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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2016, 09:55:29 pm »
Likewise. Its great to have Cruz on board and his voice is needed in terms of steering the GOP and our future president (Donald Trump) on the conservative path. Cruz likely just saved his political career by recognizing the existential threat of a Hillary presidency....I'm sure it was a hard pill for him to swallow and he has shown great maturity in endorsing our nominee.

We cannot afford to lose this election...having lived through 50 years of such races...I have to say, this is easily the most important election since 1980. If Hillary Clinton walks into the White House, the world and our nation change dramatically, permanently, and in an alarmingly liberal direction...Alinsky-ite socialism becomes cemented as mainstream Dem party thought and liberalism becomes a right wing doctrine clung to by the few remaining GOP remnants. The wild extreme will be genuine conservatism and it will die a slow, steady and ugly death as its adherents dwindle to nothing.

No hyperbole here, just an assessment of how significant this single election is...and don't buy into the cop out that declares people say that same thing every four years. Which they do...but this time, they are actually correct. This one is different, if we veer Clintonian Left, there will be no coming back. So yes, sometimes you ally yourself with a Stalin to beat a Hitler...its not as morally satisfying as being rolled over by a German tank, but in the end you can't effect ANY positive change if you've been annihilated by the greater of two evils. And lets be clear, moral equivalencies cannot reasonably drawn between Hillary and Donald...she is a VASTLY greater evil.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2016, 09:58:43 pm »
Unfortunately, the time for all of that was four years ago. We did what you are suggesting four years ago when we supported Mitt Romney. It didn't work, and look around you. Everything you are saying about what will happen under a Hillary presidency is already happening under Obama, a man sinister enough to even beat Hillary at her own game. The damage is already being done. We had our chance doing it that way, and we failed.

At least Hillary is proven to be weaker and less effective than Obama.

I'll disagree with your assessment that Hillary is less effective...her complete lack of scruples make her far more dangerous than Obama IMHO. Either way, her election would cement all that Obama stood for....all that happened, as you say...these past 8 years AND validate the rising socialist movement now dominating the Dem Left. And yes, we "had our chance" and failed...and now we've been given one last opportunity to turn the ship.This time, we don't have to fail...unless our inaction itself leads to failure.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2016, 09:59:10 pm »
Ted is basically in the same place I am. Don't like many of Trump's qualities, but sometimes chemo is the preferable option to cancer.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2016, 09:59:15 pm »
...you could say my butt hurts.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2016, 09:59:36 pm »

Did my kitty's say something to offend? Or, does his mere presence engender alarm? But, how could that be? He's such a friendly kitty.

Could it be that some folks here are beginning to smell the coffee. Could it also be the realization that your NeverTrump fantasies are about to go bust?

Could it be we're feeling a little cranky today?

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2016, 10:02:28 pm »
I'll disagree with your assessment that Hillary is less effective...her complete lack of scruples make her far more dangerous than Obama IMHO. Either way, her election would cement all that Obama stood for....all that happened, as you say...these past 8 years AND validate the rising socialist movement now dominating the Dem Left. And yes, we "had our chance" and failed...and now we've been given one last opportunity to turn the ship.This time, we don't have to fail...unless our inaction itself leads to failure.

I'd add that Hillary -- including her judicial nominations and regulatory actions -- would be building upon the 8 years of Obama judicial appointments and regulatory actions.  The percentage of progressive, activist judges will inevitably be higher under her Presidency than under Obama's, and that alone will give her a much greater ability to harm this country.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2016, 10:03:36 pm »
I would like to posit that this endorsement has come at a price for Orange Glorious...as referenced in  Cruz' own statement....Trump published his COMPLETE list of potential Supreme Court nominees and stated unequivocally that he will ONLY choose from that list.  I suspect THAT was the price of Cruz' endorsement.

If true, I would say well played.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2016, 10:04:47 pm »
Did my kitty's say something to offend? Or, does his mere presence engender alarm? But, how could that be? He's such a friendly kitty.

Could it be that some folks here are beginning to smell the coffee. Could it also be the realization that your NeverTrump fantasies are about to go bust?

Could it be we're feeling a little cranky today?
Nope, were just tired of your sanctimonious martyr crap.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2016, 10:05:23 pm »
Ted is basically in the same place I am. Don't like many of Trump's qualities, but sometimes chemo is the preferable option to cancer.

Yup.  His statement was entirely anti-Hillary and didn't say anything remotely positive about Trump himself, except for reporting on things Trump has claimed he will do.


