Donald Trump Unveils Child Care Subsidy Aimed at Women, Suburban Swing Voters (Mandatory Paid Maternity Leave)

[sinkspur]

If someone says they are going to cut spending by getting rid of "waste, fraud, and abuse" they really aren't serious about cutting spending.

Of course.  This is nothing but pandering.  Trump knows a GOP Congress would never approve ANY of this.

[roamer_1]

Reagan's 11th Commandment was actually a tongue in cheek comment by California Republican Party Chairman Gaylord Parkinson. In his 1990 autobiography An American Life, Reagan explained he followed it 'as a politician' not criticizing opponents.

Even if it IS applied, the idea is that if one agrees 85% with you, that isn't an enemy.

Go ahead - Someone just try to defend Trump as an 85% Conservative - You'll lose so bad it isn't even funny.
This isn't about voting for someone that is close to our thinking. This is about throwing out our thinking for the cause of expediency in electing the lesser evil.

NOT_gonna_happen. Period.

[Mom MD]

Of course.  This is nothing but pandering.  Trump knows a GOP Congress would never approve ANY of this.

I would hope not, but the GOP isnt what it used to be....

On the other hand, I'm so glad to see another person wants to give away my hard earned money.  I always though it was funny that no one thinks it costs high income folks anything to raise their kids.  I have to pay a nanny so I can go to work and earn money to give to others.....but I cannot deduct that expense because I make too much. 

I stayed home with my kids when they were young, but now raising a grandchild that is no longer an option.  I have to work to cover obligations to my kids in grad school and other responsibilities taken on when I thought my family was raised.  If this passes, I will have to work more days to pay for other peoples children at the detriment of my own.  I love socialism.  /rant off

[sinkspur]

How is Trump any different from Hillary?

I'll laugh when Ivanka persuades Trump to turn pro-choice a month from now.

[sinkspur]

 
David Duke
‏@DrDavidDuke
I hope our people have realized #TrumpWasRight, there's still time to get on the #TrumpTrain!

#BasketOfDeplorables

[Norm Lenhart]

Even if it IS applied, the idea is that if one agrees 85% with you, that isn't an enemy.

Go ahead - Someone just try to defend Trump as an 85% Conservative - You'll lose so bad it isn't even funny.
This isn't about voting for someone that is close to our thinking. This is about throwing out our thinking for the cause of expediency in electing the lesser evil.

NOT_gonna_happen. Period.

I used to challenge people openly to find 5% conservatism in Romney's record he didn't contradict. Not one taker in 4 years.

Trump is the same type. There is no conservatism in the actual record of the man and thats why many of his apologists try labeling us purists so as to detract from his liberal history.  Not our fault. We didnt make his liberal choices in life.

[ABX]

Great Ivanka Trump speech in favor of Hillary Clinton’s agenda.

— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke)

September 13, 2016

[sinkspur]

David Duke
‏@DrDavidDuke
I hope our people have realized #TrumpWasRight, there's still time to get on the #TrumpTrain!

#BasketOfDeplorables

I'm trying to figure out if Duke is attempting to destroy Trump.

[Fantom]

Of course.  This is nothing but pandering.  Trump knows a GOP Congress would never approve ANY of this.

    If only.

If only the GOP were like Ted. You would be correct.

[Longmire]

No presumption, the fact sheet on the proposal was released. It is specifically expanding the required unemployment insurance program.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/fact-sheet-donald-j.-trumps-new-child-care-plan

As it is mandatory, think of it as Obamacare for childcare.

The fact sheet says the cost is fully off-set and will not affect hiring decisions. They talk about tax deductions not mandates and it says nothing at all about any additional middleman.

So the question becomes are you being willfully deceitful here @AbaraXas or speaking from ignorance?

[sinkspur]

The fact sheet says the cost is fully off-set and will not affect hiring decisions. They talk about tax deductions not mandates and it says nothing at all about any additional middleman.

So the question becomes are you being willfully deceitful here @AbaraXas or speaking from ignorance?

LOL!  The cost is "offset" by eliminating "waste, fraud, and abuse" in the Unemployment Insurance program. In other words, it's not offset.

Of course it will affect hiring decisions.  No employer is going to hire a woman of childbearing age when he knows he has to let her stay off the job for six weeks.

Yes, there are tax deductions involved in the childcare portion of it, which translates into direct welfare payments via EITC to those families who don't pay income taxes. And the six weeks of paid leave IS MANDATORY.

