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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #150 on: September 20, 2016, 12:08:52 am »
And Trump was governor of what? He doesn't even know how a bill is put in the hopper, he just paid people to take care of that. Buying politicians isn't exactly political experience.

Trump and his lackeys could benefit from watching School House Rock and learning as much as your average 10 year old already knows....

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #151 on: September 20, 2016, 12:18:28 am »

The Cruz love on here is so touching...too bad for you the reality was that by a margin of 3 to 1 republicans chose Donald J Trump.

And it wasn't because Donald Trump said bad things about Ted Cruz. It was because voters looked at the candidates and determined Donald J Trump was the better candidate to go up against Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump won fair and square on his agenda and his personality.

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« Reply #152 on: September 20, 2016, 12:23:49 am »
But they didn't latch on then. Thats the people they always were. Trump just gave voice to their liberalism.

I used to argue with people on TOS about supporting liberals and the truth still holds. For someone to embrace and empower a leftist, one had that leftism in them to begin with. If a pro lifer starts donating to Planned Parenthood, how pro life are they? Were they before donating? That donation manifested from something, some belief they had all along.

It's the same for any sudden conversion of magnitude. People don't simply 'change' their core being. Look how many converts to christianity burst out with the levels of a zealot, only to regress a short time later and go back to the people 'they actually are'.

Same for politics. Anyone that can straight up vote for a liberal, believes that liberalism is the best option. If they did not, they would fight for what they believe in. When they empower liberals with their vote, they arent 'compromising their beliefs'. They are ENACTING the beliefs they actually hold.

People ask why some gay men marry women. It's cover. They fear the consequences of 'coming out' to friends/family/employers. The same reasons hold true for why some liberals swear they are conservatives. It's a beard. Cover.

But Trump made it acceptable to come out of the political closet for them. They can embrace being a 'Trump Conservative'. Even when Trump himself is a raging liberal as history has thoroughly documented. They simply rewrote the meaning of the word, Orwell style, to arrange personal reality to their view.
The Liberals took "Gay" which used to mean happy, and now denotes perversion. They took the rainbow, the symbol God put in the heavens to remind us he would never again destroy the world by water, and made that a symbol of perversion, too.

They can't have "Conservative". We need to draw the line somewhere. 
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #153 on: September 20, 2016, 12:25:45 am »
The Cruz love on here is so touching...too bad for you the reality was that by a margin of 3 to 1 republicans chose Donald J Trump.

And it wasn't because Donald Trump said bad things about Ted Cruz. It was because voters looked at the candidates and determined Donald J Trump was the better candidate to go up against Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump won fair and square on his agenda and his personality.



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“His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous,” Trump said Tuesday during a phone interview with Fox News. “What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don't even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it.”
“I mean, what was he doing — what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting?” Trump continued. “It’s horrible.”

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #154 on: September 20, 2016, 12:27:01 am »
The Cruz love on here is so touching...too bad for you the reality was that by a margin of 3 to 1 republicans chose Donald J Trump.

And it wasn't because Donald Trump said bad things about Ted Cruz. It was because voters looked at the candidates and determined Donald J Trump was the better candidate to go up against Hillary Clinton.

Donald Trump won fair and square on his agenda and his personality.
First, we don't know how many of that margin were crossover Democrats.

As for not saying anything bad about Cruz, well, I'm glad to see you recovered from your Primary season long coma. Does "Lyin' Ted" ring a bell? That was just the warmup pitch, you must have missed the game.

As for the rest, don't believe everything they told you at Trump Central.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #155 on: September 20, 2016, 12:28:37 am »
And it wasn't because Donald Trump said bad things about Ted Cruz.

So why did Trump say bad things about Ted Cruz?
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2016, 12:29:19 am »
The Liberals took "Gay" which used to mean happy, and now denotes perversion. They took the rainbow, the symbol God put in the heavens to remind us he would never again destroy the world by water, and made that a symbol of perversion, too.

They can't have "Conservative". We need to draw the line somewhere.

I agree. But drawing the line is the easy part. The problem is lots of people will draw it where it belongs, but they won't stand and defend it, even verbally and anonymously on an internet forum out of fear they will offend the very liberals that are the problem. Which makes them no better than the actual liberals.

Can't be principled when one is willing to suppress those principles 'just this time' in the name of 'getting along'.

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2016, 12:33:00 am »
They can't have "Conservative". We need to draw the line somewhere.

Too late.

Trump and his liberal big-government-is-now-okay militants already have taken it over and are busy redefining it as you sit here and read this.

'Constitution worshippers' in the negative parlance and the continued slamming of Cruz and anyone who supported him and does not bow down to their prince is all part of the redefinition process.

'Conservative' will now mean Trump's GOP or 'better managed big government socialism'.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2016, 12:34:47 am »
But the letters I read were bogus.  IMO.  They were an effort to shut down dissent and it worked. 

Fair enough.  If it's being used as extortion, that's a different case.

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And one of the most dangerous assaults we are facing these days is the attempt to shut down dissenting opinions, especially in Fascist-style proposals ranging from Donald Trump's to special snowflakes' on college campuses.

