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The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« on: September 20, 2016, 03:41:47 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/09/20/the-gop-has-become-a-pity-party-for-white-males/?postshare=6771474384686438&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.3fbaed01b5df

The GOP has become a pity party for white males

By Jennifer Rubin September 20 at 11:03 AM
 
A cottage industry of apologists for Donald Trump and his supporters has sprung up to excuse, justify, infantilize and pity his core group of white, non-college-educated males who lash out at immigrants and globalism more generally. Victims ignored by elites! The Emmy winners mock them! There are more than a few problems with this.

First, conservatives used to stand up for “creative destruction,” the rise and fall of businesses and entire industries, which is an intrinsic part of a dynamic free market. If you’re not a hard-core Libertarian, the average conservative has considered the solution to this problem to be a safety net and tax, education and other policies that allow workers to rebound; it has never been to halt the marketplace or shift to a government-planned economy. The latter has been tried and has failed, as conservatives are quick to point out when ridiculing Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) or other anti-capitalist wags. It also exempts these voters from responsibility for their lives. The coal town is depopulated? Yes, that’s sad, but why are they not moving — as immigrants do — to where the jobs are?

Second, the ills about which Trump and his apologists complain have little to do with the plight of many of their supporters (whose average salary is $72,000, much higher than that of the average Sanders or Hillary Clinton supporter). The things Trump demonizes — free trade and immigration — did not cause the decline of low-skilled manufacturing (automation did that); they have, however, contributed to the resurgence of high-skill manufacturing in the United States to such an extent that we have record numbers of unfilled manufacturing jobs. If Trump were railing about the lack of job training programs, that would be one thing, but he is not, of course. Constructive measures that do not involve attacks on others are of no concern to him. He’s simply casting about for targets for white, lower-class rage.

Third, Trump’s defenders seem to demand that we treat member of his base delicately for fear of ruffling their feathers and damaging their self-esteem. When you play the “Hollywood makes fun of us” card, you get perilously close to political correctness and emotional feebleness, not things Trump and his ilk are supposed to promote. Even worse, complaining that other people don’t wish them “Merry Christmas” — and then transforming that into a war against Christianity — is victimology rarely seen outside the “safe spaces” on college campuses.


Fourth, the pity party for lower-class white males excludes virtually everyone else. Are we expected to turn the economy inside out for the latter, even to the extent that it harms those who have prepared themselves for a competitive workplace — or who simply want to enjoy moderately priced consumer goods not priced out of their grasp by tariffs? Why concern ourselves with the delicate sensibilities of the “Merry Christmas”-deprived and not with Mexican immigrants (“murderers”), women (Trump thinks it’s a mistake to let wives work outside the home), African Americans (whose lives he insists are a “disaster”), the disabled, etc.?

In elevating one specific group — older white males — Trump fails the test of a leader in a diverse, complex society in which we want to maximize benefits for the largest number of people. He seems not to grasp the demands of living in a prosperous 21st-century society, which demands technical prowess, flexibility, cooperation and respect for others.

It also happens to be dumb politics, as Gerald Seib points out:

Suburban women “have in the past voted consistently Republican, and this year they are leaning heavily toward Hillary Clinton” says GOP pollster Whit Ayres, who works with Sen. Marco Rubio. Says one Trump adviser flatly: “Suburban women will decide this election.”

Broadly speaking, the Trump appeal is strongest among older men without a college degree, and among those who feel particular economic stress. . . .

Montgomery [County, Pa.] and the other suburban counties around Philadelphia have “a very, very diversified economy,” with high-tech, insurance, banking and retail activity, says Terry Madonna, a pollster at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa.

While such suburbs don’t represent Trump country generally, that’s specifically true among suburban women, who don’t appear to warm to the Trump style.

There is no virtue in pandering to Trumpkins at the expense of every other group and the country’s general prosperity. In making these white males (and only them) into victims and encouraging them to blame outsiders or menacing forces beyond their control, Trump does what Republicans used to accuse liberals of doing — pitting one group against another in a zero-sum conception of the economy. It is doing the Trumpkins no favors and it is heightening dissension in a country that needs to rediscover common values and shared endeavors and undertake some systemic reforms in government, education and criminal justice.
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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 04:00:05 pm »
Jennifer Rubin misses the mark, again.



How does she explain all of us "old, white guys" who are NeverTrumpers? I don't need a pity party, Jennifer.
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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 04:10:30 pm »
Of course liberals like Jennifer Rubin would rather white males not start employing the same tactics the various leftist constituencies have been using to get what they want for decades now.


