Wash, Reince, and Repeat After Me: Take This Party and Shove It

[Oceander]

It was okay to support the Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney but now, abandon the party, we get it.

You don't get jack.  It was ok to support them because they were actual Republicans, not liberals in sheep's clothing.  Trump is a liberal in sheep's clothing, conning the desperate gullible masses.  Wake up.

[TomSea]

Why blame Reince? He allowed Democracy.

Steve Deace should trade in his Iowa cornfields for Pyongyang if he doesn't like it.

[sneakypete]

You don't get jack.  It was ok to support them because they were actual Republicans, not liberals in sheep's clothing.  Trump is a liberal in sheep's clothing, conning the desperate gullible masses.  Wake up.

@Oceander

In WHAT alternate reality are the  Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney anything BUT Big Government Leftists?

If  you consider ANY of them to be even mildly conservative,one of us doesn't understand the political meaning of the word.

[Silver Pines]

Why blame Reince? He allowed Democracy.

Steve Deace should trade in his Iowa cornfields for Pyongyang if he doesn't like it.

@TomSea

This is a Constitutional republic, not a populist democracy, no matter how badly Trump supporters might wish otherwise.

Your master is the only one who's voiced approval of North Korea and its murderous leader.

[Taxcontrol]

It was okay to support the Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney but now, abandon the party, we get it.

No, you don't get it.  The party has moved so far to the left with Trump that it no longer resembles the party of Reagan.  I am not and never have been a Republican.  I have always been a conservative.  Since the party is no longer supporting conservative values or candidates, it is de facto, no longer conservative. 

That is why after 20 years of working for the GOP, manning phones, voter drives, even serving as a precinct captain, I changed my party affiliation to the Constitution party. 

[DB]

Why blame Reince? He allowed Democracy.

Steve Deace should trade in his Iowa cornfields for Pyongyang if he doesn't like it.

That pretty ironic... If someone doesn't like the candidates they should move to Pyongyang you say... It is your attitude that creates places like Pyongyang genius.

[Oceander]

@Oceander

In WHAT alternate reality are the  Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney anything BUT Big Government Leftists?

If  you consider ANY of them to be even mildly conservative,one of us doesn't understand the political meaning of the word.

Perhaps you need to pick up a dictionary ??

[sneakypete]

Perhaps you need to pick up a dictionary ??

@Oceander

And maybe you should find someone to explain the meanings of words to you?

That pack of conniving thieves are about as close to being conservatives as Bubbette! is to the being a Flying Nun.

[musiclady]

@Oceander

And maybe you should find someone to explain the meanings of words to you?

That pack of conniving thieves are about as close to being conservatives as Bubbette! is to the being a Flying Nun.

Conservatives have always been only a faction of the Republican party.  It is possible to be a Republican and not be a Conservative, and historically, I would say the majority of Republicans have not been Conservative.

Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney were all Republicans.

Trump is a Democrat, whose ideology is identical to Hillary's.  That is not true of the aforementioned Republicans.

The distinction is important, if one is being historically accurate.

[jpsb]

At some point voting for the lesser evil is simply voting for evil. Evil will win the day either way. That point has been reached. I'm not voting for evil and therefore what follows will not have been given its authority by my vote.

If you are inclined to vote conservative and normally vote R then by not voting you are helping elect Hillary Clinton. Hillary promises to grant amnesty to the illegals in her first 100 days. For that reason alone I urge you to vote Trump. Hillary will also not secure our southern border and will continue the Obama policy of bringing in hundreds of thousands rapefugees. She will also appoint Marxist globalists to the courts. Do you really want Hillary appointing Justice Scala's replacement?
Even Ted Cruz the defacto leader of the #NeverTrump movement has seen the light and endorsed Donald Trump. The life of the republic is on the line, this not the time to go wobbly and let a Clinton back into the White House.

[jpsb]

Because we all know the New York Billionaire who rents politicians and decided to become one isn't one of those elites he hobnobs with, that's all just for show.

He's just a poor outsider who grew up splitting rails and living in a log cabin reading by fire light.

 

Well I certainly hope you will enjoy Hillary as POTUS since you are so keen to see her get elected. It is either Hillary or Trump.  Voting third party this cycle with so much on the line is not a reasonable nor an adult thing to do. For the reasons I've stated earlier in this thread. And oh in case you missed it Ted Cruz endorsed Trump and Ted Cruz will be voting for Trump.

