Cruz: I'm voting for Trump

[bigheadfred]

Your premise is that the Iraq was was unwinnable.  I dispute that.

We had many options to 'win' Iraq, but we chose not to do so.  At the very start of the war, I already had espoused ideas on how to secure a stable postwar Iraq.  And the key was to split the country into three states in a federal republic, like the US. 

For Iraq has three groups that compete with each other (Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites).  Give each a state and they could have lived as they liked, pooling together for defense and pork-barrel projects funded by oil revenue/taxes.

But instead, we chose a parliamentary system, where the most populous group could dominant over the others.  And that sparked the Sunni terror attacks, as they had been the previous top-dogs and didn't like their former 'serfs' lording over them.

I saw that at the start.  I saw it during our time there.  And it's still applicable today.  There will be no peace until those three groups can feel free to live as they would like in a territory where they feel safe to do so.

We just chose to ignore it.

I can agree with some of that. The question I want answered was WHY they chose to ignore it? For me that illegitimizes any so-called good. We were there long enough. We poured enough resources in to make it happen.

[Norm Lenhart]

I have to admit that is a close second to bullie puppies

Oh and I'll see your herd and raise you...
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/wallpaper/animals/photos/your-puppy-pictures/basset-hound-howard/

[INVAR]

Everything you wrote is false.

Saddam embraced Islamists, giving them the land and funds to run training camps.  He paid the families of suicide bombers for their terror.

He did not keep Iraq stable.  He terrorized Iraq, making it ripe for revolts.  Shiites and Kurds both did so in the short time between the 1st and 2nd Gulf wars.

ISIS is not in control of Iraq.  It occupies parts and is being slowly pushed out.

And ISIS was borne out of the conflict in Syria... or more precisely, the lack of support (ie: funds) to the free Syrian Amry when they first broke with Assad.  They were a competent fighting force that had access to eager recruits, but no source/money for new military equipment needed to fight.

By the time the West moved, they had been broken.  And the monies to fight were coming from Islamist sources.

Not much difference in philosophy between these Trump supporters and your average Code Pink/Ron Paul Mob Zombie is there?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Boy really sounds like the mob that ran FR 2006ish or so. Tried to get their daddy JimRob to ban anyone who disagreed on the war. I remember that time period and some of you. I haven't forgotten.

Ironic...

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

What is buried in the 9-11 report?
 

There are 28 unreleased pages detailing Saudi Arabian connections to the incidents of 9/11. The Bush Administration buried them. Darrell Castle has been called a "troofer" for wanting them released. (not for wild-eyed conspiracy theories, just wanting those pages of the report released).

[Smokin Joe]

It's not our job to be world police. The only justification for war is if we are attacked.

Or, if we are bound by treaty agreement to come to the aid of an ally who is attacked.

I agree, we aren't Constitutionally authorized to be 'world police'.

[aligncare]

25 pages of 13 people repeating various iterations of "I'm not budging."

Really? I didn't know that. After hearing 125,000 repetitions on every board of this forum from the same 13 people, I was still in the dark. Who knew? Sheesh!

Honestly, we get it, you 13 people – you're not going to vote for Donald Trump.

(What did y'all get, a set of shiny new virtues for Christmas and can't help showing them off?)

[roamer_1]

I win.

Sorry, not if it's below zero....

[Smokin Joe]

25 pages of 13 people repeating various iterations of "I'm not budging."

Really? I didn't know that. After hearing 125,000 repetitions on every board of this forum from the same 13 people, I was still in the dark. Who knew? Sheesh!

Honestly, we get it, you 13 people – you're not going to vote for Donald Trump.

(What did y'all get, a set of shiny new virtues for Christmas and can't help showing them off?)

You should do that in your litter box! Bad Kitty!

P.S. If you are "hearing voices" while reading these posts, I suggest you turn the teevee/radio/stereo down, don't play Judas Priest backwards at 78 RPM, and seek professional help.

(this post was made in silence, with the audio set to zero)

[Norm Lenhart]

25 pages of 13 people repeating various iterations of "I'm not budging."

Really? I didn't know that. After hearing 125,000 repetitions on every board of this forum from the same 13 people, I was still in the dark. Who knew? Sheesh!

Honestly, we get it, you 13 people – you're not going to vote for Donald Trump.

(What did y'all get, a set of shiny new virtues for Christmas and can't help showing them off?)

If you 'got it', you'd shut up, go back to your specially created safe space and stop instigating us. Your purpose is to go to FR, plan your trolling and come here and carry it out.

WE 'got it'.

[madmaximus]

Not much difference in philosophy between these Trump supporters and your average Code Pink/Ron Paul Mob Zombie is there?

I am no Trump supporter. I am no Bush-lover either. I opposed the Iraq War(The 21st century Vietnam) from day one. There were no WMDs, as I suspected from day one. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and posed no threat to us. Bush lied, so he can finish up Daddy's business and appease their Saudi masters.

[Norm Lenhart]

Sorry, not if it's below zero....

The fine and noble Basset warms all hearts. So nothing near a basset ever falls below zero. The heat of joy they bring melts all ;)

[madmaximus]

Boy really sounds like the mob that ran FR 2006ish or so. Tried to get their daddy JimRob to ban anyone who disagreed on the war. I remember that time period and some of you. I haven't forgotten.

Ironic...

Oh, yes. I remember. They went along with everything Bush did, refused to hold his feet to the fire. The same will be true with Trump, if he wins.

[aligncare]

Boy, have I been put in my place. Such brilliant repartee. I have been publicly shamed by your retorts.

"Thank you sir may I have another?"   

[roamer_1]

The fine and noble Basset warms all hearts. So nothing near a basset ever falls below zero. The heat of joy they bring melts all ;)

LOL! You're welcome to that line of thought... but just in case you find yourself in error, my pup turns into this:

[Norm Lenhart]

Boy, have I been put in my place. Such brilliant repartee. I have been publicly shamed by your retorts.

"Thank you sir may I have another?"   

Just love instigating don't you. Small man, small mind I guess.

[Norm Lenhart]

LOL! You're welcome to that line of thought... but just in case you find yourself in error, my pup turns into this:

He's cute when he's mad ;)

[Bigun]

I am no Trump supporter. I am no Bush-lover either. I opposed the Iraq War(The 21st century Vietnam) from day one. There were no WMDs, as I suspected from day one. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and posed no threat to us. Bush lied, so he can finish up Daddy's business and appease their Saudi masters.

BS!  100% USDA CHOICE GRADE A.

[Wingnut]

25 pages of 13 people repeating various iterations of "I'm not budging."

Really? I didn't know that. After hearing 125,000 repetitions on every board of this forum from the same 13 people, I was still in the dark. Who knew? Sheesh!

Honestly, we get it, you 13 people – you're not going to vote for Donald Trump.

I hear what you're saying but I just don't care.

[bigheadfred]

Boy, have I been put in my place. Such brilliant repartee. I have been publicly shamed by your retorts.

"Thank you sir may I have another?"   

heh heh heh

[Norm Lenhart]

heh heh heh

Well he did hit Ludicrous Speed running to the left some time ago so the pic is pretty applicable.

[madmaximus]

BS!  100% USDA CHOICE GRADE A.

Bushbots still in denial.

[bigheadfred]

Bushbots still in denial.

+1

[Bigun]

Bushbots still in denial.

And you STILL don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

[Frank Cannon]

I hear what you're saying but I just don't care.

I care. I care very deeply. I care so deeply I lose sleep over it.

Just what was the name of Uncle Joe's dog on Pettycoat Junction?