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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 04:10:43 pm »
An interesting article with shades of truth.

The media and culture has heavily favored certain pity parties. If that's how the game is played nowadays... *shrug* maybe us whities deserve a few pity parties of their own. I know my dad never bought me a motorcycle and I grew up fat!

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 04:12:11 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If the left is openly advocating a political alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 04:16:35 pm »
 Thanks for posting so many articles from Hillary's Surrogate newspaper and yes, that is what the Post is called.

DC is a real good example of the accomplishments of the Democratic party, isn't it.

Just like Baltimore, etc.

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 04:32:11 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If you're basically saying their should be an alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.

YEP!

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 04:34:52 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If you're basically saying their should be an alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.

And if a party and it's members have spent their entire existence opposed to such a thing... it is a complete repudiation of one's entire political life to suddenly embrace what one has spent a lifetime denouncing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 04:36:17 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If you're basically saying their should be an alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.
Exactly.....the left/Dems have gone out of their way to trivialize and denigrate whites, specifically white males, and then wonders why people i.e. white males champion a person, Trump, who tells those people to jam it up their hindquarters.
Like most libs, Rubin can't understand why everybody doesn't love the current hate-America leader, Hillary Clinton.
I'm not a NeverTrumper, but I don't like him. Nevertheless, he does say many un p.c. things that ruffles the feathers of liberals.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 04:36:49 pm »
And if a party and it's members have spent their entire existence opposed to such a thing... it is a complete repudiation of one's entire political life to suddenly embrace what one has spent a lifetime denouncing.

If you can't beat 'em...

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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 04:42:51 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If you're basically saying their should be an alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.

Two wrongs don't make a right.   Conservatives shouldn't capitulate to the tribal mindset; instead we should be preaching the virtues of individual liberty and the opportunity society. 

Free minds and free markets should be our watchwords,  not Trump's tawdry racialism.

You're a good man,  Major Bill,  why are you willing to enable Trumpism?   Shouldn't we be fighting for the values that conservatives have traditionally believed in?   I can't believe you're comfortable with this "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality.   
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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 04:43:24 pm »
And if a party and it's members have spent their entire existence opposed to such a thing... it is a complete repudiation of one's entire political life to suddenly embrace what one has spent a lifetime denouncing.

That's true, but it's the other side that is drawing the lines.  We're just stuck on the other side of it.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 04:43:27 pm »
If you can't beat 'em...

Betray everything you ever believed in?

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 04:48:01 pm »
Betray everything you ever believed in?

I think we're in a mode for mere survival at this point, personally. Principals be damned at this point.

The country will be flooded with illegals, at which time we'll look like mexico or some other 3rd world shithole.

But hey you never compromised your principals. So you can stand proud.

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 04:51:49 pm »
I think we're in a mode for mere survival at this point, personally. Principals be damned at this point.

The country will be flooded with illegals, at which time we'll look like mexico or some other 3rd world shithole.

But hey you never compromised your principals. So you can stand proud.

Even the ones in the elementary schools?  That's harsh, Weird.....   :tongue2:
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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2016, 04:53:30 pm »
In an era in which the left so heavily touts racial and gender solidarity when it benefits the left....how stupid does it think white males are?  If the left is openly advocating a political alliance between racial minorities and women, white men would have to be fools not to adopt that tribalist mentality themselves.
Agreed, but that doesn't make it right. I think we are seeing a kind of mirror image liberalism taking place. Liberalism is very racist in how they lump people together and want quotas and hand out etc based on race. Instead of standing against this, we seem to be seeing some white folks that want their own special interest group and benefits.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2016, 04:55:27 pm »
I got no interest in joining anyone's victim class.

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2016, 05:08:18 pm »
I got no interest in joining anyone's victim class.
Amen to that.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2016, 05:13:38 pm »
I think we're in a mode for mere survival at this point, personally. Principals be damned at this point.

The country will be flooded with illegals, at which time we'll look like mexico or some other 3rd world shithole.

But hey you never compromised your principals. So you can stand proud.

We're all descendents of immigrants here in America.  The talk should never have been about Hispanic immigrants in the first place, but about how many total immigrants we can take per year.

This demonization of immigrants is wrong, considering our history.

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And I'd point out that, when America only had a population of 100 million, we had 20 million eastern Europeans come into America in roughly a 25-year period.  Many of them illegally, jumping ship and swimming ashore before debarking at Ellis Island.

