Trump Smashes the Moral Compass of Conservatism (Jonah Goldberg)

[aligncare]

The president is the president of all Americans not just conservative Americans. Sorry to shock you all with that news.

My parents voted Democrat. But, never, as a conservative-republican voter have I ever hated them for their vote.

The chest beating around here as to which of you is the most principled and virtuous citizen sometimes gets to be a little much.   

[endicom]

Your words are the words of a moral relativist who believes a moral compass is whatever one thinks it is.

IOW, you think the moral compass points where Jonah Goldberg says it does. Or do you have an independent moral compass? If you do then is that relativist?

[skeeter]

The chest beating around here as to which of you is the most principled and virtuous citizen sometimes gets to be a little much.   

Yes, we know.

Thanks so much for tolerating us.

[sinkspur]

IOW, you think the moral compass points where Jonah Goldberg says it does. Or do you have an independent moral compass? If you do then is that relativist?

Yes.  The fact you don't indicates a deficiency in your moral compass.  Or do you think Putin and Obama are morally equivalent?

[sinkspur]

The president is the president of all Americans not just conservative Americans. Sorry to shock you all with that news.

My parents voted Democrat. But, never, as a conservative-republican voter have I ever hated them for their vote.

The chest beating around here as to which of you is the most principled and virtuous citizen sometimes gets to be a little much.   

Nobody is chest beating personally.  We're just noting how morally corrupt you Trumpkins are.

[r9etb]

We're just noting how morally corrupt you Trumpkins are.

That's going too far. 

[TomSea]

2006, Goldberg wrote:

Jonah Goldberg: Iraq Was a Worthy Mistake
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-goldberg19oct19-column.html

Just saying, I'm not against the Iraq war necessarily but these guys definitely cheered all the way for the war.

I think Putin is a bad guy; but I also think Trump's words are being spinned.

Trump has also basically spoken out against Putin, you'd think from everything the press reports, that he's a fanboy. I don't even buy that premise.

Trump has said things like the US (leaders) were weak and this is why Russia has been able to exploit situations.

Trump tells Ukraine conference their nation was invaded because ‘there is no respect for the United States’

KIEV, UKRAINE — Plunging into a burning geopolitical conflict, Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Friday that Russia had pursued an aggressive policy in Ukraine because "there is no respect for the United States."

"[Russian President Vladimir] Putin does not respect our president whatsoever," said Trump.

But he held back from promising more U.S. support for a nation where almost 8,000 people have been killed since April 2014, saying that it was Europe's responsibility.

Read More At: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/11/trump-tells-ukraine-conference-their-nation-was-invaded-because-there-is-no-respect-for-the-united-states/

This above, does not sound like the Putin-praising Trump the media tells us about. And there are plenty of other statements I've heard him say.

[TomSea]

Note, the poster's arguments against Trump have become so weak, now one resorts to basically ad hom attacks.

[sinkspur]

Trump in Military Town Hall:  "If he (Putin) praises me, I am going to praise him."

[roamer_1]

I am stunned that such arguments are lofted on a Conservative forum.

Moral relativism and situational ethics are lawlessness, plain and simple.
The only way there can be equal protection under the law is if there is a single moral ethic - A single sense of right and wrong. in the United States and throughout the West, that ethic is the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

[sinkspur]

Note, the poster's arguments against Trump have become so weak, now one resorts to basically ad hom attacks.

Trumpism corrupts.  If you think that's an attack, you should look inside yourself.

[truth_seeker]

Note, the poster's arguments against Trump have become so weak, now one resorts to basically ad hom attacks.

The moral question: To admit more dangerous people like the San Bernardino muslim terrorist wife, or not?

The moral question: Who takes national security seriously, for things like email confidentiality?

Pushing for a Clinton victory is NOT moral.

Pushing for a Clinton victory but lying about it is NOT moral.

Hanging out on conservatives sites, telling members you are conservative (or a Deacon) but pushing liberal policies and liberal people, is NOT moral.

[catfish1957]

Hanging out on conservatives sites, telling members you are conservative (or a Deacon) but pushing liberal policies and liberal people, is NOT moral.

