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Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« on: September 10, 2016, 01:35:13 am »
The GOP nominee's biggest supporters are suddenly lining up to lavish praise on a dictator.
By Sophia Tesfaye / Salon September 9, 2016
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After telling a room full of military veterans during NBC News’ “Commander-in-Chief Forum” that their current Commander-in-Chief is a weaker leader than Russian President Vladmir Putin, citing the dictator’s high approval rating, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump appeared on the Kremlin-funded news outlet Russia Today to defend the former KGB officer from allegations of hacking into the Democratic National Committee — and now many of his most prominent campaign surrogates are following suit.

“I think it’s probably unlikely,” Trump told RT America’s Larry King on Thursday, suggesting that “maybe the Democrats are putting that out — who knows?” Putin has called the hack of Democratic officials’ email accounts a “public service” but has denied Russian involvement.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump said back in July.


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Re: Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 02:14:55 am »
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Re: Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 02:42:40 am »
This is the type of publication from which spam biased liberal crap is being posted here almost hourly.

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2016, 11:55:21 am »
This is the type of publication from which spam biased liberal crap is being posted here almost hourly.

AlterNet:

"Don Hazen is the executive director of the Independent Media Institute and executive editor of the two-time Webby award-winning news site, AlterNet.org. AlterNet has been a top content provider in the progressive and independent media world since 1997, with consistently increasing audiences currently averaging 7 million unique visitors per month. The former publisher of Mother Jones magazine, Hazen has edited and co-edited several books, "

Trump's admiration of Putin wasn't just from the other night. He has a history of  soft praise of thug dictators.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controversial-dictators-leaders-donald-trump-praised/story?id=40373481

And
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/03/11/trump-called-tiananmen-square-massacre-riot-china-telling-debate/

So mock the source if it makes you feel better. However, Trump's own words are the issue. Not the source

The fact that some are not even remotely disturbed by Trump's own words tells me too many of his supporters will be happy with authoritarianism as long as "their" guy is the authority.  The problem is, they assume he will always love them.
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Re: Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2016, 12:22:56 pm »
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that America didn't DESERVE Ronald Reagan.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2016, 12:47:52 pm »
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that America didn't DESERVE Ronald Reagan.

I don't think we're going to see any "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" moments from a President Trump
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2016, 12:49:58 pm »
I don't think we're going to see any "Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" moments from a President Trump
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If Trump does build his wall one might hear the phrase "tear down this wall" from the Mexican president.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2016, 01:02:16 pm »
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that America didn't DESERVE Ronald Reagan.

I think the country that existed in 1980 DID deserve Ronald Reagan.

And I also think that America has degenerated so far in values and character that we probably deserve either Clinton or Trump.

Other than within a small minority, our integrity is gone.
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Re: Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2016, 01:23:47 pm »
I think the country that existed in 1980 DID deserve Ronald Reagan.

And I also think that America has degenerated so far in values and character that we probably deserve either Clinton or Trump.

Other than within a small minority, our integrity is gone.

I think that....with our parents' generation passing away.....that strength of character and morals has also passed away.  Compared to the screeching hordes of 60's lefties and the influx of savages bent on destroying America from within.....we conservatives that hold to our principles are now a scant few, it seems.  So goes the fall of another nation....in this case, the greatest nation that ever existed on planet earth.
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Re: Trump Is Helping Turn the Party of Reagan Into the Party of Putin
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2016, 01:26:02 pm »
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that America didn't DESERVE Ronald Reagan.

No.  America got the leader it deserved at that time.  Just as....we are getting the "leader" we deserve now.  America has changed radically from the Reagan years, in case you haven't noticed.  We've been...

fundamentally transformed.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2016, 01:44:21 pm »
I think that....with our parents' generation passing away.....that strength of character and morals has also passed away.  Compared to the screeching hordes of 60's lefties and the influx of savages bent on destroying America from within.....we conservatives that hold to our principles are now a scant few, it seems.  So goes the fall of another nation....in this case, the greatest nation that ever existed on planet earth.

I completely agree.

