Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ

[Hoodat]

But this prophesy stuff is ding, ding, ding, Spiritual warning.

What "prophesy stuff" are you referring to?

[Hoodat]

@Chosen Daughter

Oh, nevermind.  I see now.  You weren't referring to personal prophesy. (1 Corinthians 14)

[NavyCanDo]

If you can't vote for Trump, you sure as hell can't vote for Hillary!

I think there has been only one of the neverTrumps I can recall here that even hinted that voting for Hillary was better option than a write in or third party. For the rest of us if Trump beats Hillary so be it, but we just don't want to be part of the historical record of voting for him. Or Hildabeast.

[DCPatriot]

I think there has been only one of the neverTrumps I can recall here that even hinted that voting for Hillary was better option than a write in or third party. For the rest of us if Trump beats Hillary so be it, but we just don't want to be part of the historical record of voting for him. Or Hildabeast.

[DCPatriot]

[Vulcan]

Trump is playing the Evangelical community with deceit, and it's almost embarrassing to watch so many fall for it.

[Chosen Daughter]

What "prophesy stuff" are you referring to?

There are several.  https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=Trump+pro&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4AURU_enUS517US518&q=trump+prophecy&gs_l=hp..0.0l5j41l2.0.0.1.10543134...........0.EKEHq4ke6lU

And Michelle Bachman also.

[roamer_1]

What insufferable pap.

[kartographer]

[DCPatriot]

What insufferable pap.

[TomSea]

So true.

People have taken up an editorial of an extremist leftist pro-choice "Christian" in this Eric Sapp fellow;  they are less concerned with stopping the heroin epidemic that kills Americans, stopping illegals and so on.

[Silver Pines]

Exactly what I have been telling my friends and family that's going on.   The only thing that would explain how some seemingly and previously reasonable and sane adults would go, full-blown Trumpist style, a little nuts.  It's supernatural.  And... come to think of it....isn't there a Bible passage about that "spiritual veil" that would be inflicted upon some in the last days?   I'm no Bible scholar, but even I know that one.

@XenaLee

Thanks to @Chosen Daughter for providing that Scripture.

I've always believed that the veneration of Obama as a false messiah was a foreshadowing of the worship the AntiChrist will receive.  Prior to that, I had a hard time imagining that people could so easily worship a person.  Then I made the arrogant mistake of believing "our side" was above such things.  Well, Trumpism has proved me wrong.

When you see the imagery of Trump Photoshopped as Christ, and when you read posts at other sites jubilantly claiming that, if Trump were standing on the street shooting people with a gun, his true supporters would be right there at his side firing, then you understand that there must be something spiritual at work.

http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/clarkson/spiritual_veils.htm

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Thanks to @Chosen Daughter for providing that Scripture.

I've always believed that the veneration of Obama as a false messiah was a foreshadowing of the worship the AntiChrist will receive.  Prior to that, I had a hard time imagining that people could so easily worship a person.  Then I made the arrogant mistake of believing "our side" was above such things.  Well, Trumpism has proved me wrong.

When you see the imagery of Trump Photoshopped as Christ, and when you read posts at other sites jubilantly claiming that, if Trump were standing on the street shooting people with a gun, his true supporters would be right there at his side firing, then you understand that there must be something spiritual at work.

http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/clarkson/spiritual_veils.htm

I've been telling a friend of mine for years that all of this stuff going on had to be supernatural in nature.  Nothing else would explain how things seem so backwards, so wrong and so "off"....defying logic and reason. 

And I also didn't believe the Revelations prophecy that said that most people on earth would believe, bow down and worship the anti-Christ.  That "most" humans would be fooled by him didn't seem possible.  I just couldn't see how that could ever happen.  That was then, this is now.  God has opened our eyes as to that "how".  I see it only too well now.

What we are seeing with our own eyes currently in the political spectrum is a mini-version of that "false idol worship" and the exact same type of blind following that will occur re: the anti-Christ. 

