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Offline endicom

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Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« on: September 08, 2016, 02:19:16 pm »
The emotive Never Trumpers would have been too "principled" to vote for Eisenhower when they could have had Taft so we would have had Adlai Stevenson as POTUS in 1952 and 1956. Stevenson was much a proto-Obama.

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Hint: Thoughts are not repetitive, idiotic cartoons or mindless cant like "New York liberal."

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 01:36:43 pm »
@endicom I like Ike!

The #nevertrumps will just have to get used to the idea that there is a major political realignment taking place and that they no longer control the conversation around conservatism. For far too long these effete snobs have lectured the GOP on what was needed to take the White House while at the same time badly losing two elections. Finally the base said "enuff" and nominated someone from outside the elites tight little circle of 'preferred' candidates. The reaction to Trump's rise has been illuminating, with many masks uncovered, many egos deflated, and many hidden agendas exposed.

The bottom line here is that the #nevertrumps are weak and ineffective losers who richly deserve the scorn they're reaping. Its fitting that Mitt Romney would be the poster boy for their sad little movement.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 01:45:30 pm »
@endicom I like Ike!

The #nevertrumps will just have to get used to the idea that there is a major political realignment taking place and that they no longer control the conversation around conservatism. For far too long these effete snobs have lectured the GOP on what was needed to take the White House while at the same time badly losing two elections. Finally the base said "enuff" and nominated someone from outside the elites tight little circle of 'preferred' candidates. The reaction to Trump's rise has been illuminating, with many masks uncovered, many egos deflated, and many hidden agendas exposed.

The bottom line here is that the #nevertrumps are weak and ineffective losers who richly deserve the scorn they're reaping. Its fitting that Mitt Romney would be the poster boy for their sad little movement.

Yes.  That's why your tiny contingent of Trump supporters here feel threatened by #NeverTrump.  Because we're sad and weak.

You have thrown in your lot with the Jew-haters, racists, religious bigots, white nationalists, Putin-lovers, and shower your ignorant Dear Leader with accolades.

Trump is going to be humiliated in the debates, though you no doubt equate his childish tweets and vapid phrases with brilliance.  Trump howled at the "deplorables" comment because he knows some number of his supporters fit that category and he knows that everybody else knows it too.

Have fun in your little sandbox, but don't get your hopes up about November. 
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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 02:30:13 pm »
@endicom I like Ike!

He would fall short in any conservative or libertarian litmus test.

But he got us through the minefield of the 1950s with a minimum number of KIAs.

We could have sunk back into the New Deal but didn't. We instead prospered.

We could have had some devastating or endless military adventure but didn't. He wouldn't be pressured into adventures.

We could have had some devastating racial conflicts but didn't. He took measured steps to deal with what arose.

Gee, so much 'didn't happen' stuff made the 1950s so dull.

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The #nevertrumps will just have to get used to the idea that there is a major political realignment taking place and that they no longer control the conversation around conservatism. For far too long these effete snobs have lectured the GOP on what was needed to take the White House while at the same time badly losing two elections. Finally the base said "enuff" and nominated someone from outside the elites tight little circle of 'preferred' candidates. The reaction to Trump's rise has been illuminating, with many masks uncovered, many egos deflated, and many hidden agendas exposed.

I think the overriding fact is that nothing non-leftists have done has worked. Any political realignment needs to include electing to office honest people.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 04:28:18 pm »
@endicom All good points about Eisenhower, the last non-politician to hold the highest office.




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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 04:30:50 pm »
@endicom All good points about Eisenhower, the last non-politician to hold the highest office.

Ike wasn't nuts.  He was the Supreme Commander and won a World War.  And was very reluctant to take the GOP nod for the presidency.
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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 04:38:50 pm »
He would fall short in any conservative or libertarian litmus test.

But he got us through the minefield of the 1950s with a minimum number of KIAs.