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2016, 10:06:38 pm »
Did my kitty's say something to offend? Or, does his mere presence engender alarm? But, how could that be? He's such a friendly kitty.

Could it be that some folks here are beginning to smell the coffee. Could it also be the realization that your NeverTrump fantasies are about to go bust?

Could it be we're feeling a little cranky today?

Maybe you should have posted a happy puppy. Viking Kitties not a friend to most here...LOL!


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2016, 10:07:21 pm »
Congratulations to all the self-identifying pretend 'Conservatives' here for celebrating their choice of a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat Nationalist Populist for their monarch in the silly belief he is going to 'turn' this former Constitutional republic around with more overt statism and dictatorial decrees.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2016, 10:07:46 pm »
Ted is basically in the same place I am. Don't like many of Trump's qualities, but sometimes chemo is the preferable option to cancer.

Most of us feel the same...but I will add that I detest him but it won't be the first time I've had to vote for a person I hate.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2016, 10:09:02 pm »
Trump published his COMPLETE list of potential Supreme Court nominees and stated unequivocally that he will ONLY choose from that list.  I suspect THAT was the price of Cruz' endorsement.

BINGO!

I think many people are overlooking this.

OTOH, I wouldn't trust Trump to keep his word.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2016, 10:09:21 pm »
Align, you are not wrong...we all witnessed the lynch mob mentality and the "shouting down" that Trump voters faced here. But now is the time to follow Cruz's lead and try to welcome people...acknowledging that they had MANY justified concerns about Mr. Trump. Heck, I'm a clear supporter of him and I still have reservations...it just has taken time for some to accept that Trump with his many warts is a far better option than Clinton. Let me add that the Major, in all my interactions with him, was fair and reasonable.

I respect you Mesa, you're one of the bright and articulate ones, just like the major.

But I'm sick and tired of hearing, well "he's not as bad as Hillary." No no no. Donald Trump is and always has been far superior to Hillary and to the rest of the republican field. I recognized early on Donald Trump's incredible credentials and performance history preparing him for this job as president of the United States.

Donald Trump doesn't have to take a backseat to any of them.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2016, 10:10:48 pm »
Everyone should read Ted Cruz’s statement:

This election is unlike any other in our nation’s history. Like many other voters, I have struggled to determine the right course of action in this general election.

In Cleveland, I urged voters, “please, don’t stay home in November. Stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket whom you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”

After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

I’ve made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that’s why I have always been #NeverHillary.

Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights — free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment — the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices. We know, without a doubt, that every Clinton appointee would be a left-wing ideologue. Trump, in contrast, has promised to appoint justices “in the mold of Scalia.”

For some time, I have been seeking greater specificity on this issue, and today the Trump campaign provided that, releasing a very strong list of potential Supreme Court nominees — including Sen. Mike Lee, who would make an extraordinary justice — and making an explicit commitment to nominate only from that list. This commitment matters, and it provides a serious reason for voters to choose to support Trump.

Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

Third, energy. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s war on coal and relentless efforts to crush the oil and gas industry. Trump has said he will reduce regulations and allow the blossoming American energy renaissance to create millions of new high-paying jobs.

Fourth, immigration. Clinton would continue and even expand President Obama’s lawless executive amnesty. Trump has promised that he would revoke those illegal executive orders.

Fifth, national security. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees whom the FBI cannot vet to make sure they are not terrorists. Trump has promised to stop the deluge of unvetted refugees.

Sixth, Internet freedom. Clinton supports Obama’s plan to hand over control of the Internet to an international community of stakeholders, including Russia, China, and Iran. Just this week, Trump came out strongly against that plan, and in support of free speech online.

These are six vital issues where the candidates’ positions present a clear choice for the American people.

If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.

My conscience tells me I must do whatever I can to stop that.

We also have seen, over the past few weeks and months, a Trump campaign focusing more and more on freedom — including emphasizing school choice and the power of economic growth to lift African-Americans and Hispanics to prosperity.

Finally, after eight years of a lawless Obama administration, targeting and persecuting those disfavored by the administration, fidelity to the rule of law has never been more important.

The Supreme Court will be critical in preserving the rule of law. And, if the next administration fails to honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I hope that Republicans and Democrats will stand united in protecting our fundamental liberties.

Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way.

A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2016, 10:13:26 pm »
WTH are you talking about no one has touched this thread

Sorry about that. The context of my post wasn't made clear. I think I cleared it up above. cheers!


