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Every time I hear about "Reagan's Amnesty" I write off the dishonesty.

Reagan's amnesty was a very small number. Congress turned it into an endless flood of millions.

I didn't want to assume that @TomSea was just trying to deflect from the actual topic of the thread.  Perhaps I misunderstood his point?

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Quite simple, Levin... I ain't the one voting for him. I sleep fine at night.

My first thought.

Why did Mark say he was voting for a socialist in the first place?  He knows who Trump is.  Where's his backbone?
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My first thought.

Why did Mark say he was voting for a socialist in the first place?  He knows who Trump is.  Where's his backbone?

Right!

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My first thought.

Why did Mark say he was voting for a socialist in the first place?  He knows who Trump is.  Where's his backbone?

His backbone?  I don't think that's a reasonable criticism.  Levin has held out against a torrent of criticism and bile and only very reluctantly and very late in the cycle did he say that he would vote for Trump.  He is not and never has been a "Trump supporter".

It's a simple calculation: Trump=probably bad; Clinton=really, really bad. 

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My first thought.

Why did Mark say he was voting for a socialist in the first place?  He knows who Trump is.  Where's his backbone?

I am not as hard on Levin as others will be... I can understand those who will inevitably pull for the big rhinestone 'R' - Lord knows, I was there for years. But Levin is disappointing - It isn't that he ought to know better - He DOES know better.

Even so, like so many others (and more to come)...

Unlike my unbridled disgust at those like Coulter - psychophants... Ingram is one I'd have never thought it of.
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His backbone?  I don't think that's a reasonable criticism.  Levin has held out against a torrent of criticism and bile and only very reluctantly and very late in the cycle did he say that he would vote for Trump.  He is not and never has been a "Trump supporter".

It's a simple calculation: Trump=probably bad; Clinton=really, really bad.

Perhaps it's not fair.  But Mark did give in and say he would vote for Trump, knowing full well that Trump didn't have a single Conservative belief.

I just don't see how he can be so dismayed when yet another proof of Trump's liberalism comes out.

He's going to have to live with himself for his choice.  I happen to think it was, for him - a publicly known Constitutionalist - a weak decision to decide to vote for Trump.  I suppose I would have respected him more had he just voted quietly, and not proclaimed his decision on the air.

But this is just an opinion.  He's definitely not a Rush-like turncoat on principle, but I think he made a bad call.
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Every time I hear about "Reagan's Amnesty" I write off the dishonesty.

Reagan's amnesty was a very small number. Congress turned it into an endless flood of millions.

Not really the point of it... Reagan and congressional leaders stood right there and promised the American people that their amnesty deal was a one-off: ON THEIR WORD. Never again.

I wasn't for it then, and I still don't think it was right - but by golly, I expect them to hold to their promise.

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I am not as hard on Levin as others will be... I can understand those who will inevitably pull for the big rhinestone 'R' - Lord knows, I was there for years. But Levin is disappointing - It isn't that he ought to know better - He DOES know better.

Even so, like so many others (and more to come)...

Unlike my unbridled disgust at those like Coulter - psychophants... Ingram is one I'd have never thought it of.

I'm definitely not putting Levin in the same category as the "psychophants"  (I like that!), but I'm still disappointed that someone who knows and loves the Constitution like Mark does, said publicly that he was going to vote for him anyway.

Maybe it's just because he gave the trolls and idolaters ammunition.  He put himself in the same category as those who wouldn't recognize the Constitution if it knocked them upside the head..... a vote for socialism.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Maybe it's just because he gave the trolls and idolaters ammunition. 

And they DO strut and preen so...

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He put himself in the same category as those who wouldn't recognize the Constitution if it knocked them upside the head..... a vote for socialism.

The same happened with Romney (not Levin per se) - A good portion of the 'conservative media' wound up in the sack with him too... Not that it mattered in the end.

If I disowned everyone who wound up too weak to stand, I'd have gone through the most of them years past.
What is more important to me is to emphasize those who do not falter - Among these stalwarts (yourself included), I find the best of companions.

