Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson

[kartographer]

Excellent article.  I shared it with some people today who are reluctantly voting for Trump (lessor of 2 evils.)

[unknown]

Well I'll keep asking and it's your choice to participate or avoid. But if you are intent on hypocritically pushing Trump and calling us hillary supporters when you refused to vote for Romney, then lurkers will have your two faced behavior  pointed out.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. You have ears but do not hear.

[Norm Lenhart]

I wouldn't expect you to understand. You have ears but do not hear.

Please. Answer the questions and make your points. I am totally willing to consider your explanations for polar opposites and impossibilities. I'm sure many would love to understand the logic of how one is a hillary supporter for not voting Trump, but was not an Obama supporter for not voting Romney...

Of how one is a Christian by opposing 2000 year old Christian teachings...

Of how one is a conservative by empowering those working against conservatism.

[roamer_1]

Interesting. I have found that to be just the opposite. Many Conservative Christians that I KNOW are actively supporting and voting for Trump, and some that are voting for Castle; and NONE would even think of voting Clinton.

But ok..

Then perhaps you and yours are not as conservative as you think...

[kartographer]

[Chosen Daughter]

It makes perfect sense to me - Erickson is downplaying the pressure put upon Christians to vote for Trump. If God wants him in there, God can put him in there, regardless of me, or you, or Erickson soiling our values to vote for him.

He is not saying that God is doing ANYTHING. Note the IF. It's a simple if/then statement. And it is posed against those who would have us think that the lesser evil is God's choice.

I wasn't even going to click on this thread.  I am glad I did.  I am in complete agreement.

[Suppressed]

Don't take it up with me, dude. Erick Erichson wrote the following:

"...If God wants Trump in the White House, he does not need my vote or a violation of my conscience to get Trump there. To think otherwise is to think God is not God."

The story is excerpted.

I tried to leave in relevant portions, buy I had to cut.  Context is lost...please see full piece for context of that.

[Silver Pines]

I wouldn't expect you to understand. You have ears but do not hear.

@unknown

Has Trump sold off his strip clubs yet?  If not, how can you justify Christians supporting him?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The story is excerpted.

I tried to leave in relevant portions, buy I had to cut.  Context is lost...please see full piece for context of that.

Ok, granted. The whole idea that God involves himself in our elections is simply ridiculous either way.

[skeeter]

He probably voted for Obama........

This guy supports Trump with a passion.  There's not a conservative bone in his body.

I'd have to disagree, ML. While I disagree with Unknown's conclusions going into this election he's the one prominent Trump enthusiast on this board that shows some semblance of reasonableness and obviously earnestly wants to engage rather than simply snark.

As far as the article is concerned, spirituality aside its amazing to me how Trump the candidate has morphed from the outsider rebel who's gonna shake things up into just another John McCain or Bob Dole type candidate with an ill-mannered twist.

I see no difference between him and they, so the question is do I want my vote to be embezzled yet again, or is it time to make a stand?

[Idiot]

@unknown

Has Trump sold off his strip clubs yet?  If not, how can you justify Christians supporting him?

I had no idea he owned strip clubs....have a link?
@CatherineofAragon

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I had no idea he owned strip clubs....have a link?
@CatherineofAragon

I don't know about strip clubs. There was something called "Trump escorts" which had one of his condos as it's address. No direct link I could find though between Trump and Trump escorts, other than the name. Although you would think he would be able to sue if he didn't like the association.

[Silver Pines]

I had no idea he owned strip clubs....have a link?
@CatherineofAragon

@mrpotatohead

Here are a couple for you...

http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2016/02/28/meet-donald-trump-the-king-of-sleaze-n2126157

http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-strip-clubs-pledges-enforce-anti-obscenity-laws-porn-167516/

[Silver Pines]

I don't know about strip clubs. There was something called "Trump escorts" which had one of his condos as it's address. No direct link I could find though between Trump and Trump escorts, other than the name. Although you would think he would be able to sue if he didn't like the association.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I forgot about the escort service...I don't think anyone really looked into it enough to find out if he was directly associated.

Here are a couple of links about the strip clubs:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-strip-clubs-pledges-enforce-anti-obscenity-laws-porn-167516/

http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2016/02/28/meet-donald-trump-the-king-of-sleaze-n2126157

[unknown]

BEST ELECTION YEAR - EVER!!

I gotta find a meme for that.

[Silver Pines]

BEST ELECTION YEAR - EVER!!

I gotta find a meme for that.

@unknown

Or instead of spamming in an effort to avoid a direct question, you could just give me an answer.