That in a nation of 300 million, our culture is going to be subsumed by 11 million... is a sick joke.

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2016, 05:22:54 pm »
We're all descendents of immigrants here in America.  The talk should never have been about Hispanic immigrants in the first place, but about how many total immigrants we can take per year.

This demonization of immigrants is wrong, considering our history.

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And I'd point out that, when America only had a population of 100 million, we had 20 million eastern Europeans come into America in roughly a 25-year period.  Many of them illegally, jumping ship and swimming ashore before debarking at Ellis Island.

That in a nation of 300 million, our culture is going to be subsumed by 11 million... is a sick joke.


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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2016, 05:25:39 pm »
Jennifer Rubin misses the mark, again.



How does she explain all of us "old, white guys" who are NeverTrumpers? I don't need a pity party, Jennifer.

That image is perfect.

And, as usual, Rubin's comments are BS.

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2016, 05:33:47 pm »
Agreed, but that doesn't make it right. I think we are seeing a kind of mirror image liberalism taking place. Liberalism is very racist in how they lump people together and want quotas and hand out etc based on race. Instead of standing against this, we seem to be seeing some white folks that want their own special interest group and benefits.

I should clarify my point, @Idaho_Cowboy

We have a political ideology that openly advocates females and ethnic minorities be given preferential treatment at the explicit expense of "white male privilege".  In other words, they are advocate institutionalizing legal and societal discrimination against a particular minority.  It's not that we're "claiming" victim status -- they are openly pronouncing that as their goal.

Therefore, for those of us who believe that society should not operate that way, that people should not be judged or treated differently based on their gender or ethnicity, the moral ground for white males is to stand up for themselves, and say "this is wrong".  It should come as a surprise to no-one that many of us are refusing self-immolation, and challenging that ideology openly.

That is what I meant in my initial statement -- just didn't take all the words to flesh it out.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2016, 05:35:29 pm »
We're all descendents of immigrants here in America.  The talk should never have been about Hispanic immigrants in the first place, but about how many total immigrants we can take per year.

This demonization of immigrants is wrong, considering our history.

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And I'd point out that, when America only had a population of 100 million, we had 20 million eastern Europeans come into America in roughly a 25-year period.  Many of them illegally, jumping ship and swimming ashore before debarking at Ellis Island.

That in a nation of 300 million, our culture is going to be subsumed by 11 million... is a sick joke.

John, first of all 11 million is an oft-used but thoroughly bogus number.  And, there is no equivalence between the current illegal and legal immigration flood and our history of immigration.  Not the same thing at all.

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Re: The GOP has become a pity party for white males
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2016, 05:43:47 pm »
Got proof?

The last time I checked (last month), the only hiring preferences bandied about were for military veterans.  (Both in civilian and government sector work.)

I can't find any company that sets aside jobs for blacks, hispanics, or women.  And with large businesses, I can't find any that include a person's photograph to the hiring selection committee (and many go with numbers instead of names, nowadays).

(I'm actively looking for a new company to switch to at the moment, so I'm very much in the middle of what you're describing.)

He said political ideology, not company.
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2016, 05:51:54 pm »
Got proof?

"Check your privilege."  Or haven't you heard that?

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The last time I checked (last month), the only hiring preferences bandied about were for military veterans.  (Both in civilian and government sector work.) I can't find any company that sets aside jobs for blacks, hispanics, or women.  And with large businesses, I can't find any that include a person's photograph to the hiring selection committee (and many go with numbers instead of names, nowadays).

You're talking about private sector hiring now, which is something different.  But okay....

I actively practiced employment law for 25 years, and I can absolutely tell you there are many companies that apply those preferences for the sake of "diversity", even though they won't admit it openly because it is illegal.  I personally sat in on hiring meetings with my department of my law firm -- one of the 25 largest in the country -- as we talked about how badly we needed to hire minority lawyers, and that we needed to pull out all the stops to get them.  I personally know there were extremely large corporate clients who specified the percentage of work that must be done by women and minorities on their cases.  That forced us, as partners, to make racially and gender-based illegal decisions on hiring, and who to assign to big cases.  Mind you, this was the labor and employment department of a major law firm engaging in discrimination.  We all knew it, and even joked about it.  But that's the world with which we had to deal.

Nobody talks about it, because it is technically illegal to do that.  But it happens all the time.
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