I think it was Robert Bork in Slouching Towards Gomorrah who said that every generation of teenagers has rebelled against authority, but when they became adults grew into the morality of their parents.  The 60's teenagers (a few of us excluded) succeeded in their rebellion and changed the culture...... and unfortunately, many of the parents sank to the low moral level of the rebels.  (Many parents in the "greatest generation" who had come through a Depression and a World War, unfortunately spoiled their children)

In the 70's and 80's there were still enough people of character to maintain a level of integrity in the culture.  As that generation died off, the entire culture has sunk into the abyss........... again with a small minority excepted.

That is why we, as a country "deserve" two degenerates as the nominees of our two major parties.

We did "deserve" Reagan, because we were a far better country then.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2016, 01:47:38 pm »
Trump's admiration of Putin wasn't just from the other night. He has a history of  soft praise of thug dictators.
@truth_seeker Look at the selective outrage...at least we know Trump won't be doing this.



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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2016, 01:56:15 pm »
And Hillary wants war with Russia, like Bill did when we went into Kosovo.

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2016, 02:02:41 pm »
@truth_seeker Look at the selective outrage...at least we know Trump won't be doing this.



Nah. He prefers to sociallise with them. Get in a round or two, you know?

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2016, 02:02:42 pm »
@truth_seeker Look at the selective outrage...at least we know Trump won't be doing this.



Bush was complimentary with Putin as well and is known for that if no one else said it.

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Bush and Putin: Best of friends
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1392791.stm

I don't care for Putin, I did my effort in 2012 when Romney correctly identified Russia as a threat. What are we doing to do?

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It's a matter of record; but even Reagan wasn't perfect; he looks perfect in hindsight and is certainly the best in my recollection.

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2016, 02:09:38 pm »
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Sorry, boys. You both fail at your weak attempts to defend Trump on this. It isn't just Putin Trump has expressed a certain amount of admiration for.

Not that I'm under any illusion  neither of you will be convinced of anything but check out my links a few posts up with Trump's own words and it'll be clear there is a very disturbing pattern

My hunch is you both are disturbed by Trump's soft admiration of thug dictators but don't want to condemn him so you both are resorting to " they too's"

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2016, 02:24:40 pm »
My hunch is you both are disturbed by Trump's soft admiration of thug dictators but don't want to condemn him so you both are resorting to " they too's"

Not to answer for him - he's perfectly capable of doing so - but I wager you are right regarding Tom. He's no pom-pom shaker for Trump and will readily admit Trump has flaws, some serious (he posted about it at length once). But Trump's the candidate that is in the race, and while I can't agree with supporting Trump, I can accept and respect why Tom does.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2016, 02:27:44 pm »
Nah. He prefers to sociallise with them. Get in a round or two, you know?



In this case, that newspaper quoted is from Abu Dhabi, UAE, UAE funded the Egyptian military to throw out the Muslim Brotherhood, UAE has actually done a lot of good around the region. They call CAIR a terrorist organization.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/17/us-group-cair-added-to-terror-list-by-united-arab-emirates.html

UAE, United Arab Emirates allowed Israel to open up a diplomatic office in UAE, even if it is of limited importance. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/world/middleeast/israel-to-open-diplomatic-office-in-united-arab-emirates.html

So, just posting a picture of an Arab with headdress isn't that telling.


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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2016, 02:29:34 pm »
I can accept and respect why Tom does.

Ditto

I understand why some back Trump and I have outlined why earlier. But I also understand why many don't . As for myself, as of now, I'm in the don't camp
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2016, 02:36:12 pm »
Not to answer for him - he's perfectly capable of doing so - but I wager you are right regarding Tom. He's no pom-pom shaker for Trump and will readily admit Trump has flaws, some serious (he posted about it at length once). But Trump's the candidate that is in the race, and while I can't agree with supporting Trump, I can accept and respect why Tom does.

I can accept that many reluctantly support Trump, but not Tom.

He has been reduced to spamming incessantly that GWB was a Christian killer and Reagan more dangerously pro-abortion than Trump.

He's in the tank........... hard core.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 02:45:24 pm »
@TomSea The guy with Trump is Hussain Ali Sajwani, a real estate developer in Dubai who is a friend and business partner of Trump's.