The rest are to be expected - and for the most part, pitied for their insipid nature when the rubber truly meets the road. 


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And they DO strut and preen so...

The same happened with Romney (not Levin per se) - A good portion of the 'conservative media' wound up in the sack with him too... Not that it mattered in the end.

If I disowned everyone who wound up too weak to stand, I'd have gone through the most of them years past.
What is more important to me is to emphasize those who do not falter - Among these stalwarts (yourself included), I find the best of companions.

The rest are to be expected - and for the most part, pitied for their insipid nature when the rubber truly meets the road.

I'll admit to being on the wrong side of the debate in the fairly recent past (voting for McCain and Romney, knowing their faults).  While always believing fully in the Constitution, I had given up that any President could ever live up to them so always voted "R."  I had given up on the small government ideal, so factored it out in my decision.

This time.... with Trump......... I can go no farther because he is so openly and blatantly leftist, and still no one seems to care.   While he's lying about some things, he still is declaring his liberalism, and watching the contortions his lackeys go to in order to excuse everything has just been astounding....... and disturbing.

He's not even a "moderate" Republican.  He's full out Democrat, and still his followers, famous and not, proclaim fealty to him.

Before this election, I was a Conservative Republican.  Now I don't believe that such a thing exists.  And my belief that a return to Constitutional principles is the only thing that can keep America alive has grown stronger. 

I'm not going back.
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

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I'll admit to being on the wrong side of the debate in the fairly recent past (voting for McCain and Romney, knowing their faults).  While always believing fully in the Constitution, I had given up that any President could ever live up to them so always voted "R."  I had given up on the small government ideal, so factored it out in my decision.

I have been fighting this fight at least that far back - I barely voted for Dubya the first time through, and the second, with his calling me a nativist, and with the spending, was a very touchy business.

McCain is an avowed enemy of Conservatives. Romney is just as liberal as his daddy (that particular apple didn't fall far from the horse). I flatly could not vote for either of them, and Palin was less than effective, at least with me.

I think you would have found the level of acrimony was almost as bad in those races had you been as insistent then.

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Before this election, I was a Conservative Republican.  Now I don't believe that such a thing exists.  And my belief that a return to Constitutional principles is the only thing that can keep America alive has grown stronger. 

I'm not going back.

Steady onward - There are far more of us than there are of them - I swear, we really need another Limbaugh 'See, I Told You So' moment.

All of this is just bread ad circuses. REAL damage will only be done if Trump actually wins the election... and especially so with a mandate. But that has been the case for the last two election cycles anyway. If the GOPe ever does succeed at winning with a liberal, it will be a useless venue for Conservatives thereafter. The comes the long work of lifting up another party - ad with little time to succeed.

But if he loses...

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I'll admit to being on the wrong side of the debate in the fairly recent past (voting for McCain and Romney, knowing their faults).  While always believing fully in the Constitution, I had given up that any President could ever live up to them so always voted "R."  I had given up on the small government ideal, so factored it out in my decision.

This time.... with Trump......... I can go no farther because he is so openly and blatantly leftist, and still no one seems to care.   While he's lying about some things, he still is declaring his liberalism, and watching the contortions his lackeys go to in order to excuse everything has just been astounding....... and disturbing.

He's not even a "moderate" Republican.  He's full out Democrat, and still his followers, famous and not, proclaim fealty to him.

Before this election, I was a Conservative Republican.  Now I don't believe that such a thing exists.  And my belief that a return to Constitutional principles is the only thing that can keep America alive has grown stronger. 

I'm not going back.

My only quibble with these comments is that when we get to the point of voting for a seriously under-qualified candidate we've already lost.  We know that the Dems are never going to put forth a candidate that we could agree with, so it's the R or nothing.  And, our R's have been nothings for some time now. 

And, yes, I voted for Romney and McCain too.  Very reluctantly, for what it's worth - probably nothing.
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My only quibble with these comments is that when we get to the point of voting for a seriously under-qualified candidate we've already lost.  We know that the Dems are never going to put forth a candidate that we could agree with, so it's the R or nothing.  And, our R's have been nothings for some time now.

