Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, by Erick Erickson

[geronl]

I think anyone voting for Trump might as well vote for Hillary. They are surrendering their soul to Lucifer either way.

[kevindavis007]

It's a dumb argument.  That logic would mean that none of us really needed to vote for Reagan either, because if God wanted him in there, he didn't need my vote.

I think God leaves elections up to us.

 

[XenaLee]

I would think God would want to get the person in there most likely to restrict abortion in there? Punishing America by killing babies... sound like an a-hole to me?

You can call God an a-hole at your own peril.  I ain't touchin it!  Let's just say...that compared to God's intellect, you're a gnat.   

[Victoria33]

Reconsidering and coming to the same conclusion.  Very good.

@RAT Patrol

This article is excellent and all Christians should read it before determining which candidate to choose for president.  If we follow Christian principles, we vote for neither and leave it to God to choose which one.  This is the solution for Christians and is what I will do.  I sent this article to some fellow Christians.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Well, I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'll be voting for Trump even though he has not shot of winning in Illinois.

Flaming you would cut any legitimacy out from under a Vote My Conscience because I can't stand Trumper. If you're not allowed to own your conscience no one else who claims to own the moral high ground has any business beating you over the head with theirs.

Jesus isn't on the ballot.
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staff/phyllis-schlafly-2012-somebody-going-be-elected-and-jesus-not-ballot




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[unknown]

It's a dumb argument.  That logic would mean that none of us really needed to vote for Reagan either, because if God wanted him in there, he didn't need my vote.

I think God leaves elections up to us.

 

People that use that argument obviously do not realize that God uses men and other means to perform His objective. God requires us to act. To not act, is to relinquish Gods desire for us to glorify Him.

Actually, to not act, is to act. It is the act of making a choice to not act. This is similar to people making a decision to not vote for Hillary or Trump - that is a choice. Some people (even here) believe that God is only sovereign, and some people (even here) believe that we only have free will. The point being made earlier is that since God is only sovereign, we can make a choice to not act. But that is a free will choice being made, to not act. It would be more consistent as a Christian, to make the free will choice to act, and act according to His will.

I will leave open the rest of this discussion. As I know this will be fun.

[Jazzhead]

It's a dumb argument.  That logic would mean that none of us really needed to vote for Reagan either, because if God wanted him in there, he didn't need my vote.

I think God leaves elections up to us.

I agree.  Each of us needs to make a choice.   And the choice I make won't be influenced in the slightest by the "R" after Trump's name.  Trump's was a hostile takeover, and Trumpism represents everything I've opposed my entire adult life.  I'll be voting down-ballot Republican as I always have.   But as far as I'm concerned, the GOP didn't nominate a Presidential candidate this year.   

[musiclady]

I agree.  Each of us needs to make a choice.   And the choice I won't make won't be influenced in the slightest by the "R" after Trump's name.  Trump's was a hostile takeover, and Trumpism represents everything I've opposed my entire adult life.  I'll be voting down-ballot Republican as I always have.   But as far as I'm concerned, the GOP didn't nominate a Presidential candidate this year.   

You're right, of course.

There is no Republican candidate this year.

I'm voting down ticket Republican, but will vote third party on the top, and it will be the first time the R candidate has been so horrific that I felt I needed to do that.

(And I really, REALLY didn't like McCain!)

[ArneFufkin]

Erick Erickson pleasuring himself again.

Gee, what a guy.

[bilo]

Trump needs to be lambasted - Every single day - Lest anyone is left with the notion that he is in any way an acceptable choice... Being quiet about Trump is acquiescence. Acquiescence is acceptance.
Not gonna happen.

Trump has been a light on Christian hypocrisy. It's been depressing to see Christians come out in support of a candidate who has no respect for life, lacks personal character and has no understanding of the Judeo-Christian values that this country and it's govt were founded on. Christians rejected the Born Again candidate because he was "too preachy" and "too serious about his faith". Instead, they choose the crude bully who is obviously lying when he claims to be a Christian.

God may well have decided to put Trump in this position to open our eyes to how far we have fallen away from Him.

I have no one to vote for in this election that has a chance of winning and I can live with the consequences.

[bilo]

You're right, of course.

There is no Republican candidate this year.

I'm voting down ticket Republican, but will vote third party on the top, and it will be the first time the R candidate has been so horrific that I felt I needed to do that.