[aligncare]

What insufferable pap.

Is the truth that hard for you to take? Those who work closest with Trump confirm he's a 24/7 worker. He's certainly not a party animal. Look it up. If you can find any account disputing Trump works nonstop on the challenges and projects he's tackling...I'll look at your link and we'll weigh the evidence together. How about that?

[musiclady]

What Christian would do that? None that I know. Rather they would rejoice in Trump's confession of faith (in which case he would have had to ask for forgiveness, repentance being what it is), and then advise him to sit under the discipleship of strong, mature Christians until which time he can graduate from the milk of the Word to the meat of it.

After his successful discipleship, the fruit of the Spirit should start to become apparent in his life and his spiritual maturity will shine through. Then and only then should he consider making a bid for the presidency and asking for the votes of millions of Bible-believing Christians.

Excellent post, @AllThatJazzZ !   Trump hasn't even asked for forgiveness, let alone matured in his faith enough to be able to lead.

When there is public repentance for his adultery, vulgarity, strip-clubs, cheating innocent people, stealing and other corruption, then we can believe he is a Believer.  Until he confesses his sin "before men," there is no reason to believe that anything his followers claim is any more than a political ploy to fool Christians into voting for him.

As of now, all we can believe is what he has already said...... that he doesn't have anything to ask forgiveness for.  Anyone who knows a word of Scripture, knows that is bogus.  For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.

[musiclady]

This needs to be repeated over and over again.

We will not be blessed as a nation until we acknowledge that evil is evil, and stop voting for it.

[jmyrlefuller]

[jmyrlefuller]

Is the truth that hard for you to take? Those who work closest with Trump confirm he's a 24/7 worker. He's certainly not a party animal. Look it up. If you can find any account disputing Trump works nonstop on the challenges and projects he's tackling...I'll look at your link and we'll weigh the evidence together. How about that?

Those who work closest with Trump on his consistent record of con-artistry are thus lying because they're forgetting one thing: sleep. No human can work 24/7 for any prolonged period of time.

[240B]

If one believes in Christian prophesy, and believes that Trump is the fulfillment of that prophesy, then who can stand against it? And why would you want to?

If Trump is the antiChrist, and the antiChrist will usher in the second coming of Christ and the revelation of God's Kingdom on Earth, then it would be an act of insanity NOT to vote for Trump. Unless you do not want Christ to return and for God's kingdom restored.

For me myself, I will follow whatever path God sends me.  I will not argue about whether or not God knows what he is doing and fight his will. Whatever that may be. God's kingdom come, thy will be done.

[XenaLee]

Those who work closest with Trump on his consistent record of con-artistry are thus lying because they're forgetting one thing: sleep. No human can work 24/7 for any prolonged period of time.

Sharks never sleep.  Hmmm.....are they claiming that Trump is a shark?  Not human?  Or are they just lying.  Or in Trump-speak....embellishing to the point of non-belief.  Art of the Deal, indeed.  This Trump deal stinks, IMO.  For everyone but Trump, that is.

[Chosen Daughter]

What Christian would do that? None that I know. Rather they would rejoice in Trump's confession of faith (in which case he would have had to ask for forgiveness, repentance being what it is), and then advise him to sit under the discipleship of strong, mature Christians until which time he can graduate from the milk of the Word to the meat of it.

After his successful discipleship, the fruit of the Spirit should start to become apparent in his life and his spiritual maturity will shine through. Then and only then should he consider making a bid for the presidency and asking for the votes of millions of Bible-believing Christians.

Yes that is why I posted that scripture.  The whole thing in context.  When they made a big deal about Trump allegedly accepting Christ it was part of the selling of Trump.  And if that is what happened it is great and significant but it was deeply disturbing that they had to politicize it as a selling point.  Any Christian knows that it isn't an immediate change.   

