Hey #NeverTrumps: This Could Be Your Last Relevant Election

[bilo]

I recognize that the Trump supporters don't want me in the "new" Pub party. No problem, I'm moving on. As I discussed this with my wife I much rather vote for the Constitution Party nominee than support one evil over another evil. I can live with the results. I will not vote for a candidate of low character.

[sneakypete]

NO! It doesn't!  If ALL inputs are considered it takes 1.2+ units of energy to produce 1 unit of energy from corn based ethanol!

@Bigun @Longmire

ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! ETHANOL needs to be supported?????

It is one of the biggest brain farts foisted off on us by what passes for our government. It not only rusts out gas lines,melts plastic carb parts,gas tanks, and gas filters, it also LOWERS mpg and pollutes ground water to make it useless for watering crops or even drinking.

The whole ethanol program is nothing but a massive welfare scam established to benefit the Corporate Farmers that own so many of our politicians.

The fact that it is also destructive of cars and trucks also gives the enviro-whackos wood.

ANYBODY that supports ethanol use should be bitch-slapped until they cry,and then bitch-slapped more until your  hand gets tired.

[LMAO]

Repealing Obamacare seems like a big step in the right direction, as does removing the federal restrictions on health insurance competition.

Reversing Obama's horrible immigration policies will require federal action but it can hardly be called an expansion.

Likewise, ending the incentives for Common Core is federal action but not an expansion.

Finally, limited government thrives when there are conservative justices on the bench. After eight years of Obama appointments there has been a serious shift in the federal courts direction at every level.

@Longmire

I don't disagree with you on many of these points. My point is it all relies on faith that Trump will do any of this as we don't have a legislative record to judge him by. For example, he gives lip service to repealing ObamaCare yet stated he likes the mandate, the government will pay, and, if memory serves, he was the only one on that stage that gave a  shout out to the healthcare systems of Canada and Scotland. Besides, how many times have we heard candidates run in the past several years promising to repeal it only to end up funding it?  Immigration is another issue that we are left guessing his true beliefs

I do understand why people would be drawn to Trump. After years of watching an inept and submissive  GOP, I suppose being outside the political establishment is an attraction. But I understand those conservatives who also oppose him and why. And, being a Coolidge/Goldwater type conservative myself, I'm extremely skeptical of his new found conservatism and claims of what he will do if elected.

But, it's only Sept and we will agree to disagree on Trump for now, have beer together, and see, assuming he gets elected, which one of us will be right regarding Mr Trump

[sneakypete]

NO! It doesn't!  If ALL inputs are considered it takes 1.2+ units of energy to produce 1 unit of energy from corn based ethanol!

@Bigun

And that isn't even taking into consideration all the wells it pollutes,all the damage it does to engines and fuel systems,and the decreased fuel mileage.

There are good reasons leaded gas is still being made and sold for use in aircraft engines.

[sneakypete]

There's only one way left to knock me off the #NeverTrumper ledge: for Mr. Trump to exorcise the petulant 9 YO boy that's trapped inside of him.

@Night Hides Not

Ain't going to  happen. That 8 year old boy IS who he is. It's who he has always been and it will be who he always is. He was raised to believe the world exists to please him,and he will always believe it.

He is and never has been anything other than a protected Trust Fund Child with a hobby,and that hobby is "pleasing The Donald".

[Cripplecreek]

@Bigun @Longmire
ANYBODY that supports ethanol use should be bitch-slapped until they cry,and then bitch-slapped more until your  hand gets tired.

And the horse they rode in on.

[Smokin Joe]

@Bigun

And that isn't even taking into consideration all the wells it pollutes,all the damage it does to engines and fuel systems,and the decreased fuel mileage.

There are good reasons leaded gas is still being made and sold for use in aircraft engines.

No ethanol in aviation fuels. Period.

There should be no ethanol fuel for marine applications, too (you can get just as dead losing power on open water), but it just is not available in some areas.

[sneakypete]

It is much more than that for me! It is the LENGTHS the party went to to ensure the guy they wanted (the establishment) got the nomination that drove me out of the party!