[musiclady]

Well I certainly hope you will enjoy Hillary as POTUS since you are so keen to see her get elected. It is either Hillary or Trump.  Voting third party this cycle with so much on the line is not a reasonable nor an adult thing to do. For the reasons I've stated earlier in this thread. And oh in case you missed it Ted Cruz endorsed Trump and Ted Cruz will be voting for Trump.

That is an outright LIE that is forbidden on this forum.

You're clearly new to the place, so maybe you don't know and can edit this stupid post, but there is not ONE person on TBR who wants Hillary to be elected, and your making that accusation indicates that you are dishonest.

@jpsb

[sneakypete]

Conservatives have always been only a faction of the Republican party.  It is possible to be a Republican and not be a Conservative, and historically, I would say the majority of Republicans have not been Conservative.

Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney were all Republicans.<<

True,but I believe the it is generally accepted these days that the alleged Republican Party is the party of conservatives,which as you pointed out is a sick joke. Not a single one of the liars and charlatans you named is even remotely conservative. They are all Big Government One World Order Fascists. Which of course means that they are traitors to America.

>>Trump is a Democrat, whose ideology is identical to Hillary's.  That is not true of the aforementioned Republicans.<<

WRONG! They are in fact,interchangeable because the governmental philosophy of both is for Big Government RULE and a One World Government that makes it safe for the ruling class to conduct business in such as way as to profit with no risk.


 Likewise the Dim Party is identified as the "party of liberals" by most these days,and nothing could possibly be further from the truth. They are the part of Left-Wing Facist Dictatorship,which is about as far from "liberal" as it is possible to get.

Kinda ironic that the Dims identify themselves as liberals  since to everyone but the uneducated being a "liberal" in the United States means being politically conservative because our Founding Fathers were "liberals" in the true sense of the word.

Also kinda ironic that the alleged Republicans of today pretend to be conservative,when the truth is they are Fascists that would have been completely at home under the dictatorship of King George of England,and were as giddy as schoolgirls under the command of King Jorge of Texas by way on Connecticut.

To quote that great Dim thinker Goober Gore,"Whut iz spossta be up is doawn,and whut iz spossta be doawn iz up!"

Not that any of it really matters at this point since the Dims of today and the alleged Republicans of today are the same critter that just play bait and switch on the ignorant voters.

I used to think that the only thing that can save America would be a new party,but I have now evolved to the point,OR the country has DEVOLVED to the point where what we need to survive is TWO new parties,with both of them putting the preservation of America first always.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

All true,but I believe the it is generally accepted these days that the alleged Republican Party is the party of conservatives,which as you pointed out is a sick joke.

Likewise the Dim Party is identified as the "party of liberals" by most these days,and nothing could possibly be further from the truth. They are the part of Left-Wing Facist Dictatorship,which is about as far from "liberal" as it is possible to get.

Kinda ironic that the Dims identify themselves as liberals  since to everyone but the uneducated being a "liberal" in the United States means being politically conservative because our Founding Fathers were "liberals" in the true sense of the word.

Also kinda ironic that the alleged Republicans of today pretend to be conservative,when the truth is they are Fascists that would have been completely at home under the dictatorship of King George of England,and were as giddy as schoolgirls under the command of King Jorge of Texas by way on Connecticut.

To quote that great Dim thinker Goober Gore,"Whut iz spossta be up is doawn,and whut iz spossta be doawn iz up!"

Not that any of it really matters at this point since the Dims of today and the alleged Republicans of today are the same critter that just play bait and switch on the ignorant voters.

I used to think that the only thing that can save America would be a new party,but I have now evolved to the point,OR the country has DEVOLVED to the point where what we need to survive is TWO new parties,with both of them putting the preservation of America first always.

I disagree that the Republican party has ever been the "party of conservatives."  They have only been the place where conservatives could find a level of agreement.

And I'm not really sure it has devolved so much.  Who was more liberal, JFK or Nelson Rockefeller?  Who was more conservative?  Debatable, right?

What I see is that the number of principled conservatives in the Republican party has diminished in the past 10 or so years.  We have sent many representatives to DC who seemed to be principled but who change rapidly when they become part of the Washington cesspool.

