If you’ve reached “the end of Conservatism” because of Trump, your conservatism was pretty thin

[endicom]

We would be better to suffer 4 years of Hillary.

Four years of Hillary means thirty years of her federal judges.

[Smokin Joe]

Hot Air
Jazz Shaw
Sept. 16, 2016


I’d really hoped that we’d have seen the last of these clothes-rending pleas by the time we were down to the last seven weeks of the campaign, but apparently not. It continues to amaze me that strident anti-Trump conservatives still openly weep about how the potential election of Donald Trump as the next president will somehow spell “the end of conservatism” but that’s precisely what popped up once again from Ben Shapiro yesterday.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/16/youve-reached-end-conservatism-trump-conservatism-pretty-thin/

Conservatism will survive just fine--outside the GOP where it has been thrown under the bus for a few election cycles.  Voting for Trump will not advance Conservatism, nor will Hillary's election, so I will put my efforts elsewhere.

[sinkspur]

I'm not betting anything. This isn't like Vegas where you can choose to play or not. It's Trump or Clinton and Clinton is a socialist kleptocrat.

We have two garbage heap boomer candidates who were nominated by equally garbage heap boomer voters.

[Restored]

We lived through Carter, Clinton and Obama and the liberals lived through Reagan and Bush. In the end, it's just not as a big of a deal as we make  it out to be.

[Just_Victor]

Bingo!   If Clinton's the next President we will fight for our values, win some and lose some, and enjoy the sleep of the just.  If we help to elect Trump we will have paid the price with our souls.   Conservatism will be conflated with Trumpism,  and the causes of limited government and individual liberty will be gone with the wind.   

That's the part of this process that is the most frightening.  It is the length to which some people will go to redefine what they believe in order to support their chosen candidate.  I will likely vote for Trump, but I will not pollute what I believe to do it.

[jmyrlefuller]

Bingo!   If Clinton's the next President we will fight for our values, win some and lose some, and enjoy the sleep of the just.  If we help to elect Trump we will have paid the price with our souls.   Conservatism will be conflated with Trumpism,  and the causes of limited government and individual liberty will be gone with the wind.   

If Trump's elected, Trump automatically becomes titular head of the Republican Party and will get to dictate the agenda. Mitch McConnell will quickly fall in line and give Trump what he wants. Paul Ryan is pretty weak and will do whatever someone of higher status tells him. Even the "Freedom Caucus" in the House has shown willingness to cut deals instead of push the agenda. Without the Republican Party (and you can bet the Democrats aren't going to help us either), conservatism will have very little voice in Washington—only a few voices in the Senate like Lee, Cruz and occasionally Rand Paul—the types who are willing to challenge leadership.

That's part of the reason I'm more supportive of going third party this time around: if Option 3 gets elected, the party loyalty factor isn't there. Congress isn't going to go along with a President Gary Johnson's dumb ideas (for example) just because they're Republicans. They will if it's President Donald Trump.

[endicom]

We have two garbage heap boomer candidates who were nominated by equally garbage heap boomer voters.

And too many garbage posters saying nothing.

[aligncare]

I never was conservative because conservatives, by and large, will grow government for their purposes. In that sense I am more libertarian in that I wouldn't grow government.

Hillary is the present worst case as POTUS. Trump is to be determined.

Agree.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't lick any boots but Guthrie certainly did. He was "anti-war" until Barbarossa and then became the big anti-fascist.

Sorry, flub, but you won't get Hillary as POTUS.

Your point? Woody Guthrie isn't running for president as a recently converted(?) NY Liberal Democrat now flying the elephant flag.

[aligncare]

Four years of Hillary means thirty years of her federal judges.

You can't talk to people who won't listen.

[aligncare]

...ie you're wasting effort.

[Sanguine]

We lived through Carter, Clinton and Obama and the liberals lived through Reagan and Bush. In the end, it's just not as a big of a deal as we make  it out to be.

And, freedom and liberty lost ground with each one of them, and that ground has never been regained.

[driftdiver]

We lived through Carter, Clinton and Obama and the liberals lived through Reagan and Bush. In the end, it's just not as a big of a deal as we make  it out to be.

A pretty naive position.

[driftdiver]

You can't talk to people who won't listen.

The judges Trump installs will likely be the exact same people as Hillary would.

[endicom]

Your point? Woody Guthrie isn't running for president as a recently converted(?)

Would you choose Che as your avatar? Would you call fascist who would block Hillary's election? Would you call boot-licker who would block Hillary's election?

Is that how conservatives act?

NY Liberal Democrat now flying the elephant flag.

You know that this 'New York liberal' chant is a slur, right?   

[Restored]

You know that this 'New York liberal' chant is a slur, right?

Do you need to go to your Safe Space?

[aligncare]

Just to clarify. I didn't say stop talking to people who disagree. I said "People who won't listen."

#NeverTrumpers have said they've made up their mind and they spend most of their time slandering Donald Trump. You can't "convince them" off their position. They've chosen the hill to die on.

Just as I have. Never Trump could never convince me off of my decision to support the Republican nominee. I will vote for Donald J Trump and thus make it that much more difficult for Hillary Clinton to steal the White House.

[sinkspur]

And too many garbage posters saying nothing.

Absolutely the case.  So what's your excuse?

[Oceander]

/snicker

More insults masquerading as "argument" from trumpers

[sinkspur]

Would you choose Che as your avatar? Would you call fascist who would block Hillary's election? Would you call boot-licker who would block Hillary's election?

Is that how conservatives act?

You know that this 'New York liberal' chant is a slur, right?

A slur?  Don't make us laugh.  If it's true, how is it a slur?

[Longmire]

I should take seriously someone choosing a self-described communist for an avatar? 

 I'll second that, Guthrie was a US communist party 'known associate' for years.

[mystery-ak]

If the insults don't stop I will lock this thread

[endicom]

Do you need to go to your Safe Space?

I am my safe space.

[txradioguy]

You can't talk to people who won't listen.

Pot meet kettle.

[jmyrlefuller]

Four years of Hillary means thirty years of her federal judges.

Do I really have to bring up Earl Warren again? This is getting tiring.