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2016, 10:17:24 pm »
Spot on post!!!  Howdy @Mesaclone glad to see you are still around!!   888high58888

Thanks for your comments, Flower! I'm like a bad penny, just keep coming back.

Decided it was best to avoid the bitter back and forth with the NeverTrump bunch...the reasonable ones needed time to make up their own minds, and then crazies were simply shouting everyone down. Discussion had become pointless...though I admit I've missed the banter to an extent. I've been on the road a lot lately with my bomb dog...not as motivated to post on message boards while I'm TDY in some dank hotel room in Los Angeles, Seattle and/or Las Vegas.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2016, 10:18:29 pm »
Cruz like most of the GOP is coming around to the realization that Trump is going to lose, the only question is how big.

Yeah that's the ticket...Cruz waited until he was sure Trump was gonna lose before endorsing him.






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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2016, 10:18:52 pm »
Battle lines being defined. Bush comes out saying he will vote for Hillary Rodham. Cruz comes out with a vote for Trump.

This is the entrenched establishment vs. the rebel upstarts. Old blood against new blood. Time to choose a side like Ted did.

Are you for Trump? Or are you for Hillary? You can stand on the sidelines if you want to, but this is the decision everyone else is making.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2016, 10:18:54 pm »
I would like to posit that this endorsement has come at a price for Orange Glorious...as referenced in  Cruz' own statement....Trump published his COMPLETE list of potential Supreme Court nominees and stated unequivocally that he will ONLY choose from that list.  I suspect THAT was the price of Cruz' endorsement.

If true, I would say well played.

As a Trump guy, I'm fine with that deal. Though I never seriously doubted he'd pick form the list anyway...also...he added Lee to the list at Cruz's request, and that's a good thing as well.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2016, 10:20:03 pm »
Most of us feel the same...but I will add that I detest him but it won't be the first time I've had to vote for a person I hate.

HATE, is a little strong.

I know this sounds unpalatable to many. I don't even like it myself. But, like him or not, I think Trump is simply the best man for the job.

And if he is a little "slimy", that only adds to his resume' in my opinion. Washington D.C. is so corrupt and so overrun with criminals and scammers, I think it will take someone like Trump even to understand what it is they are doing. That is precisely why they fear him so much.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2016, 10:20:56 pm »
Maybe you should have posted a happy puppy. Viking Kitties not a friend to most here...LOL!

LOL. Thanks for the reminder. Yes, we do want to provide as much comfort and "safe space" to the village of the banned from Free Republic. Their feelings might get hurt, you know. I should be mindful of that. Wait a minute, I was reminded of that quite frequently by administration here. Don't upset the disgruntled Cruz supporters I was told.

After all Donald Trump beat Ted Cruz in the presidential primary. How unfair was that?

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2016, 10:23:10 pm »
Congratulations to all the self-identifying pretend 'Conservatives' here for celebrating their choice of a lifelong Liberal NY Democrat Nationalist Populist for their monarch in the silly belief he is going to 'turn' this former Constitutional republic around with more overt statism and dictatorial decrees.

The consequences shall be theirs, and theirs alone.

Setting aside the childish need to call others "pretend" conservatives...a demonstrably false assertion...we are ALL responsible for what we do and do not do in this election. In that sense, you are right.

As for your assignment of responsibility to Trump voters....fair enough...as long as you acknowledge that a Hillary win's consequences are YOURS and yours alone in the same sense...not belonging to the rest of us who DID support the GOP nominee. In this kind of election, no choice gets to escape responsibility...and that applies to inaction and 3rd party voting as much as to active participation. You don't get to pull a Pontius Pilate because you "leave it others" to carry out the sentence.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2016, 10:24:55 pm »
LOL. Thanks for the reminder. Yes, we do want to provide as much comfort and "safe space" to the village of the banned from Free Republic. Their feelings might get hurt, you know. I should be mindful of that. Wait a minute, I was reminded of that quite frequently by administration here. Don't upset the disgruntled Cruz supporters I was told.

After all Donald Trump beat Ted Cruz in the presidential primary. How unfair was that?

What an utterly classless thing to write.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2016, 10:25:46 pm »
LOL. Thanks for the reminder. Yes, we do want to provide as much comfort and "safe space" to the village of the banned from Free Republic. Their feelings might get hurt, you know. I should be mindful of that. Wait a minute, I was reminded of that quite frequently by administration here. Don't upset the disgruntled Cruz supporters I was told.

After all Donald Trump beat Ted Cruz in the presidential primary. How unfair was that?

Both you and *cold one* need to knock it off....or you can both go back to FR where you continue to insult TBR.
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