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MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
By Nicholas Fondacaro | September 4, 2016 | 6:49 PM EDT
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MSNBC’s Joy Reid, who was swift to condemn Republican concerns of voter fraud, was equally as fast at accusing them of plotting to steal the election. Reid’s concern centered on a computer system called CrossCheck which was developed to find duplicate names on the voter rolls so they can be removed. But Reid and her guest Rolling Stone writer Greg Palast, who brought the issue to her attention, accuse the system of targeting minorities. “The system disproportionality targets voters of color who are likely to have common surnames, like Washington or Hernandez,” Reid stated.

According to a quote read by Reid from the creator of the system Kris Kobach, who is the Republican Secretary of State of Kansas, “It is a computer that simply identified matching names, dates of birth, and last four digits of social security numbers.” But that didn’t stop Reid and Palast from spreading speculation and fear. “Just a computer program? It is Jim Crow in cyber space but instead of using white sheets, they are using spreadsheets,” exclaimed Palast.

After pointing to a single case of the system messing up, Palast admitted the blatantly obvious, “Yes, it is not discriminatory, it is just matching first and last names.” But from there, Palast seemed to go off the deep end by bizarrely claiming that people with similar names were somehow absent from the Republican Party. “That means common names. That means Hernandez, Jackson, Wong. That means Democrats! You are kidding me,” he rambled on.

 

Source URL: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2016/09/04/msnbc-republicans-purging-minorities-steal-election-hack

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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 03:06:07 pm »
I ASSUME that the system identifies and then forwards to some person for review / action.  Identification of POSSIBLE duplicates that then is adjudicated by some official is hardly unethical.  In fact, it works to ensure the principle of one person one vote.

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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 04:06:13 pm »
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There are going to be questions about voter fraud over and over before this election happens and after it happens.  I worked with voter data bases for 10 years in Texas and taught the Texas Election Law over the state, including training election judges and clerks.  Let's talk about voter lists and how voter lists become voter lists and what can be done with them.

After the Florida election screw up when Gore and Bush were running for president, the federal government wrote some laws that every state had to implement.  I was working with that when it happened.  Our election laws and every state's election laws had to be changed to comply with these new federal laws and they were good ones.

One thing it did was give the Secretary of State of each state the responsibility for the "official" voter list which was not the case before this happened.  In that past time, each county had their list and that was their "official" list.  That is no longer the case as the "official" list is with the Secretary of State.  This is why that change happened:

A person can go to their county and request to be on their voter list.  The county clerk or elections administrator, whichever the county has, asks for ID which gives the official the actual address of the prospective voter so the official knows the voting precinct of the person.  In the past, before this new law, this is all that was necessary to put the prospective voter on their voter list.  The administrator had no authority to check further about the ID of this person.  Oh, yes, there is a box for the person to check if he/she is a citizen of the US.  The official had to take that check mark as the truth.

This is what happens now:
That prospective voter is NOT added to the county list, yet.  The info. of this person goes to the Secretary of State who DOES have the authority to check the ID of the person, check birth records, adoption records, driver's license status, criminal records, DEATH RECORDS, etc., to prove this person is who he/she says he/she is and is, or is not, a citizen.  That info. goes back to the county and the person is, or is not, added to the county list.  None of this was possible before this new law.

Also, the new law required ID to be shown at the polling station.  It did not require picture ID, but did require some record of ID, like a water bill or electric bill or passport or birth certificate or school ID, there is a list of acceptable IDS the election judge has.

This is what happens at a voting precinct if a person does not have an acceptable form of ID:  An example:  At one of our polling precincts, a woman had gone to pick up her mother to bring her to vote when she voted.  The mom had ID but the daughter had forgotten to bring her billfold so she had to go home and get it.  Our judge would not let the daughter vote until she had ID.  This happens over and over on election day or in early voting.

When a voter votes, a mark is placed by that voter name as voted.  At the same precinct I just mentioned, some black voters came back later after they had already voted, and they were turned away because it was obvious by the mark, they had already voted.  Duplicate voting very seldom can happen, if at all.  It certainly didn't happen in our county precincts because I trained those judges and clerks and they knew what to do.

As to this happening @angerrebew reports, a Secretary of State using a computer program to fish out duplicate names using not just names, they would never stop at just names, but other records including SS numbers, is the thing to do to keep the official records as truthful as possible.  They also use death records to remove names.

Now, you are going to hear that electronic voting machines are "rigged".  Let's talk about voting machines:
Voting machines are in the polling place and NO VOTING MACHINE IS HOOKED TO THE INTERNET.  They stand alone and just count - they are just counters.  A voter sees on the machine at the end of voting, who they voted for.  If that is incorrect, the voter will tell the judge and that machine is moved out and not used again and the voter uses a different machine.  That does not happen often, and I'll tell you why:

The election law of the state has requirements that must be met before a machine is available for service.  When the machines are programmed, the county clerk or elections administrator must notify the Republican and Democrat chairman, and they come and all machines are checked for accuracy right then.  If a machine malfunctions, it is taken out and reprogrammed or not used.  Once the machines are accepted, they are locked in a room that has two locks and both locks must be opened before the door will open.  The county clerk or elections administrator has one key and the sheriff has a key.  If the sheriff is on the ballot, the county judge keeps the key.

In early voting or voting day, the sheriff and his deputies pick up the machines and deliver them to the polling precincts.  The election judge is of one party, and the alternate judge of the opposing party and together they again check each machine for accuracy.  Only then, are machines put in service.

Now, one year I read how a couple of computer nerds said they could compromise the machines, they had worked it out.  However, they said the machines were stored in a hall way and they could change those machines.  Well, yes they could because the machines were out in the open, not locked in a room.  Now, we come to YOUR county:

Do you know who your Republican Chairman is in your county?  If you do or if you don't, find out, and contact him/her and asked how the machines in your county are handled - what the process is to be sure the machines are checked and secured before election day.
One more thing:  each machine has inside it a second counter and that counter cannot be accessed except by an official of that machine company.  If there is a question as to the totals of that machine, that extra counter can be taken out and compared to the total on the accessible counter.  The accessible counters of all machines are taken out at the end of the day and the judge and alternate judge, along with a constable car following them, take all of them to the central counting station.  The machines themselves are picked up by deputies and returned to their storage room and locked up once again.

If your county follows your election law, your machines will be just as they are supposed to be - dumb machines that have been programmed to count. 

Now, if you live in Texas, when your machines are taken to central counting, the votes are counted according to a law my husband and I wrote.  We wrote that law so both parties would be present in central counting and that was not the case before we wrote that law.  The duties of every person in central counting must follow that law.  When we wrote that law, our state senator took it to the legislature and both houses unanimously passed it.  (The dumb Democrats must not have read it because it was mainly their counties with Democrat county clerk or election administrator that kept Republicans out of central counting and that is why we wrote that law.  We were kept out of our county's central counting because we had a Democrat county clerk.)

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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 04:49:23 pm »
Interesting comments on the article at NewsBusters, this was the replacement basically for Melissa Harris Perry.

MSNBC has an offshoot website, the Grio, not altogether bad but this above is way over the top.

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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 09:13:08 pm »
That left-wing hack Greg Palast is still around?
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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 12:04:51 am »
Gee,she's black.

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Re: MSNBC: Republicans Purging Minorities to Steal Election, Hack Results
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 01:15:48 am »
"MSNBC’s Joy Reid, who was swift to condemn Republican concerns of voter fraud, was equally as fast at accusing them of plotting to steal the election."

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