Again---has Trump sold off his strip clubs?  If not, how can you justify Christians supporting him?

[unknown]

@unknown

Or instead of spamming in an effort to avoid a direct question, you could just give me an answer.

Again---has Trump sold off his strip clubs?  If not, how can you justify Christians supporting him?

When did Trump stop beating his wife?

[unknown]

One of those two will win the election and be President of the United States. That's it.

You find yourself and family in the ghetto, surrounded by a "peaceful protest." You aren't real sure who you got there. Two people tell you they will help you and family out of the ghetto. One of those two will definitely drag you deeper into the ghetto. The other one, may or may not, and if he does lead you out of the ghetto, it may with a crooked path not straight, and he may not get you all the way out, but only started. You aren't deciding on which one is Jesus Christ, you aren't even voting on an elder. Just one of the two which is standing before you, you decide to get you and your family out of the ghetto surrounded by "peaceful protestors." (Oh and yea, there is another way, that way is to pick one the bystanders which you know has no way of actually getting picked, it isn't allowed, sorry.)

[Silver Pines]

When did Trump stop beating his wife?

@unknown

Well, I haven't heard of any such allegations; maybe as a diehard Trumper, you have.  Either way, your response is nonsensical. It's a fact that Trump owns strip clubs.  Has he sold them off?  If not, how do you justify Christians supporting him?  How would you explain to a Christian, who might be concerned about backing a strip club owner, why he should do so?

[beandog]

When did Trump stop beating his wife?

Hopefully he quit doing it after wife number 1. 

[Jazzhead]

One of those two will win the election and be President of the United States. That's it.

If you say so, but that just tells me that there's no need for me to validate either one, because there's no difference between ox shit and cow shit.  I will instead participate in this election in the most meaningful way I know  - voting down-ballot GOP,  and Gary Johnson for President.   And convincing as many friends, neighbors,  colleagues and family members as I can to do the same.     

[Suppressed]

If you say so, but that just tells me that there's no need for me to validate either one, because there's no difference between ox shit and cow shit.  I will instead participate in this election in the most meaningful way I know  - voting down-ballot GOP,  and Gary Johnson for President.   And convincing as many friends, neighbors,  colleagues and family members as I can to do the same.   

The chance of one vote changing the election result is infinitesimal.  The effect a vote can have by selecting a third-party candidate is also vanishingly tiny, yet it's likelihood of being relevant (getting attention by showing a vote that could have been won by a better candidate) is greater than the former case.  Therefore, a vote for a third-party is quite rational.

[kartographer]

BEST ELECTION YEAR - EVER!!

I gotta find a meme for that.

[Chosen Daughter]

Modified to remove article already in debate.

ELECTION 2016

A President Trump to damage the church?

Exclusive: Scott Morefield zings Erick Erickson over claims in latest column

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/a-president-trump-to-damage-the-church/#BYjZVfRsgUq2veqv.99

History repeating itself?

Hitler and the Protestants
http://spindleworks.com/library/peet/german.htm


Excerpt:


When Hitler turned his attention to the Protestants, he faced a different situation. How does one deal with at least twenty-eight different church federations? The national assembly of these churches had no real authority, and the Protestants had neither archbishop nor pope. Hitler therefore decided to create such a figure. He suggested that the Protestant churches elect or appoint a national bishop who would sit in the religious affairs department (the Ministry of Cults) of the national government.

 The reaction of some German church leaders was ecstatic, witness this message:


 Through God's intercession, our beloved German Fatherland has experienced a mighty exaltation. In this turning point in history we hear, as faithful evangelical Christians, the call of God to a closing of ranks and a return, the call also for a single German Evangelical Church   ....   The Confessions are its unalterable basis   ....   A national bishop of the Lutheran confession stands at its head   ....   Christ comes again and brings an eternal completion in the majesty of His Kingdom. [2]

 Although not all Protestants voiced these sentiments, a general feeling of elation grew in the Protestant churches. Miracles seemed to be happening. The Protestants were asked once again to play a role in the
affairs of the nation. They were even offered a chance to form a national, unified church. Could all this simply be coincidence? It seemed to be the hand of God at work in Germany. He was calling the churches back to their old place and task in the midst of the nation.

 The Fuehrer was popular. He was giving work to the millions of unemployed. The country was picking up rapidly. Nationalism was growing. Leftists were being suppressed, Surely the Lord was with such a man as Adolf Hitler! Provincial churches united and synod after synod voiced its approval of a national church under one bishop. Few, very few people realized that all was not well. Fewer still issued warnings.

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