[Chosen Daughter]

If one believes in Christian prophesy, and believes that Trump is the fulfillment of that prophesy, then who can stand against it? And why would you want to?

If Trump is the antiChrist, and the antiChrist will usher in the second coming of Christ and the revelation of God's Kingdom on Earth, then it would be an act of insanity NOT to vote for Trump. Unless you do not want Christ to return and for God's kingdom restored.

For me myself, I will follow whatever path God sends me.  I will not argue about whether or not God knows what he is doing and fight his will. Whatever that may be. God's kingdom come, thy will be done.

 Jeremiah 14:13-16

13 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place.

14 Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

15 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Peter 2:1English Standard Version (ESV)

False Prophets and Teachers

2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Matthew 24:24English Standard Version (ESV)

24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/false_prophets

The Lord warns in His Word over and over about this.  There are many, many more scriptures in the link above about false prophets and false prophesies.  And God has made such obvious warning for the reason that it happens,  He wants us to not follow blindly when someone claims to prophesy.   Some of these people who are among Trump have been known to be leaders in the Evangelical community but we still have to test the Spirits.  Test what is said to discern whether it is from God.  Even the elect will fall to these false prophesies. 

So if you think that someone is giving false prophesies and you believe that people following them is going to bring the Second Coming of Christ you do not want to be among those who prophesied falsely and led others astray.  "Believe Me"

[XenaLee]

Yes that is why I posted that scripture.  The whole thing in context.  When they made a big deal about Trump allegedly accepting Christ it was part of the selling of Trump.  And if that is what happened it is great and significant but it was deeply disturbing that they had to politicize it as a selling point.  Any Christian knows that it isn't an immediate change.

And any Christian knows that it has to be a sincere acceptance. 

Trump supporters have claimed that he is "sincere".  Only problem is, things he has spouted have later been claimed, by him and by his campaign, to have only been a suggestion, or a joke, or sarcasm.  At this point, people that have logic and reason would have to question Trump's so-called sincerity.  Only God knows what is really in his heart though, and God isn't talking.  We have to make our own judgment.  We can only go by what Trump says and does re: our voting choices this year.  Again, it's a test.  A test for any and all discerning Christians. 

[Chosen Daughter]

@XenaLee

Thanks to @Chosen Daughter for providing that Scripture.

I've always believed that the veneration of Obama as a false messiah was a foreshadowing of the worship the AntiChrist will receive.  Prior to that, I had a hard time imagining that people could so easily worship a person.  Then I made the arrogant mistake of believing "our side" was above such things.  Well, Trumpism has proved me wrong.

When you see the imagery of Trump Photoshopped as Christ, and when you read posts at other sites jubilantly claiming that, if Trump were standing on the street shooting people with a gun, his true supporters would be right there at his side firing, then you understand that there must be something spiritual at work.

http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/clarkson/spiritual_veils.htm

Yes, its incredible to see isn't it?  You would think it is possible but we are seeing it.   I wouldn't say Trump is the antichrist but we are seeing false prophesies and the elect so deceived.  I have always looked at the End Times as beginning when Jesus was Crucified and we would continue to see a progression until we get to the beginning of the End. 

Matthew 24

4Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.

9“Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.b 10And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.


Wow, I would never put a time or date but I will heed God's warning.

[Chosen Daughter]

And any Christian knows that it has to be a sincere acceptance. 

Trump supporters have claimed that he is "sincere".  Only problem is, things he has spouted have later been claimed, by him and by his campaign, to have only been a suggestion, or a joke, or sarcasm.  At this point, people that have logic and reason would have to question Trump's so-called sincerity.  Only God knows what is really in his heart though, and God isn't talking.  We have to make our own judgment.  We can only go by what Trump says and does re: our voting choices this year.  Again, it's a test.  A test for any and all discerning Christians.

Yes, we have to look at everything.  I would say without doubt that this is Spiritual and discerning Christians should be able to see it.