Next you are going to tell us that Trump is a conservative aren't you?

[endicom]

Yes.  The fact you don't indicates a deficiency in your moral compass.  Or do you think Putin and Obama are morally equivalent?

I think Putin and Obama morally deficient.

[sinkspur]

I think Putin and Obama morally deficient.

But it's OK for Trump to praise him and brag about Putin's poll ratings.

[catfish1957]

I think Putin and Obama morally deficient.

Agree.  Add Trump and Hitlerly to that list too.

[sinkspur]

The moral question: To admit more dangerous people like the San Bernardino muslim terrorist wife, or not?

The moral question: Who takes national security seriously, for things like email confidentiality?

Pushing for a Clinton victory is NOT moral.

Pushing for a Clinton victory but lying about it is NOT moral.

Hanging out on conservatives sites, telling members you are conservative (or a Deacon) but pushing liberal policies and liberal people, is NOT moral.

You should read this, TS.  It was written for YOU:

Trump's Credo for Losers

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439874/donald-trump-supporters-moral-failings

[Silver Pines]

No, I don't buy into what Neo-Cons like Jonah Goldberg say. You can be a warmonger; obviously, you don't understand Trump, he's in the mode of JFK, a visionary and peacemaker.

@TomSea

Oh, but his supporters understand him so well, right?  You know the real Trump. 

Tom, you've been asked before but have avoided responding---who are the neocons? 

[endicom]

But it's OK for Trump to praise him and brag about Putin's poll ratings.

It's a free country, so yes.

I'm free to weigh whether or how to vote. My choice, at this date, is to vote for Trump because he is not his socialist, kleptocrat opponent and because he may just shake up the Congress Club.

[Neverdul]

No, I don't buy into what Neo-Cons like Jonah Goldberg say. You can be a warmonger; obviously, you don't understand Trump, he's in the mode of JFK, a visionary and peacemaker.

I thought you alt-right folks are supposed to encase certain phrases in ((( ))), i.e. (((neo-cons))) and (((Goldberg))).

As for Kennedy, he got us into Viet Nam although it was Johnson who escalated it into an all-out war, however, Kennedy laid the ground work and disastrously so, notably by supporting rebel forces in over throwing President Diem, something that added to the political instability of South Viet Nam.


Then there was the whole Bay Of Pigs fiasco.


Kennedy was a visionary when it came to the space program, I will give him that.

[r9etb]

who are the neocons?

The "neocons" aren't really anybody in particular -- it's one of those convenient words (the dreaded "GOPe" being another) that gets tossed around, without benefit of a firm definition.

People who use the word, tend to use it as shorthand for some broad range of ideas or policies with which they, personally, disagree.   It has no clear meaning, however, and probably no agreed-upon definition between any two people, other than its efficacy as an epithet.

"Conservative" is another such word -- its general meaning seems to have devolved into "things I, personally, believe."

[Longmire]

2006, Goldberg wrote:

Jonah Goldberg: Iraq Was a Worthy Mistake
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-goldberg19oct19-column.html

Just saying, I'm not against the Iraq war necessarily but these guys definitely cheered all the way for the war.

Good post and a reminder of just how far removed from the grassroots these effete conservative 'thought leaders' have become.

Trump's election has removed many masks.

[sinkspur]

Good post and a reminder of just how far removed from the grassroots these effete conservative 'thought leaders' have become.

Trump's election has removed many masks.

Getting a  little ahead of yourself, bub.

[Sanguine]

What other wars can we do for you Jonah? Sorry, GW Bush isn't in office now. Neo-Cons like you helped ruin the Republican Party and ramp up persecution of Christians in the Middle East.

@TomSea, what exactly do you mean when you call someone a neo-con?

[Longmire]

@Longmire  The issue at hand is morality. 

Trump has no association with Putin other than to acknowledge his undeniable masculinity and prowess on the world stage. Putin said something about Trump that he liked and Trump returned the favor. Alpha males acknowledge each other, its a natural extension of their personalities.

Putin isn't Satan, he's a smart cunning Russian nationalist. Get over it.