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Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« on: September 07, 2016, 06:35:03 pm »



Taking Ted Cruz Seriously


What does 'vote your conscience' mean for conservatives?
 
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At this year’s GOP convention, Ted Cruz famously urged the delegates — and all Republicans: “If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience. Vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.” Many observers saw this statement as an implied attack on Donald Trump, and Cruz was booed vigorously as a result. But let’s take Sen. Cruz seriously. In the 2016 election, what should a conservative do who loves his or her children and his or her country? What does your conscience suggest?

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OK, how should a disappointed conservative choose between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump? The best approach would be to draw upon the concept of prudence. In other words, make a careful assessment of life under a Clinton presidency, and life under a Trump presidency. Let's assume that the worst of what you believe about Trump is correct. Let's ignore the fact that he repeatedly argues for lower taxes, that he has identified conservatives whom he would put on the Supreme Court, that he picked a conservative running mate, and all of the other things he has said and done indicating a preference for conservative policies. Even assuming for the sake of argument that none of those promises are valid, and that Trump would devote his entire presidency to advancing harmful policies, what would happen? In the first place, he would face unrelenting scrutiny from a press corps that hates him. Any scandal involving his administration would receive vast publicity. Any mistakes would be magnified by a hostile media. Any illegality — or alleged illegality — would be met with calls for impeachment.

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Unfortunately, those factors will not limit Hillary Clinton. She has the Democratic Party in her pocket — her only serious primary opponent was Bernie Sanders, who is not a Democrat. Most of the members of the mainstream press are simply her puppets, and would do whatever was necessary to avoid putting her re-election at risk. Similarly, once Hillary Clinton has five liberals on the Supreme Court — and she will have five liberals on the Supreme Court — she can interpret any statute or re-write any regulation as she sees fit, and there's nothing anyone could do about it. What if Hillary Clinton uses the IRS to go after her political enemies? The press would cover it up, and the courts would do nothing to stop her. What if she uses the FBI to spy on people she doesn't like? The press would cover it up, and the courts would do nothing to stop her.

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That’s the world you will wake up to on Nov. 9 … a world where your constitutional rights, your state and local governments, and your country’s military would all be in the hands of a single angry liberal.


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In short, when you apply the Cruz test to this election, it is clear that conservatives of good conscience can and should support Donald Trump. Indeed, failure to do so will put our entire political system — with all of the civil liberties we hold dear — at risk. I urge those conservatives who are concerned about Trump to think very, very carefully about this election, and work with the rest of us to defeat Hillary Clinton.
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 06:57:19 pm »
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In short, when you apply the Cruz test to this election, it is clear that conservatives of good conscience can and should support Donald Trump.

And why Trump supporters insist that Cruz intended his statement to mean otherwise is beyond me.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 06:59:59 pm »
Its too bad that rather than advising use of the standard articulated by the only constitutional conservative to run this cycle, and thus leverage his considerable integrity, Ingraham didn't just support said constitutional conservative in the first place.

It'll be a long time before I forgive those who slandered this man.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2016, 07:10:48 pm »
That’s the world you will wake up to on Nov. 9 … a world where your constitutional rights, your state and local governments, and your country’s military would all be in the hands of a single angry liberal.


Yeah, that's right... no matter which major candidate gets in...
Which is why I will be voting for Castle.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 07:17:44 pm »
Yeah, that's right... no matter which major candidate gets in...
Which is why I will be voting for Castle.

Besides, her statement is inaccurate.

For the past twenty years liberal presidents & congresspeople have so infested all levels of government with radical appointees and unelected bureaucrats to carry their agenda forward - and republicans have done nothing to stop them - that it now does not matter who the president is.

I'm afraid America passed the Rubicon years ago.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2016, 07:27:11 pm »
I am undecided right now.  To the best of my knowledge Cruz has not applied to be a write in candidate on the ballots; so therefore a write-in vote for Cruz would not be counted and only be a symbolic vote; though my gut tells me he is going to receive a very significant amount of votes.

I do know that the Constitution Party has qualified and is on the ballot in FL that would be my other choice.

I'm not 100% sure right now which way I'm going to vote.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 07:41:17 pm »
For the past twenty years liberal presidents & congresspeople have so infested all levels of government with radical appointees and unelected bureaucrats to carry their agenda forward - and republicans have done nothing to stop them - that it now does not matter who the president is.

Exactly right - Liberalism is winning, but not on merit... It is winning because it has no opposition.
Such is the result of 'lesser evil' thinking.

Those that blindly associate Conservatism with the Republican Party are woefully mistaken.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2016, 07:48:18 pm »
Trump is a devout anti-conservative. He hates conservatives with a purple passion.

There is no good reason a conservative would vote for Trump.

Attacks on Ted is just one proof of it.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 07:54:51 pm »
I am undecided right now.  To the best of my knowledge Cruz has not applied to be a write in candidate on the ballots; so therefore a write-in vote for Cruz would not be counted and only be a symbolic vote; though my gut tells me he is going to receive a very significant amount of votes.

I do know that the Constitution Party has qualified and is on the ballot in FL that would be my other choice.

I'm not 100% sure right now which way I'm going to vote.

I'm not! I will not vote for either Hillary or Trump in this election EVER! 

