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When he starts frisking everyone, be sure to wear clean underwear when you go to the grocery, etc.

Lol!  I always do (mother's advice).  You just never know what might happen along the way (these days).
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Stop and frisk won't fix the problem because it won't fix broken black families or the climate of resentment democrats have built over the past 50 years.

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I predict that Hannity will declare this a wonderful, inspired idea and congratulate Mr. Trump on having come up with it.

Fox should make Hannity take a leave of absence if he is going to continue to campaign for Trump and make political ads....Fox is now Trump Campaign Central
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All he has known all his life is giving orders and it happens.  He absolutely does think it will be the same as president.  He will do what he wants as he has always done and if anyone complains, he will bankrupt them forever.  And, since he will be able to order the FBI/Justice Dept. to arrest people, I think he will do that.  The jail will be full of reporters who question him, except for Hannity, the showman of Trump.

There is absolutely no reason to believe he won't at least try to imprison political dissidents......... that would be people who get in his way.

Scary times.....
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I don't know why people can't see that - he gets a total pass not being able to communicate as well as a 6th grader.  I personally think he had/has a learning disability and don't think he can read well which is why he says he doesn't read much.  Remember, he said he learns the news from watching TV shows and he related that specifically to the world situation - he watches the Sunday shows to find out about what is happening in the world.  I would bet he has people read for him.

I don't doubt that he has a learning disability.  But there's also something jumbled inside his brain in addition to any reading issues.

I know very few sixth graders as incoherent as he is.  And over the years, I have known a LOT of elementary kids.

There's something basically wrong with his brain.
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Considering the dire and dismal state we're in re: our "choices" in this election...

it looks like a very scary future we're facing.

It is, no matter what the outcome of the election.

The two choices (major parties) are both absolutely despicable.
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I don't know why people can't see that - he gets a total pass not being able to communicate as well as a 6th grader.  I personally think he had/has a learning disability and don't think he can read well which is why he says he doesn't read much.  Remember, he said he learns the news from watching TV shows and he related that specifically to the world situation - he watches the Sunday shows to find out about what is happening in the world.  I would bet he has people read for him.

You know...come to think of it....there's one very good reason why I had Trump's 'number' from Day One.  He reminds me somewhat of an ex of mine who also never read, yet could spout and spew statistics and ""facts"" convincingly as if he read and studied every day.  I used to watch him in amazement as he fooled our friends and his co-workers (baffled them with BS) and I used to think....this guy really could sell ice cubes in Hell....he's that good at spreading the manure.  He was that good at making it up as he went along and pulling facts and statistics out of 'you know where'.  And yes, his chosen career was salesman.
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Fox should make Hannity take a leave of absence if he is going to continue to campaign for Trump and make political ads....Fox is now Trump Campaign Central

It has been pretty much for the duration of Trump's campaign since he won the nomination officially.  I imagine Sean had trouble holding back his adoration until that happened.  Tingle up his leg indeed.

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It has been pretty much for the duration of Trump's campaign since he won the nomination officially.  I imagine Sean had trouble holding back his adoration until that happened.  Tingle up his leg indeed.

I wonder if he'll even be able to get a job selling pencils on the street after he's made such an abject fool of himself with his shameless Trumplove.....
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I hate to interrupt this self perpetuating hate-fest with actual information, but in New York City stop and frisk saved lives -- that is until the Liberals went to court to stop the program.

I think probably what Trump will speak about tonight (since there is no link – as is sinkspur's typical MO – no one knows yet what Mr. Trump will actually propose) is to try the same type of program in hotspots like Chicago and maybe do something positive to save black lives.

I think small-town Wyoming is probably safe from stop and frisk, BTW.  ^-^

Do you people ever listen to yourselves. Your overreaction to rumors regarding Mr. Trump is more a function of your hate, than of reality. Just my humble opinion.
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Federalizing local police forces? What could possibly go wrong with that?

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When he starts frisking everyone, be sure to wear clean underwear when you go to the grocery, etc.

Not a chance if they are gonna frisk me they are could be in for a surprise...

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It will be amusing to see how his supporters walk this back. :pondering:

Something along the lines of "he's an idiot but he's our idiot" I suspect...

I'd hazard his supporters will be fully supporting this.  Because, in their hearts, the just know that only the bad people will be stopped and frisked.  Trump supporters will be exempt, of course.

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Edit: Too late.  Trump supporters are already doing this.
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Trump has never seen a big-government program that he didn't just love.  Instead of worrying about the national debt and paring down government, he only seeks to increase it, like every good little liberal, New York or otherwise.

Therefore, logical folks would have to conclude from his past comments and recent policy statements, that regarding stop and frisk, he will also propose that it be 'nationwide' and therefore, yet another federal government program.  Of course, per usual, logic escapes the left and the liberals that support and promote Trump.

And how else, but nationwide, could a program be put in place for stop and frisk for various "hot spots" around the country?   It has already been struck down as unconstitutional in New York.  So apparently, Trump is unaware of that fact.
 


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Stop and frisk folks. It works. I know it works, the American people know it works. I'm gonna build a police force. The most beautiful police force you've ever seen. That police force is gonna have great hands. Great hands folks. Like mine. Just like mine. And let me tell you something. They are gonna stop and they are gonna frisk. It's gonna be a beautiful thing. Nobody trains a police force like me. Nobody. :police:
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I hate to interrupt this self perpetuating hate-fest with actual information, but in New York City stop and frisk saved lives -- that is until the Liberals went to court to stop the program.