(And I really, REALLY didn't like McCain!)

I'm with you.

What has really bothered me though is the willingness of "moderate" Pubs to come out in support of hillary. How someone can claim to be a Pub and vote for a big govt nanny state socialist is disgusting. One thing has become clear to me as a conservative is the Pub party really only claims to represent me when it's election time and at heart most aren't all that different than the Rats. As a conservative I refuse to be treated like the Blacks are that blindly vote for the Rats. I will only support full blooded conservatives, not the wishy washy fiscal types but the fiscal and social conservatives.

[geronl]

I'm with you.

What has really bothered me though is the willingness of "moderate" Pubs to come out in support of hillary. How someone can claim to be a Pub and vote for a big govt nanny state socialist is disgusting. .

Trump and Hillary are twins in that regard

[geronl]

Trumpism represents everything I've opposed my entire adult life.   

exactly.

[roamer_1]

Trump has been a light on Christian hypocrisy. It's been depressing to see Christians come out in support of a candidate who has no respect for life, lacks personal character and has no understanding of the Judeo-Christian values that this country and it's govt were founded on. Christians rejected the Born Again candidate because he was "too preachy" and "too serious about his faith". Instead, they choose the crude bully who is obviously lying when he claims to be a Christian.

Actually, IRL, I have found it to be just the opposite. I now know ONE person who is voting for Trump. The most, at one time, was three... and the one is waffling. One.  Close enough to say that I don't know ANYONE who is compromising principle to join the Trump train. I know a handful that will vote Clinton, one that will vote Trump, and by far and away, everyone I know is looking for a different option or figuring to abstain.

That has made me quite happy - whether or not Trump, Conservative Christians that I KNOW, are not swayed away.

[unknown]

Actually, IRL, I have found it to be just the opposite. I now know ONE person who is voting for Trump. The most, at one time, was three... and the one is waffling. One.  Close enough to say that I don't know ANYONE who is compromising principle to join the Trump train. I know a handful that will vote Clinton, one that will vote Trump, and by far and away, everyone I know is looking for a different option or figuring to abstain.

That has made me quite happy - whether or not Trump, Conservative Christians that I KNOW, are not swayed away.

Interesting. I have found that to be just the opposite. Many Conservative Christians that I KNOW are actively supporting and voting for Trump, and some that are voting for Castle; and NONE would even think of voting Clinton.

But ok..

[Norm Lenhart]

Interesting. I have found that to be just the opposite. Many Conservative Christians that I KNOW are actively supporting and voting for Trump, and some that are voting for Castle; and NONE would even think of voting Clinton.

But ok..

Then something is amiss because conservatives and Christians don't vote for people that stand against the principles of conservatism or Christianity. What appears to be the case is that you know people lying to you about their beliefs.

Because it is simply not credible to believe an actual believer in Christ would vote for a man that is OK with a woman rotting in jail over her Christian faith for opposing homosexual 'marriage', nor is it credible to believe a conservative would support a man who has violated on and campaigned against conservative principle.

That would be as absurd as a person who wouldn't vote for Romney telling someone who refused that he had to vote Trump because the Dem was worse.

Wouldn't you agree?

[unknown]

Then something is amiss because conservatives and Christians don't vote for people that stand against the principles of conservatism or Christianity. What appears to be the case is that you know people lying to you about their beliefs.

Because it is simply not credible to believe an actual believer in Christ would vote for a man that is OK with a woman rotting in jail over her Christian faith for opposing homosexual 'marriage', nor is it credible to believe a conservative would support a man who has violated on and campaigned against conservative principle.

That would be as absurd as a person who wouldn't vote for Romney telling someone who refused that he had to vote Trump because the Dem was worse.

Wouldn't you agree?

"Wouldn't you agree?" No.

[Norm Lenhart]

"Wouldn't you agree?" No.

And thats why your entire post is absurd. Because I defy you to find one flaw or untruth in my statements.

That aside, why ARE you still telling people that they have to vote for trump after you publicly admitted to me you did not vote for GOP candidate Romney?

[Rivergirl]

Trump's values are not America's values.  Not even close.  Not my America. 
NO to planned parenthood
NO to Kim Jung Un
NO to Putin
NO to nuclear proliferation
NO to gratuitous insult hurling
NO to attacks on everyone with whom he disagrees
NO to paying off dem politicians
NO to cheating Trump University students
NO to refusing to pay the workers at his casinos
NO to keeping the money collected for the Vet

[unknown]

And thats why your entire post is absurd. Because I defy you to find one flaw or untruth in my statements.

