The GOP has become a pity party for white males

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This demonization of immigrants is wrong, considering our history.

Welp lets consider two facts here:

1) In about 50 years whites in the country will be a minority.

2) New immigrants are extremely unlikely to vote for anything other than liberals and socialists

Do you disagree with either of those two statements?

[HonestJohn]

Welp lets consider two facts here:

1) In about 50 years whites in the country will be a minority.

2) New immigrants are extremely unlikely to vote for anything other than liberals and socialists

Do you disagree with either of those two statements?

Point 1: What does it matter?  Why are you concerned about that?

Point 2: You'd be surprised how many people like the conservative economic message.  What drives people away is screeching that, because of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation... that the GOP hates you and sees you as less of a person.

Cases in point: 
Asian voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Not anymore.
Cuban voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Now it's about 60% Democrat.
Black voters used to be equally distributed between the parties.  Not anymore.
Hispanic (non-Cuban) voters were, at one point, voting at nearly 40% for Republicans.  Not anymore.
College educated white Americans used to vote mostly for the GOP.  Not anymore.

How any times must a party lose growing constituent groups before they realize that demonizing anyone not a lily-white WASP is a losing proposition?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Point 1: What does it matter?  Why are you concerned about that?

Point 2: You'd be surprised how many people like the conservative economic message.  What drives people away is screeching that, because of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation... that the GOP hates you and sees you as less of a person.

Haha, total bullshit. 2012 and 2008 were the kindest gentlest campaigns to minorities ever. Nobody cared.

They voted in mass for bigger government. How has California treated the GOP?

[HonestJohn]

Haha, total bullshit. 2012 and 2008 were the kindest gentlest campaigns to minorities ever. Nobody cared.

They voted in mass for bigger government. How has California treated the GOP?

If that floats your boat.  Go ahead and deny that the GOP is losing everyone except white Protestants with no college.

And the 47% bit did piss-off a lot of Hispanics. 

Furthermore, it's not usually the politicians that will drive voters away, but the constituents.  If the voter doesn't feel accepted in the party by the people in the party, they leave.

It's like going to a church.  The priest/pastor can be as nice as can be, but if the rest of the congregation turns away from you and your family... and you hear shushed whispers about you, you tend not to return.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And the 47% bit did piss-off a lot of Hispanics. 

Absolute nonsense. Go check the RCP average, Romney's numbers barely budged during the whole thing. You're wrong, just admit it. Is it that hard?

[goatprairie]

Welp lets consider two facts here:

1) In about 50 years whites in the country will be a minority.

2) New immigrants are extremely unlikely to vote for anything other than liberals and socialists

Do you disagree with either of those two statements?

That is true, but here is also a major problem......the current young generation is the first generation ever polled that favors socialism over capitalism. Now it's probably also true that they have no concept of what a socialist-run country would look like. Given the disinterest in current events not related to entertainment of the millennials in general, I would bet a very large pct. of them would not know what you were talking about if you mentioned Venezuela, N. Korean, or Cuba.
So we have a two-fold problem.....large amounts of illegals getting into the country who like Big Government, and  a young generation of Americans who believe socialism is the way to go.
So how can we counter those problems? Elect someone who is not a  conservative and has no idea how to educate the country about conservatism? Whose trade policies, if enacted, will probably cause the poorer sector of the population to have to spend more money for essentials?  A person who has changed his mind on many policies often within a short period of time?
Trump, if elected, will be no more than a stopgap. He will most likely not serve two terms, and he will certainly not be able to implement many of the policies he says he champions. What happens after Trump? We'll be back where we started in 2016 hoping to find a conservative champion. Because if we don't turn the tide of liberal propaganda radicalizing the youth, we're screwed anyway.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That is true, but here is also a major problem......the current young generation is the first generation ever polled that favors socialism over capitalism. Now it's probably also true that they have no concept of what a socialist-run country would look like. Given the disinterest in current events not related to entertainment of the millennials in general, I would bet a very large pct. of them would not know what you were talking about if you mentioned Venezuela, N. Korean, or Cuba.
So we have a two-fold problem.....large amounts of illegals getting into the country who like Big Government, and  a young generation of Americans who believe socialism is the way to go.
So how can we counter those problems? Elect someone who is not a  conservative and has no idea how to educate the country about conservatism? Whose trade policies, if enacted, will probably cause the poorer sector of the population to have to spend more money for essentials?  A person who has changed his mind on many policies often within a short period of time?
Trump, if elected, will be no more than a stopgap. He will most likely not serve two terms, and he will certainly not be able to implement many of the policies he says he champions. What happens after Trump? We'll be back where we started in 2016 hoping to find a conservative champion. Because if we don't turn the tide of liberal propaganda radicalizing the youth, we're screwed anyway.

Young people are dopes who have had their asses wiped by adults their whole life. They may find the truth given enough time. A "conservative president" will not teach them anything. Eventually many will come on board as this SJW and PC crap keeps pushing.

With Trump I'd like two things:

1) Shut down illegal immigration
2) Appoint conservative justices

All elections as far as I'm concerned are a lesser of two evils thing. Trump is the lesser of two evils, and I get the feeling he'll defer to his VP in real questions of policy.

[TomSea]

Blog; editorial.

[GrouchoTex]

Agreed, but that doesn't make it right. I think we are seeing a kind of mirror image liberalism taking place. Liberalism is very racist in how they lump people together and want quotas and hand out etc based on race. Instead of standing against this, we seem to be seeing some white folks that want their own special interest group and benefits.

That seems to be the feeling I am getting as well.
We are Americans, not a collective of such, and if we play the game of we are this-american, or that-american, we will lose what makes us American.
Our individual freedom.