And continuing to vote for those nothings is about as effective as giving a drug addict money to stay sober.

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My only quibble with these comments is that when we get to the point of voting for a seriously under-qualified candidate we've already lost.  We know that the Dems are never going to put forth a candidate that we could agree with, so it's the R or nothing.  And, our R's have been nothings for some time now. 

And, yes, I voted for Romney and McCain too.  Very reluctantly, for what it's worth - probably nothing.

I suppose it's only quibbling, because we clearly are in agreement with all the basics, but I believed (and still believe) that there would have been differences between a McCain or Romney administration and the horror we've gotten with Obama..... so I guess I wouldn't call either of them "nothings."  (I know others strongly disagree with that).

This time we are getting a carbon copy of Hillary with Trump.  He doesn't believe a single thing we do about conservative principles.  He doesn't believe ONE thing I believe.  That wasn't true with either McCain or Romney....... as bad as they were.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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I voted with pride and enthusiasm for both McCain and Romney.  Sure,  neither agreed with me on all issues,  but each was recognizably conservative, especially on issues that matter most to me,  and - MOST IMPORTANT -  each was a distinguished and honorable man. 

Trump's a complete mess,  lacks honor and even common decency, exhibits an alarming degree of narcissism and megalomania, and appeals to racialism and racists just as surely as Al Sharpton does. 

The fact that he might make better SCOTUS picks than Hillary would doesn't cause me to disregard what my brain tells me - the man's a dangerous flippin' menace.   

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Where in the Constitution does it prohibit assisting working families through changes in federal tax laws?

How is lowering someone's federal taxes and expanding individual choice Socialism?
It doesn't have to. Unless it is specifically stated as a power of the federal government please see amendments 9 and 10.
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The fact that he might make better SCOTUS picks than Hillary would doesn't cause me to disregard what my brain tells me - the man's a dangerous flippin' menace.

How can we be sure of that now?
If he is willing to make proposals outside the original scope of the federal government, why would he nominate judges that would place limits on that power?

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I'll admit to being on the wrong side of the debate in the fairly recent past (voting for McCain and Romney, knowing their faults).  While always believing fully in the Constitution, I had given up that any President could ever live up to them so always voted "R."  I had given up on the small government ideal, so factored it out in my decision.

This time.... with Trump......... I can go no farther because he is so openly and blatantly leftist, and still no one seems to care.   While he's lying about some things, he still is declaring his liberalism, and watching the contortions his lackeys go to in order to excuse everything has just been astounding....... and disturbing.

He's not even a "moderate" Republican.  He's full out Democrat, and still his followers, famous and not, proclaim fealty to him.

Before this election, I was a Conservative Republican.  Now I don't believe that such a thing exists.  And my belief that a return to Constitutional principles is the only thing that can keep America alive has grown stronger. 

I'm not going back.
It is much the same here. Conservatives will have to regroup under a different banner, a difficult thing to do in the midst of battle. While I would not exclude those who have held their noses and voted Republican in the past (as have most of us), this time it is different. Then we had a hope of some conservative scraps from a moderate table. Now the dishes are all from the left side of the menu.

The reluctant I understand, the enthusiastic supporters of this candidate can dig their own hole (as they have), they aren't sharing mine. I am not so surprised that, in the end, we are few.   People like Rush made 'conservative' a popular brand, but like Harley Davidson, there are far more t-shirts and baubles than riders or bikes. This is one of those times which weeds out the wannabes, those more enamored of appearances than principles. A few will follow reluctantly out of desperation. Small wonder so many eagerly embraced someone who is far more image than substance.

Those of us who stand on principle will stand together, back to back if need be, and continue to fight as we can for the Constitutional Republic that we embrace, either by birthright or as newcomers who recognize the wisdom inherent in the form of government our Founders intended, and the beauty of the Liberty that government was to leave unmolested.