You feel good about this?  About Trump involving the government in business decisions?  You know, of course, that NONE of Trump's companies provide paid maternity leave, nor does the company that manufactures Ivanka's dresses.

[DB]

The proposal also calls for providing six weeks of paid maternity leave through unemployment benefits to parents whose employers don’t offer paid maternity leave.

The alternative would be to pay unemployment benefits to the mother for a longer period after she loses her job for not being available to work due to her pregnancy. The Trump approach may also keep single mothers off welfare by providing an incentive to stay employed.

Hard to see how this doesn't score well with values voters.

No genius. It will simply mean employers will avoid hiring women of childbearing age if they can. Just like many employees have 30 hour work weeks because of Obama care.

[XenaLee]

Trump is all about mandates on business.  After all, if a business wants to move some operations offshore, he will stop them from doing so or impose punitive taxes.

If an offshore business wants to bring goods into the United States, Trump will tax those goods to the tune of 35%, thus raising the prices you pay.

Donald Trump, authoritarian.

Trump is also one of those "tax the rich" liberals.  At one point....back in '99, he wanted a 14.25% tax on ""the rich"" to eliminate the national debt.  Notice....how he never even mentions the national debt NOW.  Good thing....since he's proposing yet more 'big government' giveaways and freebies....apparently in competition with his good friend Hillary re: who can pander for votes the mostest and the bestest.

[Hoodat]

Trump just went full liberal.  Never go full liberal.

[jmyrlefuller]

No genius. It will simply mean employers will avoid hiring women of childbearing age if they can. Just like many employees have 30 hour work weeks because of Obama care.

While that would be a boom to people like me who have been shut out of job opportunities because the pretty face gets hired, do you really think employers are going to risk the wrath of the EEOC doing that?

[geronl]

I'm guessing that you are referring to, "big government Statist" (likely correct, if not nearly as bad on his worst day than Hill-O-Lies on her best) and Trump has a history of that for sure. NOT GOOD!!

What I always say about his leftist (anti-conservative) proclivities is that Trump may be able to better obtain a second term if he moves right and away from his leftist inclinations, since conservatism generally is a synonym for "intelligent" and for that reason, more likely to be a guideline for effective policy-making. 

He won't move rightward, he has a visceral hatred of conservatives

[geronl]

The fact sheet says the cost is fully off-set and will not affect hiring decisions. They talk about tax deductions not mandates and it says nothing at all about any additional middleman.

The fact sheet is far too simplistic and unrealistic then. A small business forced to pay 6 weeks leaves while hiring their replacement could be put out of business

[ABX]

This time last year, if I presented you with a candidate who said they supported:

Touchback Amnesty
A 'virtual' wall
Paid maternity leave paid for through forced unemployment insurance
A wealth tax
Government action on global warming
Opposition to fracking
And so much more.....

you probably would have thought I was talking about

[Luis Gonzalez]

Attempting to reduce the election to one or two issues then claiming that this is an indication of no significant difference? Just sayin'. Can you say, "Supreme Court appointments"?

You'll probably fail to see the irony in that statement.

Or this one, coming from a Trump supporter and talking to a bunch of people that followed the primaries as closely as most of us here did,

"I note that Ronald Reagan's picture is on this website's header, but that many who post here against the Republican candidate have absolutely no respect for the Eleventh Commandment."

[LMAO]

 

I'm interested in knowing what the pure "conservative" child/elder care plan would look like.

Please ... tell me.

This is the liberal mindset that  we need a government program to "solve" all of life's difficulties. You're also using the same type of statement that the left used against those who opposed Obamacare.

Which is further proof that underneath every Trump supporter is a leftist waiting to get out

[Luis Gonzalez]

This is the liberal mindset that  we need a government program to "solve" all of life's difficulties

[Bigun]

Anyone still want to know why I can't vote for Trump?

[Longmire]

It will simply mean employers will avoid hiring women of childbearing age if they can. Just like many employees have 30 hour work weeks because of Obama care.

The paid leave is fully offset in the proposal so no hiring decisions will be affected.

Read the proposal and see for yourself or remain ignorant, its your choice.

[Longmire]

A small business forced to pay 6 weeks leaves while hiring their replacement could be put out of business

Good thing Trump's proposal doesn't do that then isn't it?

[sinkspur]

The paid leave is fully offset in the proposal so no hiring decisions will be affected.

Read the proposal and see for yourself or remain ignorant, its your choice.

It is not offset.  "Waste, fraud, and abuse" from the Unemployment Insurance program is a solution from someone who has no solution.  It's never worked before and Trump can't make it work.