The more Gary Johnson talks the more likely I am to write in Darrell Castle!
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2016, 07:56:58 pm »
Exactly right - Liberalism is winning, but not on merit... It is winning because it has no opposition.
Such is the result of 'lesser evil' thinking.

Those that blindly associate Conservatism with the Republican Party are woefully mistaken.


I took the liberty of making that big enough so everyone can see it with ease!  RIGHT ON!  Perfectly stated!
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2016, 08:59:34 pm »
I took the liberty of making that big enough so everyone can see it with ease!  RIGHT ON!  Perfectly stated!

I didn't need my spectacles.
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2016, 09:04:03 pm »
I'm not! I will not vote for either Hillary or Trump in this election EVER! 

The more Gary Johnson talks the more likely I am to write in Darrell Castle!

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 09:37:28 pm »
As usual, Ted Cruz continues to live rent-free in the Trump caucus's head.
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 11:09:39 pm »
It'll be a long time before I forgive those who slandered this man.

The fact that they sat and smiled politely as Trump accused Rafael Cruz of being involved in the JFK assassination sacrificed whatever journalistic credibility any of them ever had.

Its pretty bad that Jake Tapper at CNN was the first to call BS on the claim. Then to make matters worse, when Blitzer asked Trump about it he (Trump) admitted that he didn't believe it but he wanted to win. The clowns who sat politely smiling continued to do so.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2016, 11:14:47 pm »
I'm not! I will not vote for either Hillary or Trump in this election EVER! 

The more Gary Johnson talks the more likely I am to write in Darrell Castle!

Yep.

Actually, I am a down ballot voter this year.
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 01:39:57 am »
Now that's a turn for the record.  How many names have I seen Cruz called by Trump supporters  (including traitor)?  Now the argument is that voting as Cruz called on his listeners to vote means we should vote for Trump.  So why all the Cruz hate and venom?   

Is someone going to post this on TOS?
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 01:44:11 am »
And why Trump supporters insist that Cruz intended his statement to mean otherwise is beyond me.
tRump and trumpbots needed a strawman to beat up, Cruz was the last standing and posed a real danger to tRump's goals. tRump mistakenly thought staying on Cruz would help him, when in reality it has solidly tarnished tRump instead of Cruz.

As a diehard Cruz supporter, I now prescribe to the analogy of "with hitlery its like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-auto, at least with tRump we get to spin the cylinder which have some empties".
Lord help America if hitlery somehow gets elected.

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2016, 03:13:50 am »
Ingraham mocked Cruz in her convention speech, but now she's going to try and use him to coax NeverTrumpers to vote for her sleaze candidate.  She's thinking we'll be ripe for the picking because of Mark Levin's admission..all she has to do, she believes, is use the name of Cruz and his supporters will fall magically into line.  Well, she's hardly subtle, and she can step off.

I can tell her without reservation that my conscience isn't "suggesting" anything.  Rather, it's been screaming at me from the beginning to stay the hell away from Donald Trump.  And away I shall stay.

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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2016, 03:22:19 am »
This woman is an idiot that has pour all her hopes and dreams into an empty suit. Fine for her but not for me.

BTW, what is with the Trumpettes fetish with Ted Cruz? He is "Lyin' Ted" after all. Donny said that he is a worthless turd. Why do they so desperately want his endorsement?

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 03:30:24 am »
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OK, how should a disappointed conservative choose between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump? The best approach would be to draw upon the concept of prudence.

Oh great.  Another apostate telling us to essentially convert to Islam now and repent later.

Sorry lady, prudence before principles means you have no character, no core and someone who can be bought and sold for any price.

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2016, 08:08:16 am »
This woman is an idiot that has pour all her hopes and dreams into an empty suit. Fine for her but not for me.

BTW, what is with the Trumpettes fetish with Ted Cruz? He is "Lyin' Ted" after all. Donny said that he is a worthless turd. Why do they so desperately want his endorsement?

From what I can tell from Trump supporters on Facebook and elsewhere, Trump needs to have everyone kneel and worship him.  His Mack Truck-size ego can't stand that Ted Cruz and others  will not kiss his ring.   

Trumpies also believe that an endorsement from Cruz will bring Trump votes from Ted Cruz supporters.  They're wrong.  An endorsement from Ted Cruz will only serve to alienate Cruz's supporters, and Cruz needs their votes if he wants to win re-election to the Senate.  Cruz is a smart man.  I can't believe he would be foolish enough to risk losing his supporters by endorsing Trump. 

Trump appears to be mentally ill.  He has an unhealthy obsession with Ted Cruz and anyone else who refuses to vote for or support him.  That obsession has been adopted by many of the Trumpies too. So much has been made of Hilary's alleged health issues.  When will there be questions about Trump's health, physical and mental?

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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2016, 10:24:23 am »

As a diehard Cruz supporter, I now prescribe to the analogy of "with hitlery its like playing Russian Roulette with a semi-auto, at least with tRump we get to spin the cylinder which have some empties".
Lord help America if hitlery somehow gets elected.

As I said to a friend the other day:  so our choices are one candidate who in all likelihood will turn out to be a maniacal Nazi or the other candidate who really wants to be a maniacal Nazi.
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Re: Taking Ted Cruz Seriously
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2016, 03:40:08 pm »

It'll be a long time before I forgive those who slandered this man.


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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2016, 03:51:02 pm »
It'll be a long time before I forgive those who slandered this man.

Word.  And...Trump fans still do.
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