That aside, why ARE you still telling people that they have to vote for trump after you publicly admitted to me you did not vote for GOP candidate Romney?

I will address the second part of your post. The first part needs no comment, it is just flat out wrong. Your record on hearing isn't too good.

So, regarding the second part. I had this discussion previously and it looks like I will do so again. I have voted for the constitution party since it's inception. There are two reasons why I have done so. One. I want to support the constitution party, as I believe it is the best party of them all, and if we ever get to possibility of having another viable party, that is the one I would want. Two. I live in a very red state. It will always vote R - always. So, with our system of electoral colleges, my state will always give its electoral votes to the R - always. Therefore, this frees my vote to vote Constitution party without any fear that my state would go D. But, if I was in a battleground state, then, in this election, I would vote R; for most of all the reasons that have been stated on this board.

[Norm Lenhart]

I will address the second part of your post. The first part needs no comment, it is just flat out wrong. Your record on hearing isn't too good.

So, regarding the second part. I had this discussion previously and it looks like I will do so again. I have voted for the constitution party since it's inception. There are two reasons why I have done so. One. I want to support the constitution party, as I believe it is the best party of them all, and if we ever get to possibility of having another viable party, that is the one I would want. Two. I live in a very red state. It will always vote R - always. So, with our system of electoral colleges, my state will always give its electoral votes to the R - always. Therefore, this frees my vote to vote Constitution party without any fear that my state would go D. But, if I was in a battleground state, then, in this election, I would vote R; for most of all the reasons that have been stated on this board.

First, as as always, you dismiss factual posts when they do not support your liberal and thats why you won't address 'the first part'.

So lets take it one by one. Do you personally believe that conservatives should vote for prople that have a demonstrated opposition to conservative principles? Yes/No?

It's not a demand as you tried claiming the last time you avoided this issue. It's a question that should be answered if you intend to propagandize people. We should know where you actually stand.

Second, Do you believe Christians should vote for people whose actions have shown them to be directly hostile to the teachings of Christianity and Christians specifically? Yes/No?

It's not a demand as you tried claiming the last time you avoided this issue. It's a question that should be answered if you intend to propagandize people. We should know where you actually stand.

Lastly, you refused to vote for the GOP Republican candidate in 2012 by your own admission, despite the fact that the candidate you voted for stood no chance of winning.

Yet despite this admission on your part, you browbeat and accuse of hillary support, anyone that follows your EXACT ACTION in 2016.

Letme repeat that for the lurkers that read your posts and mistake you for honest or credible.

Yet despite this admission on your part, you browbeat and accuse of hillary support, anyone that follows your EXACT ACTION in 2016.

Now. Please tell us why that is without going off on one excuse or another as to why you won't.

[unknown]

First, as as always, you dismiss factual posts when they do not support your liberal and thats why you won't address 'the first part'.

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Sorry Norm. I was hoping you could have an honorable discussion this time. So I was willing to let go the previous slurs, but once again you start with the equivalent of "Jane, you ignorant slut." (Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, "Jane, you ignorant slut" is a classic SNL skit.)

So, sorry Norm, I won't participate in another of your hostile discussions.

[musiclady]

And thats why your entire post is absurd. Because I defy you to find one flaw or untruth in my statements.

That aside, why ARE you still telling people that they have to vote for trump after you publicly admitted to me you did not vote for GOP candidate Romney?

He probably voted for Obama........

This guy supports Trump with a passion.  There's not a conservative bone in his body.

[Norm Lenhart]

Sorry Norm. I was hoping you could have an honorable discussion this time. So I was willing to let go the previous slurs, but once again you start with the equivalent of "Jane, you ignorant slut." (Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, "Jane, you ignorant slut" is a classic SNL skit.)

So, sorry Norm, I won't participate in another of your hostile discussions.

Well I'll keep asking and it's your choice to participate or avoid. But if you are intent on hypocritically pushing Trump and calling us hillary supporters when you refused to vote for Romney, then lurkers will have your two faced behavior  pointed out.

[Idiot]

Excellent article.  I shared it with some people today who are reluctantly voting for Trump (lessor of 2 evils.)