As an international mogul Trump does business in UAE, but I guarantee you won't ever see a lip-smacking photo of Trump kowtowing to Saudi Royalty.


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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2016, 02:58:40 pm »
Nah. He prefers to sociallise with them. Get in a round or two, you know?

@EC Sure...and thanks for confirming the depth and breadth of Donald Trump's hands on international experience and contacts.

I'm quite sure that will come in handy after his inauguration in 2017.

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2016, 03:04:22 pm »
I can accept that many reluctantly support Trump, but not Tom.

He has been reduced to spamming incessantly that GWB was a Christian killer and Reagan more dangerously pro-abortion than Trump.

He's in the tank........... hard core.

If the Iraq invasion started sectarianism in the region, that's just a fact. I called no one a Christian killer, word it like one wants, but the Iraq war per Iraqi Christians revved up the persecution of Christians, that is fact.

If Trump is continually trashed, this is all fair game to bring up. "Trump parked in a no parking zone" how terrible.

At the same time, I'd like to see who did not support Romney last time, are they also against Trump? Or on the other hand, they are for Trump and did not support Romney.
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Bush Administration Under Attack for Not Protecting Christian Arabs


Robert Novak had a very interesting article appear on CNS News recently titled Menaced Holy Land Christians.  Here's how the article begins...

http://www.persecutionblog.com/2006/02/bush_administra.html
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Genocide Unfolding: Death of a Catholic Assyrian Archbishop in Iraq
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After more than four years of deliberate attacks on the Christian population in Iraq, there seems to be a "momentary outrage" about the death of an archbishop. But time and time again, we have witnessed the emergence of a "momentary outrage" that falls short on impulsion. On October 11, 2006, Fr. Paulos Eskandar, a Syrian Orthodox priest was beheaded with his arms and legs hacked off. Surely that crime should have been enough to capture the world's attention and to bring about change in the treatment of the Christians in Iraq.

But how long will these cries of unjust against this latest offense last? Now that Archbishop Rahho has been laid to rest, will he, too, fade from memory like all the others before him? Or will the "momentary outrage" continue long and loud enough for the good citizens of the world to take on a more proactive role to save this nation from extinction? Will President Bush have the courage to take off his blinders or will he continue to stumble in the dark until his final day in office?

With every attack on the Christians in Iraq, I ask, "Have we reached the blistering point? Will this be the turning point for the Assyrians?" I usually find my answer when I see the stories rapidly fading.

Certainly the death of Archbishop Rahho is a great tragedy but by no means is it an isolated case and should not over shadow the systematic and targeted murder of countless other innocent Christians in Iraq.

http://www.aina.org/guesteds/20080318055924.htm

Sorry, the Trump-trashers must be honest in whom they have supported too.

MusicLady's post involves personal attacks, falsehoods, etc.  Slandering people to try to get them to quiet down, in that, Trump has been correct, double-down when people do this.

Yes, indeed, one can find a number of sources that say the Christians who are most historically aligned to Christ, where Christianity started have had it very hard due to the Iraq invasion.

Typical personal attacks by the Never-Trumpers. I'm not the topic here.  Speak on topic.



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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2016, 03:08:01 pm »
UAE and Saudi Arabia are actually fighting a proxy war in Libya vs. Qatar, Turkey and Sudan. At least, that's how it was 6 months ago. Things change.

If one looks at the stories on the Gulf States, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc. UAE seems fairly straight up and has even been called Anti-Islamic in the region.

All that said, I'm sure Trump has had dealings with Saudi Arabia; I'm not into making the Saudis, Iranians, etc. into bad guys, just looking at the facts.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2016, 03:10:48 pm »
@EC Sure...and thanks for confirming the depth and breadth of Donald Trump's hands on international experience and contacts.

I'm quite sure that will come in handy after his inauguration in 2017.

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Well played, Longmire. Well played.  :beer:

But, to seriously address something you said upthread - if Trump wins, he'll bow to the Saudi king too. Not because he's a crawler - that's one thing the arrogant SOB isn't! - but because if you don't bow to the jumped up nomad, you don't deal with Saudi, full stop. Trump knows that as well as anyone and better than most.  :shrug:
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