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Opinions alone?  Okay.  But when the opinions of a confederacy of dunces leads to a tyranny, then I don't think it's necessarily "stupid" to decide not to live under that.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #159 on: September 20, 2016, 12:39:42 am »
Fair enough.  If it's being used as extortion, that's a different case.

And one of the most dangerous assaults we are facing these days is the attempt to shut down dissenting opinions, especially in Fascist-style proposals ranging from Donald Trump's to special snowflakes' on college campuses.

Opinions alone?  Okay.  But when the opinions of a confederacy of dunces leads to a tyranny, then I don't think it's necessarily "stupid" to decide not to live under that.

I can understand the mindset completely. However, my choice would be to stick around and watch because as a student of history I am 100% sure of one thing. Seizing power is one thing. Holding it is quite another. And this crew of 'Jokers' doesn't 'look like the type that has a plan.'
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« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2016, 12:40:24 am »
It's almost as if they're so ignorant of all things Conservative that they don't even know what the Constitution means to the founding and sustaining of this nation.

Oh, wait............... there's no "almost" about it.

These trolls are clueless about the greatness of this country.  That's why they consider the rest of us "worshippers" of the document that actually made us great.

The surprising thing is that they're not even trying to hide their hard core liberalism any more.  They just put it all out there for all to see.

Incredible hubris and stupidity combined.....

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What was the remark I saw the other day..."Get with the 21st century."  The Constitution is so yesterday.

Instead, they look to an authoritarian to save them and make them great.

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2016, 12:46:25 am »
. . . by a margin of 3 to 1 Republicans chose Donald J. Trump.

At the Republican National Convention, yes, the delegates went for Donaldus Minimus 3-to-1.

In the primaries, at the polls/caucuses, the voters told another story in terms of total votes. D.M.
received 13.3 million votes . . . but the other candidates combined, allowing for the gradual thinning of the
herd as the primary season went onward, received over 16 million votes. (Both those figures, by the way,
eclipsed previous GOP primary vote records, D.M. having beaten both George W. Bush in total votes for
and John McCain in total votes against/not for. It reminds one with a long memory of the time the
protopunk/glitter band the New York Dolls won a magazine poll as both the best new band and the worst
new band of 1973 and, yes, you can look it up.)

Setting aside the convention and delegation rules, both in the states and at the convention itself, that looks to
any amateur or elementary mathmetician---using a hard 16 million against---as if D.M. was actually the Republican
voters' choice by 1.23-to-1. Which isn't a ratio you'd consider overwhelming. But, it is a ratio that
causes one to ponder what the convention result might have been, had enough delegates been let loose to
vote---I hate to use an obscene word in polite company---their consciences, rather than their varied state
mandates. Would unbound delegates have a) chosen D.M. or b) rejected him, even by the slimmest margins?
We'll never truly know.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #162 on: September 20, 2016, 12:52:45 am »

 It reminds one with a long memory of the time the
protopunk/glitter band the New York Dolls won a magazine poll as both the best new band and the worst
new band of 1973 and, yes, you can look it up.)


Given the relative unpopularity, ideological similarity, and common home of both nominees, I hereby move that "The New York Dolls" become official shorthand for Hillary and Trump together.
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« Reply #163 on: September 20, 2016, 12:56:50 am »
Given the relative unpopularity, ideological similarity, and common home of both nominees, I hereby move that "The New York Dolls" become official shorthand for Hillary and Trump together.

Works for me. Although I think we'd be better served by electing a Real Doll. (If you don't know the reference and look it up, do so knowing you were warned ;)

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #164 on: September 20, 2016, 12:58:52 am »
The Liberals took "Gay" which used to mean happy, and now denotes perversion. They took the rainbow, the symbol God put in the heavens to remind us he would never again destroy the world by water, and made that a symbol of perversion, too.

They can't have "Conservative". We need to draw the line somewhere.

Good point.  They also changed the term progressive (usually denoting making progress) into what it really equates to with them in charge....regressive and a detriment to the nation's future as a free and prosperous nation.

But you know as well as I do that they..... the liberals, leftists and trumpocrats.... will continue to try to re-define and thus pervert words, meanings and traditions that we hold dear and that made this nation the very best on earth.  It's how they roll and it's what they do.  And yes, we need to draw the line and correct them every single time.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #165 on: September 20, 2016, 01:01:44 am »
Given the relative unpopularity, ideological similarity, and common home of both nominees, I hereby move that "The New York Dolls" become official shorthand for Hillary and Trump together.

Now why would you do that to a nice . . . band like the Dolls?!? ;)


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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #166 on: September 20, 2016, 01:05:50 am »
I would like to interrupt this navel-gazing with the truth:







Ted Cruz lost.  Donald Trump won.   Personally, I no longer care if you're disappointed or angry.  It is done.  It is over.  It is history.  It is time to get the hell over it.

We are looking square into the face of terrorist cells active on American soil.  This dead-end debate, argument, one-upmanship on Trump v Cruz continues, or we get real. 