@Bigun

That became obvious to me several elections ago. I first became aware of it after learning how what was called "The Country Club Republicans" back then worked with the Dim left to torpedo Goldwater's election,and then forced Reagan to take that bastard Poppy Bush as his running mate. They obviously feared Reagan would pick another conservative as his VP candidate,and becoming an embarrassing historical note because even they knew that after 16 years of conservative leadership that neither they nor their Dim comrades in arms have a chance of ever getting elected again.

Just look at EVERY candidate the alleged Republicans have ran for office since Reagan retired,and there it is for everyone to see.

BTW,if I could have just one wish come true,it would be that Barry Goldwater would come back to life as a 40 year old and run for President again. 

[sneakypete]

IMO, Trump never cared about winning this.  I agree, he went into this for his ego and to build more of his empire.  Trump this....Trump that....look at his "brand", since that is everything he is...a brand.

But if you look at what he's really doing, he's getting his ducks in a row, literally, to start his own media conglomerate.  He's already got Roger Ailes to run the thing....and a good majority of Fox News hosts out there shilling for him, who would be more than happy, willing and able, to join on as his media egos.<<

@L9teen

That had never even occurred to me before,but once I read it,a cog fell into place and it all makes sense.


>>I think the meetings he had with Bill Clinton BEFORE he entered the race, were to jump in to help Hillary get where she is, and to help himself.  And for those who still have common sense left, then it should be obvious that that is all Trump does anything for....is to help himself.  And I'm sure his BFF's, the Clintons, will be paying him back for all his "troubles".

Hence why he rarely attacks her.  Hence why any time there is a scandal or story out about Hillary that could be damaging to her, Trump is out there saying the most outrageous things, all in an effort to train the media lapdogs on his scent and give Clinton cover.  And the good little media hounds, go right along with it.  Notice how Trump hardly has any staff at any of the places he needs to win?  Notice how Trump doesn't have hardly any money in any campaign ads?  Notice how Trump is really barely trying to win?  Either his ego is SO big and massive that he is so delusional to thinks he has this, OR....he doesn't give a rats ass, as that wasn't his plan.  And although the first line of thinking is somewhat accurate, when you take into account, the things he's planning on the side (i.e. his own media network) and who he's aligning himself with, as well, the fact that he's already pushing the narrative that he's being treated unfairly, there's vote rigging, and cheating, etc etc.....it's not a far stretch to add it all together and = Trump doesn't plan on winning.<<

That seems so obvious that even Stevie Wonder should be able to see it. Hell,he's not even trying to hide it.

And you just KNOW his rabid followers,who share with him the fact they will never be able to admit they made a mistake,will be his immediate and most loyal followers in the Media World.

Or the most immediate and loyal PUBLIC supporters,anyway. The globalist cabal that now controls almost all the news in the world will be his secret admirers and supporters because he and his media organization will serve as "proof" the media game isn't fixed and that more than one view is heard.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Bigun @Longmire

ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! ETHANOL needs to be supported?????

It is one of the biggest brain farts foisted off on us by what passes for our government. It not only rusts out gas lines,melts plastic carb parts,gas tanks, and gas filters, it also LOWERS mpg and pollutes ground water to make it useless for watering crops or even drinking.

The whole ethanol program is nothing but a massive welfare scam established to benefit the Corporate Farmers that own so many of our politicians.

The fact that it is also destructive of cars and trucks also gives the enviro-whackos wood.

ANYBODY that supports ethanol use should be bitch-slapped until they cry,and then bitch-slapped more until your  hand gets tired.

Leftism/Socialism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

[sneakypete]

So it appears, but their projection is tedious, and I can't let it stand, or someone will think it, unchallenged, is factual.

@Smokin Joe

You are a better man that I when it comes to patience. They wore me down long ago and I just mostly quit posting to them when I realized that nothing anyone could ever say or do would have any impact at all on most of them. They are members of a cult,and they feel safe,warm,and secure in there with their fellow cult members.

[sneakypete]

Liberalism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

PLEASE do NOT continue to confuse leftism with liberalism. When you do so,you are allowing the left the cover of their lie about the true nature of their characters.

GREAT quote,but PLEASE change it to read "Leftism/Socialism:Ideas so good they have to be mandatory."