What has happened, IMO, is that with this particular nomination, the blurry line that used to be there has been scrubbed away, and now, at the national level, there IS no distinction.

I know you disagree, but there was a qualitative difference between George W. Bush and both algor and jFkerry.  There was a difference between McCain and Romney (as bad a candidate as they both were) and Obama.

Now there is NO difference whatsoever between Trump and Hillary.......... which is why so many of us who were hanging on in the Republican party have now left it.

This year is different.

[XenaLee]

I disagree that the Republican party has ever been the "party of conservatives."  They have only been the place where conservatives could find a level of agreement.

And I'm not really sure it has devolved so much.  Who was more liberal, JFK or Nelson Rockefeller?  Who was more conservative?  Debatable, right?

What I see is that the number of principled conservatives in the Republican party has diminished in the past 10 or so years.  We have sent many representatives to DC who seemed to be principled but who change rapidly when they become part of the Washington cesspool.

What has happened, IMO, is that with this particular nomination, the blurry line that used to be there has been scrubbed away, and now, at the national level, there IS no distinction.

I know you disagree, but there was a qualitative difference between George W. Bush and both algor and jFkerry.  There was a difference between McCain and Romney (as bad a candidate as they both were) and Obama.

Now there is NO difference whatsoever between Trump and Hillary.......... which is why so many of us who were hanging on in the Republican party have now left it.

This year is different.

This year....unlike all previous years....has been a "chaff from the wheat" year.

I know that's got to be a good thing somehow....but right now, I'm just not feelin it. 

[XenaLee]

Conservatives have always been only a faction of the Republican party.  It is possible to be a Republican and not be a Conservative, and historically, I would say the majority of Republicans have not been Conservative.

Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney were all Republicans.

Trump is a Democrat, whose ideology is identical to Hillary's.  That is not true of the aforementioned Republicans.

The distinction is important, if one is being historically accurate.

And a Democrat whose own family are liberal Democrats, which explains why they couldn't vote for Trump in the primary.  Not only were they not organized enough (re: his claim to hire only the brightest and the best) to have registered Republican in time....but they probably just were not inclined to change their registration over to Republican.....not even for dear olde dad (re: his ruse of being a Republican).

[musiclady]

This year....unlike all previous years....has been a "chaff from the wheat" year.

I know that's got to be a good thing somehow....but right now, I'm just not feelin it.

I'm not feelin it either.  I can't see the good to come out of this disaster............ not yet, at least.

[musiclady]

And a Democrat whose own family are liberal Democrats, which explains why they couldn't vote for Trump in the primary.  Not only were they not organized enough (re: his claim to hire only the brightest and the best) to have registered Republican in time....but they probably just were not inclined to change their registration over to Republican.....not even for dear olde dad (re: his ruse of being a Republican).

Well, the kiddos have made it abundantly clear even since Daddy's nomination that they are STILL Democrats.

Perhaps not bright enough to register as Republicans in time to vote for the Debauched Dad, but more probably not inclined to change their party affiliation and give up their Democrat roots.

[sneakypete]

@musiclady

Now there is NO difference whatsoever between Trump and Hillary.......... which is why so many of us who were hanging on in the Republican party have now left it.

This year is different.

<<

I do agree with the above quote. The "boil" known as national politics in the US has now come to a head. I can't begin go guess which side will win at this point,but there WILL be a change in the near (6 to 8 years) future . We will either be back on a Constitutional footing with equal rights AND OBLIGATIONS for all,or our form of government will be dissolved and replaced by World Wide Government,Inc.

Either way,there is going to be death and destruction along the way because you can NOT have a people living free while still being under the total domination of their employeers/government. Something has to give.

[INVAR]

Conservatives have always been only a faction of the Republican party.  It is possible to be a Republican and not be a Conservative, and historically, I would say the majority of Republicans have not been Conservative.

This is exactly correct.  The GOP has never really been a Conservative party.  Reagan is the one who, after Goldwater's failure, gave Conservatism a prominent seat in their party.

But it has always been the GOP Establishment, and the same oligarchy we have today - the Doles, the Bushes etc., that HATED Reagan and everything he stood for.  They made it no secret they loathed principled Conservatives, were embarrassed by us.  They made it no secret they wanted us gone from their midst and *wished* us to either shut up and just vote for the party or - as Mitch McConnell said "Punch them in the nose".