[skeeter]

Point 1: What does it matter?  Why are you concerned about that?

Point 2: You'd be surprised how many people like the conservative economic message.  What drives people away is screeching that, because of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation... that the GOP hates you and sees you as less of a person.

Cases in point: 
Asian voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Not anymore.
Cuban voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Now it's about 60% Democrat.
Black voters used to be equally distributed between the parties.  Not anymore.
Hispanic (non-Cuban) voters were, at one point, voting at nearly 40% for Republicans.  Not anymore.
College educated white Americans used to vote mostly for the GOP.  Not anymore.

How any times must a party lose growing constituent groups before they realize that demonizing anyone not a lily-white WASP is a losing proposition?

You'll need to provide some proof that 'demonization' by the GOP has driven these voters into the arms of the democrats.

Is your contention that white racism has gotten worse over the past 50 years? Because thats what you'd have to believe to accept your basic thesis.

Personally I do not believe there is anything wrong with wanting to maintain some kind of demographic stability. I believe many non-whites would agree, for a host of good reasons.

I know some think there's no worse sin but I'm tired of the bullying that goes on whenever this issue is brought up.

[Sanguine]

You'll need to provide some proof that 'demonization' by the GOP has driven these voters into the arms of the democrats.

Is your contention that white racism has gotten worse over the past 50 years? Because thats what you'd have to believe to accept your basic thesis.

Personally I do not believe there is anything wrong with wanting to maintain some kind of demographic stability. I believe many non-whites would agree, for a host of good reasons.

I know some think there's no worse sin but I'm tired of the bullying that goes on whenever this issue is brought up.

Well said, Skeeter.  And, it's not a question of skin color, but of culture.  And, standard, old boring American culture is pretty damn good!

[HonestJohn]

What we are seeing is that Trump supporters believe that the term 'American' is an ethnicity that one can only be born into.  And anyone not born American is a foreigner, no matter how many generations they've been in country.

It's the same value system seen in the euro-conservative parties.  Blood and soil, Blut und Boden.

If you read the Wikipedia entry, you'll see how eerily similar it is.  And, quite frankly, it's an abomination that betrays our fundamental ideals as Americans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Soil

[skeeter]

Well said, Skeeter.  And, it's not a question of skin color, but of culture.  And, standard, old boring American culture is pretty damn good!

Having done a bit of traveling and having a multi-ethnic family I agree wholeheartedly.

BTW I do think there has been increasing racial demonization during the past fifty years. Quite clearly its come from the left.

The evidence is all around.

If anything has alienated ethnic groups from the GOP its been this. Its ludicrous to blame the rift on the average republican who simply wants the law enforced and some stability in their world.

[DiogenesLamp]

In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If the left is openly advocating a political alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.

And other people are fools to taunt the most Dangerous group of people the world has ever known.   


But such is the left. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Two wrongs don't make a right.   Conservatives shouldn't capitulate to the tribal mindset; instead we should be preaching the virtues of individual liberty and the opportunity society. 

Were the nation a collection of philosophers,  you would have a point.   We are not.   We are a collection  of emotionally driven children in adult bodies,  and most of us haven't learned to put on our big boy pants just yet.   


Liberals tout this concept called "Progress",  but we aren't "progressing",  we are "regressing."   

We have passed the peak of optimal civilization and we are now descending back into pagan barbarism.

[DiogenesLamp]

We're all descendents of immigrants here in America.  The talk should never have been about Hispanic immigrants in the first place, but about how many total immigrants we can take per year.

You initiate the conversation with a false premise.   The talk was not focused primarily on immigrants,  it was focused on *ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS*.   You know,  people who enter the country illegally and some of which cause crimes and take state handouts.   

Most of these are Hispanic,   but whether they are Hispanic or not is not the central question,   that they are here illegally is the main point.   



 

This demonization of immigrants is wrong, considering our history.

You are just glossing right over that "Illegal"  part,  aren't you?   

[DiogenesLamp]

Point 1: What does it matter?  Why are you concerned about that?

Point 2: You'd be surprised how many people like the conservative economic message.  What drives people away is screeching that, because of their religion, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation... that the GOP hates you and sees you as less of a person.

Though there is much to address and rebut in your first two points,  I'm going to skip over them to your third point. 

Cases in point: 
Asian voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Not anymore.
Cuban voters used to be predominately Republican voters.  Now it's about 60% Democrat.
Black voters used to be equally distributed between the parties.  Not anymore.
Hispanic (non-Cuban) voters were, at one point, voting at nearly 40% for Republicans.  Not anymore.
College educated white Americans used to vote mostly for the GOP.  Not anymore.

 You are proffering an effect without exploring the cause.   You are arguing "Post hoc ergo propter hoc"  and that is simply a fallacy.   


Do you know why any of these changes occurred?   I believe I do,   and the causes do not fit very well into the premise of your argument.     


 I am actually surprised that you would put forth an argument that is so devoid of any intellectual heft.   I dare say you must first understand the cause of a problem before you will be able to do anything to correct it. 

How any times must a party lose growing constituent groups before they realize that demonizing anyone not a lily-white WASP is a losing proposition?

Straw man.   Who is doing this?   No one of which I am aware,  and I pretty much keep up with politics.   This sounds like Democrat talking points being repeated. 

[DiogenesLamp]

What we are seeing is that Trump supporters believe that the term 'American' is an ethnicity that one can only be born into.  And anyone not born American is a foreigner, no matter how many generations they've been in country.

To cite Wolfgang Pauli,  you are "not even wrong."   


Where do you get this stuff?  Who  have you been reading/talking to?