If we count those who reluctantly follow that banner out of fear of being completely disenfranchised, I think we are far greater in number than most want to admit. Those who were strongly for Liberty in the original fight were only a third of the population, and those who fought a mere three percent.
So be of good cheer, the conflict is far from over, and the lines are just getting sorted out. During the Revolution, the patriots lost most of their battles, but won the war in the end.

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People like Rush made 'conservative' a popular brand, but like Harley Davidson, there are far more t-shirts and baubles than riders or bikes.

I now look at Rush Limbaugh the way I do pastors and preachers who have embraced Chrislam and Homosexual marriage and promote it from their pulpits.

They are apostates to the truth - and I no longer regard anything they have to say as worthy of consideration.

They have defiled themselves.

Levin, so far - while I disagree with his choice - has not engaged in pushing Trump or belittling those of us who refuse to support or vote for him.

The moment he does - he will find one less listener and subscriber.
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It is much the same here. Conservatives will have to regroup under a different banner, a difficult thing to do in the midst of battle. While I would not exclude those who have held their noses and voted Republican in the past (as have most of us), this time it is different. Then we had a hope of some conservative scraps from a moderate table. Now the dishes are all from the left side of the menu.

The reluctant I understand, the enthusiastic supporters of this candidate can dig their own hole (as they have), they aren't sharing mine. I am not so surprised that, in the end, we are few.   People like Rush made 'conservative' a popular brand, but like Harley Davidson, there are far more t-shirts and baubles than riders or bikes. This is one of those times which weeds out the wannabes, those more enamored of appearances than principles. A few will follow reluctantly out of desperation. Small wonder so many eagerly embraced someone who is far more image than substance.

Those of us who stand on principle will stand together, back to back if need be, and continue to fight as we can for the Constitutional Republic that we embrace, either by birthright or as newcomers who recognize the wisdom inherent in the form of government our Founders intended, and the beauty of the Liberty that government was to leave unmolested.

If we count those who reluctantly follow that banner out of fear of being completely disenfranchised, I think we are far greater in number than most want to admit. Those who were strongly for Liberty in the original fight were only a third of the population, and those who fought a mere three percent.
So be of good cheer, the conflict is far from over, and the lines are just getting sorted out. During the Revolution, the patriots lost most of their battles, but won the war in the end.

Thanks for the encouragement @Smokin Joe .  I hope you are right in saying we are far greater in number than most want to admit.   Sometimes I feel like you could put us all in an NFL football stadium we are so few.

I guess we'll find out what happens after this debacle of an election, and see who's left standing.

All I know is that there won't be many so-called conservative talking heads among us.....  they may be wearing the T shirt, but they don't own a bike.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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I see Levin is not loving his ride on the Trump Train.   000hehehehe



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And my belief that a return to Constitutional principles is the only thing that can keep America alive has grown stronger. 

I'm not going back.

I often think George F. Will was right when he wrote, about three decades ago, that the only law that should
be written and passed by the next Congress and signed by the next president should read: Resolved: No
law written by Congress and signed by the president shall be considered legal and binding until every one
of them can prove he or she has read it at least once.


Unfortunately, it wouldn't work today. We're about to choose between a pair of presidential candidates, and
consecrate a Congress, whose ability to read, never mind to think, is extremely debatable.
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Levin worked for President Reagan, he always makes us know that very well.

We love Reagan but from his amnesty and on down the line, we can nitpick at all politicians.
But MOOOOOMMMM everybody is doing it! Didn't you try this the other day?
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Every time I hear about "Reagan's Amnesty" I write off the dishonesty.

Reagan's amnesty was a very small number. Congress turned it into an endless flood of millions.
Reagan also learned the dishonesty of the "will give you something you want if you give us something we want" democrat ploy. Why we have been repeating that mistake over and over again is beyond me.
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Common theme in reading the Hate Always Squad around the internet. Very long on infantile insults and childish bile lace tirades and completely vacant of any sort of rational, reasoned argument against Trump.

Use to be Conservatives thought, Leftists felt. Sad to see that so many supposed "Conservatives" are actually no different the than Leftists they claim to scorn.
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