I'm done with the GOP, permanently.  Despite where I think we have already arrived as a nation - it's time to build another Conservative home in another party that is not corrupted by the kleptocratic oligarchy in DC.  At minimum it will be needed to rebuild what is left of the country from the ashes and it cannot be tainted in any manner from Mordor on the Potomac.

At this point, if anyone claims to be Conservative and is running as a Republican - they are either lying, or will soon have their stated principles compromised by the party and the leadership as they seek position and influence as a career politician.

[musiclady]

<<

I do agree with the above quote. The "boil" known as national politics in the US has now come to a head. I can't begin go guess which side will win at this point,but there WILL be a change in the near (6 to 8 years) . We will either be back on a Constitutional footing with equal rights AND OBLIGATIONS for all,or our form of government will be dissolved and replaced by World Wide Government,Inc.

Either way,there is going to be death and destruction along the way because you can NOT have a people living free while still being under the total domination of their employeers/government. Something has to give.

Couldn't agree more.

This government largesse has got to come to an end some way.  Either by a responsible pull back to small government Constitutional principles, or because we're all going to crash and burn because of the utter irresponsibility of the last 30 or more years.

[sneakypete]

Well, the kiddos have made it abundantly clear even since Daddy's nomination that they are STILL Democrats.

Perhaps not bright enough to register as Republicans in time to vote for the Debauched Dad, but more probably not inclined to change their party affiliation and give up their Democrat roots.

@musiclady

HEY! There are parties and other social events to be invited to and attend with the other elites in their social classes!  There may even be future wives and husbands they could meet and marry that would increase the family fortune and power.  Being identified as Republicans within those circles is akin to being identified as a whore in a nunnery. You can't really expect them to give up on socializing with their trust fund friends,can you?

Give them a break,will ya?

[musiclady]

@musiclady

HEY! There are parties and other social events to be invited to and attend with the other elites in their social classes!  There may even be future wives and husbands they could meet and marry that would increase the family fortune and power.  Being identified as Republicans within those circles is akin to being identified as a whore in a nunnery. You can't really expect them to give up on socializing with their trust fund friends,can you?

Give them a break,will ya?

You make very good points.  Their ample social circle would collapse and even disappear if they had to admit they were registered Republicans.

That would never do...... 

[INVAR]

If you are inclined to vote conservative and normally vote R then by not voting you are helping elect Hillary Clinton.

You can shove that crap back up your hind end there pal.  The truth is YOU elected Hillary Clinton the moment you decided to make a lifelong megalomaniac NYC Liberal Democrat your prince.

The life of the republic is on the line, this not the time to go wobbly and let a Clinton back into the White House.

Then you shouldn't have supported a lifelong NY liberal Democrat that funded and campaigned for the Clintons, the Schumers, the DeBlasios.

Well I certainly hope you will enjoy Hillary as POTUS since you are so keen to see her get elected. It is either Hillary or Trump. 

POUND SAND.

It's either a NYC Liberal Alinsky Democrat or a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat.  You go ahead and decide which tyrant you want to rule you.  We have other plans.

Voting third party this cycle with so much on the line is not a reasonable nor an adult thing to do.

Well, we are voting third party, but like all Statist tyrants - you people hate liberty being exercised by anyone but yourselves.

[jpsb]

You can shove that crap back up your hind end there pal.  The truth is YOU elected Hillary Clinton the moment you decided to make a lifelong megalomaniac NYC Liberal Democrat your prince.

Then you shouldn't have supported a lifelong NY liberal Democrat that funded and campaigned for the Clintons, the Schumers, the DeBlasios.

POUND SAND.

It's either a NYC Liberal Alinsky Democrat or a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat.  You go ahead and decide which tyrant you want to rule you.  We have other plans.

Well, we are voting third party, but like all Statist tyrants - you people hate liberty being exercised by anyone but yourselves.

On the important issues facing the country in 2016 Trump was the MOST CONSERVATIVE candidate running.  All the other GOP candidates including Ted Cruz were open borders globalists. You can lie and call Trump a NY liberal all day long but that does not make it true. Trump voted R in every election except 2004, in 2004 I really did not want to vote for Bush, but as an adult I just could not help John Kerry by wasting my vote on some totally irreverent third party.