We could have sunk back into the New Deal but didn't. We instead prospered.
That prosperity was the product of a post-World War II baby boom, the invention of television and all sorts of home appliances. New Deal programs like Social Security continued unabated, along with the 90% marginal tax rates with which it was associated. The Food Stamp Program was approved under Eisenhower (it wasn't actually implemented until Kennedy, but it was Eisenhower who signed the program into law in 1959).

We could have had some devastating or endless military adventure but didn't. He wouldn't be pressured into adventures.
Does Vietnam ring a bell? Eisenhower got us into that.

We could have had some devastating racial conflicts but didn't. He took measured steps to deal with what arose.
Those racial conflicts were brought upon by Eisenhower's own appointees on the Court. Instead of addressing that the schools weren't treating segregated schools equally as required under Plessy v. Ferguson, the Court took up Brown v. Topeka and mandated forced "diversity."

Gee, so much 'didn't happen' stuff made the 1950s so dull.
Other than the appointment of Earl Warren and William Brennan, which set the stage for some of the most destructive court rulings from the Supreme Court in its history.

I think the overriding fact is that nothing non-leftists have done has worked. Any political realignment needs to include electing to office honest people.
On that we both agree. The problem is, the two candidates running are the least honest ones of the bunch.


Eisenhower is a perfect example of why Donald Trump should NOT be elected President. His supporters constantly harp on SCOTUS as the reason, as we all know Hillary will push it back to the days of Warren—but it was Eisenhower, a non-political Republican, who appointed Warren.
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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 05:32:55 pm »
We could have had some devastating or endless military adventure but didn't. He wouldn't be pressured into adventures.
Does Vietnam ring a bell? Eisenhower got us into that.

We didn't have bells, that was Navy.

Truman got us into Vietnam. Eisenhower followed up but in limited fashion.

Ike was pressured to send in the troops so he set three conditions:

1 - The French get their derrieres out of Indochina.

2 - We get a commitment of a roughly equal number of troops from at least the UK and Australia.

3 - Congress declares war.

That last condition must have come from his seeing how fickle are our elected officials. They will go into war waving flags just to denounce the war once the public loses its gung ho fervor.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 05:35:59 pm »
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One more thing - would we have been better off with Stevenson? That was the other option.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 06:04:38 pm »
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One more thing - would we have been better off with Stevenson? That was the other option.
We will never know. He didn't win.

Besides, Stevenson was, for the most part, thoughtful and honest—two thoughts that never come to mind when talking about Hillary Clinton.
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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 06:17:27 pm »
We will never know. He didn't win.

Besides, Stevenson was, for the most part, thoughtful and honest—two thoughts that never come to mind when talking about Hillary Clinton.

Or Donald Trump. Neither of them are worthy of the Presidency.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2016, 06:24:00 pm »
Or Donald Trump. Neither of them are worthy of the Presidency.

Its not your Presidency bub. You don't get to decide who is worthy, the people do.

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2016, 06:32:05 pm »
Its not your Presidency bub. You don't get to decide who is worthy, the people do.

I am a registered voter, therefore, I am one of those people who is deciding,

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 06:47:41 pm »
I am a registered voter, therefore, I am one of those people who is deciding,

One of many and your views represent a tiny faction, so come down off your high horse.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2016, 07:55:49 pm »
Eisenhower my ugly toe. He's more like FDR and Larry Fynt

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2016, 09:09:01 pm »
Eisenhower my ugly toe. He's more like FDR and Larry Fynt


Not as compared to the fainting socialist kleptocrat.

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Re: Donald Eisenhower or Hillary Stevenson?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2016, 09:13:35 pm »
One of many and your views represent a tiny faction, so come down off your high horse.

If you truly believe this, why are you and your ilk so adamant about complaining loudly any time one of us points out that your savior has no clothes (to mix metaphors)?
My political philosophy:

1) I'm not bothering anybody.
2) It's none of your business.
3) Leave me alone!

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 10:44:33 am »
Its not your Presidency bub. You don't get to decide who is worthy, the people do.
Am I not a person?
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