I think probably what Trump will speak about tonight (since there is no link – as is sinkspur's  typical MO – no one knows yet what Mr. Trump will actually propose) is to try the same type of program in hotspots like Chicago and maybe do something positive to say black lives.

I think small-town Wyoming is probably safe from stop and frisk, BTW.  ^-^

Do you people ever listen to yourselves. Your overreaction to rumors regarding Mr. Trump is more a function of your hate, than of reality. Just my humble opinion.

Why am I not surprised you would come here defending a police state tactic championed by Democrat Michael Bloomberg and continued by Communist Bill deBlasio. I guess it shows the authoritarian/anti-liberty/anti-Constitution bent crosses both sides of the aisle.

It once again shows the divide is not R versus D but liberty versus authoritarians.

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I hate to interrupt this self perpetuating hate-fest with actual information, but in New York City stop and frisk saved lives -- that is until the Liberals went to court to stop the program.

I think probably what Trump will speak about tonight (since there is no link – as is sinkspur's  typical MO – no one knows yet what Mr. Trump will actually propose) is to try the same type of program in hotspots like Chicago and maybe do something positive to say black lives.

I think small-town Wyoming is probably safe from stop and frisk, BTW.  ^-^

Do you people ever listen to yourselves. Your overreaction to rumors regarding Mr. Trump is more a function of your hate, than of reality. Just my humble opinion.

This is not a rumor.  Trump already held his town hall and this was leaked.   

Are you aware that stop and frisk was declared unconstitutional?

But Trump doesn't care about that.   He has no clue how city and state governments work, nor what the federal government can and can't do.  He obviously never took a basic civics course any time in his life.

This is getting a lot of play on cable channels and it will kill what tiny momentum Trump had with the black community. 

It appears Conway has figured that Trump can't do much with blacks or Hispanics and his only hope is with the non-college educated white men.  He's still running behind Romney with those ole boys, so why not throw them some additional red meat?
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I hate to interrupt this self perpetuating hate-fest with actual information, but in New York City stop and frisk saved lives -- that is until the Liberals went to court to stop the program.

I think probably what Trump will speak about tonight (since there is no link – as is sinkspur's  typical MO – no one knows yet what Mr. Trump will actually propose) is to try the same type of program in hotspots like Chicago and maybe do something positive to say black lives.

I think small-town Wyoming is probably safe from stop and frisk, BTW.  ^-^

Do you people ever listen to yourselves. Your overreaction to rumors regarding Mr. Trump is more a function of your hate, than of reality. Just my humble opinion.
Would you mind explaining how you think this is Constitutional either in NY or WY?
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I'd hazard his supporters will be fully supporting this.  Because, in their hearts, the just know that only the bad people will be stopped and frisked.  Trump supporters will be exempt, of course.

Or....maybe they're imagining that they will get to be the ones stopping folks and asking "Vere are your papers!".   Next thing ya know....Trump will be proposing a National ID ...yet another big government idea that someone else (some other liberal) thought up.
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The fourth amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Seems clear to me, but hey if we can just save one life let's get rid of it and go live in fascist hell hole. It's for the children...
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Or....maybe they're imagining that they will get to be the ones stopping folks and asking "Vere are your papers!".   Next thing ya know....Trump will be proposing a National ID ...yet another big government idea that someone else (some other liberal) thought up.
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He wants government to do everything.  And he considers government to be himself.


This is what many of his supporters who would support the expansion of the size of the federal government under a Trump administration never seem to consider. They may cheer it on now. But Trump wont be there forever and what they support now could come back to haunt them someday. That, and there is no guarantee Trump will love them forever, either

This is generally speaking. As far as this issue is concerned, I will have to hear it from his own lips. So far, as far as I can tell, it's still a rumor. But if it is confirmed, conservatives should oppose this even if the stated intentions are good
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Poor pretzels............must be getting tough to accomplish those twists away from sanity.

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Why am I not surprised you would come here defending a police state tactic championed by Democrat Michael Bloomberg and continued by Communist Bill deBlasio.

Yes, it was championed by Bloomberg.  It was, however, successfully implemented in the mid-90s under Rudy Giuliani and his police commissioner, Bill Bratton.  And largely touted by Giuliani.  It was just expanded greatly under Bloomberg.

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I guess it shows the authoritarian/anti-liberty/anti-Constitution bent crosses both sides of the aisle.

It once again shows the divide is not R versus D but liberty versus authoritarians.

Agreed. 

But note that stop-and-frisk has never been found unconstitutional, per se.  It was only the NYPD policy that was found to be unconstitutional, based on racial bias.\

Their revised policy is more in line with Terry, stating that the officer must have "individualized, reasonable suspicion that the person stopped has committed, is committing or is about to commit a felony or penal law misdemeanor."  No longer can it just be because someone is alone in a high-crime area, for example.

Maybe we should no longer call it "stop and frisk" or "stop, question, and frisk", because it's important to understand what we're talking about.  Stopping and frisking those under "reasonable suspicion" is an important part of fighting crime.  aligncare is right that it saved lives.

The problem is, as implemented in NYC, it stepped on rights.

Edited to add: I am not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.
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Probable cause and due process anyone? Or does Trump count being black as probable cause for search and seizure?
If they run this like the TSA, they'll only shake down fishbelly white grandmothers.
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