And by real I mean we choose whether or not we want Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office who has promised to increase by 500%  unvetted "refugees" from the countries in the Middle East breeding terrorists---or if we want Donald Trump who has said from day one, this Trojan Horse will be stopped at our shores.

Join the real debate in this election, join the real fight for our nation.  Or prove your "principles" to be no more than camouflage for bitter disappointment.   The choice is yours. 
 

 

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #167 on: September 20, 2016, 01:06:45 am »
Now why would you do that to a nice . . . band like the Dolls?!? ;)


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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #168 on: September 20, 2016, 01:09:47 am »
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I happened to be listening to CNN when they made the initial report about Carson leaving the campaign trail.  I remember yelling to my husband, who was in another part of the house, that it looked like Carson was dropping out.

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Lots of folks watched Dana Bash make that vicious comment but I don't recall too many people taking her at her word. In fact the reporter who interviewed Dr. Carson quickly updated the CNN story via twitter, although that fact is often overlooked.

But the simple fact that CNN said something doesn't absolve Cruz from what his camp did next, namely message every Cruz caucus precinct captain with instructions to use the faulty information to go after Carson caucus voters in a very specific way.



This led to numerous instances of Carson supporters being hit with the "news" that their guy was out, including none other than Dr. Carson's wife Candy who was forced to use her caucus speech to reassure supporters that Carson wasn't leaving the race.

Missing in all this was any attempt by Cruz to reach out to his 'good friend' Ben Carson to confirm the false narrative.

So, lets not pretend what Cruz did to Carson wasn't dirty because...CNN said it first.  :nono:

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #169 on: September 20, 2016, 01:10:04 am »
Surely a title like "(There's Gonna be a) Showdown", one week before the first debate, argues in favor of my motion.

Hmmm ... maybe I should have used . . .


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« Reply #170 on: September 20, 2016, 01:10:19 am »
I would like to interrupt this navel-gazing with the truth:







Ted Cruz lost.  Donald Trump won.   Personally, I no longer care if you're disappointed or angry.  It is done.  It is over.  It is history.  It is time to get the hell over it.

We are looking square into the face of terrorist cells active on American soil.  This dead-end debate, argument, one-upmanship on Trump v Cruz continues, or we get real. 

And by real I mean we choose whether or not we want Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office who has promised to increase by 500%  unvetted "refugees" from the countries in the Middle East breeding terrorists---or if we want Donald Trump who has said from day one, this Trojan Horse will be stopped at our shores.

Join the real debate in this election, join the real fight for our nation.  Or prove your "principles" to be no more than camouflage for bitter disappointment.   The choice is yours.

Fortunately you arent the arbiter of my or anyone elses principles. Your crew said you didn't need us so live with that freely made choice.

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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #171 on: September 20, 2016, 01:16:01 am »
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Join the real debate in this election, join the real fight for our nation.  Or prove your "principles" to be no more than camouflage for bitter disappointment.   The choice is yours. 
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #172 on: September 20, 2016, 01:16:19 am »
I would like to interrupt this navel-gazing with the truth:







Ted Cruz lost.  Donald Trump won.   Personally, I no longer care if you're disappointed or angry.  It is done.  It is over.  It is history.  It is time to get the hell over it.

We are looking square into the face of terrorist cells active on American soil.  This dead-end debate, argument, one-upmanship on Trump v Cruz continues, or we get real. 

And by real I mean we choose whether or not we want Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office who has promised to increase by 500%  unvetted "refugees" from the countries in the Middle East breeding terrorists---or if we want Donald Trump who has said from day one, this Trojan Horse will be stopped at our shores.

Join the real debate in this election, join the real fight for our nation.  Or prove your "principles" to be no more than camouflage for bitter disappointment.   The choice is yours.

Nobody cares that you no longer care.  Perhaps there are terrorist cells, perhaps there are individuals who are inspired by terrorism.  Whatever.

Trump has no solution to terrorism other than this:



Now, I don't know about you, but I've never tried to eat a refugee, let alone three.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #173 on: September 20, 2016, 01:18:41 am »

Ted Cruz lost.  Donald Trump won.   Personally, I no longer care if you're disappointed or angry.  It is done.  It is over.  It is history.  It is time to get the hell over it.

POUND SAND LADY.

You have no authority whatsoever to tell us what we must do with our voice, our opinions or our vote.

You people keep outing yourselves as the greater clear and present danger to our liberties than Hillary and her hordes do.

As such - your chosen messiah and the mobs of sycophants surrounding your nominee are a greater threat to liberty than Hillary.

You people prove it every single day.

We vote for the Conservative we choose, and we will speak out against Trump's NY Liberal Statism, and I dare you and yours to try and stop us.
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Re: Republican friendships shatter over Trump
« Reply #174 on: September 20, 2016, 01:20:48 am »
@CatherineofAragon

Missing in all this was any attempt by Cruz to reach out to his 'good friend' Ben Carson to confirm the false narrative.

So, lets not pretend what Cruz did to Carson wasn't dirty because...CNN said it first.  :nono:

So clearly it follows that Trump should have "reached out" to Cruz before propagating claims from The National Enquirer that Cruz's father was implicated in the Kennedy assassination.  Agreed?
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