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Yes, obviously I've made it that. 

Quite simply, if you want good dialogue, why not just drop the sugarcoated smarmy tone of much of what you post?  Isn't it easier to just be real with people?

That's the tone I will use when I disagree with someone @CatherineofAragon.  Since it upsets you so, put me the hell on ignore, or stop complaining about it.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

PLEASE do NOT continue to confuse leftism with liberalism. When you do so,you are allowing the left the cover of their lie about the true nature of their characters.

GREAT quote,but PLEASE change it to read "Leftism/Socialism:Ideas so good they have to be mandatory."

Since there is nothing liberal about liberalism you are right on that one.

[Silver Pines]

Since it upsets you so

@Right_in_Virginia

LOL, see?

[roamer_1]

And the horse they rode in on.

They probably ain't got a horse anymore, because ethanol raised the cost of feed so badly...

[Bigun]

Great point about ethanol. Also, when we are sitting on a sea of oil it isn't really smart to use food for gas. Corn is one of the staples of our food chain and any excess capacity could be used as a lever in foreign policy.

Yet another EXCELLENT point! 

[unknown]

Very good! I will bold that! And oversize that! And color that!

Leftism/Socialism: Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

[L9teen]

They probably ain't got a horse anymore, because ethanol raised the cost of feed so badly...

Or, maybe their fart collecting cow

[Night Hides Not]

@Night Hides Not

Ain't going to  happen. That 8 year old boy IS who he is. It's who he has always been and it will be who he always is. He was raised to believe the world exists to please him,and he will always believe it.

He is and never has been anything other than a protected Trust Fund Child with a hobby,and that hobby is "pleasing The Donald".

Can't argue with you. Leopards can't change their stripes (according to Emmitt Smith).

[Bigun]

Can't argue with you. Leopards can't change their stripes (according to Emmitt Smith).

Especially 70 year old ones!

[corbe]

@Bigun

And that isn't even taking into consideration all the wells it pollutes,all the damage it does to engines and fuel systems,and the decreased fuel mileage.

There are good reasons leaded gas is still being made and sold for use in aircraft engines.

    Too Bad Nevada isn't the first state in the Nation to Vote in the Primaries.  The US Govt would be Mandating Gambling and prostitution for all, oh wait...that would actually be detrimental for Nevadans, no matter.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler, I'm not always the bigger person.  Sometimes, yes...other times, no. That's just the hard reality of who I am, I suppose. 

Please accept my apology that my post sounded like I was singling you out.  It was meant to address both pro-Trump and anti-Trump sides.  I just chose your post as a vehicle to express my belief that we all have more in common with each other than we do with Democrats, and my hope that we can all come together after November...after the requisite 'I told you so's have been flung in their...or our faces.

As I mentioned in my original post I think you are an exceptionally intelligent writer and TBR is lucky to have your voice.

[Longmire]

His assertion that law and order will be restored across the nation after his election, a statement he made during hi acceptance speech at the GOP convention, implies a vast Federalization of what have always been State and local powers.

Or it could mean he'll simply get the DOJ to back off their investigations of local police departments, beef up the border patrol and refocus attention on criminal gang activities like interstate drug running and human trafficking...things he's specifically talked about.

His enthusiastic support for Kelo and the concept of eminent domain are equally liberal in the fact that they elevate the rights of government above the rights of the individual.

Trump isn't going to be a judge, so his opinion on Kelo doesn't change the legal landscape. Eminent Domain is a necessary measure and has a place in the government toolbox.

He thinks Obamacare is a disaster, but wants to replace it with something more expansive, namely, single-payer health care.

Obamacare IS a disaster and I haven't seen any of Trump's proposals given an actual fiscal score. I doubt the program he come's up with will be more expensive than the current convoluted system unless it is by agreement with the American people.

[Longmire]

Trump is completely ignorant on Common Core. He's promised to "end it" or "get rid of it" not take away Federal incentives.

Ending Common Core from the Federal government level is an expansion of Federal power in general and an expansion of Federal power over education specifically.

Ted Cruz emphatically proposed 'repealing every word of Common Core' does that make him Trump's accomplice in a federal takeover of American schools?

Hardly...you're tilting at windmills.