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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2016, 05:38:25 pm »
Yes, we have to look at everything.  I would say without doubt that this is Spiritual and discerning Christians should be able to see it.

Would a Christian be Ok with anyone that is Ok with partial birth abortions? 

For those who now claim that Trump is "now" pro-life.....

this comment of Trump's about his pro-partial-birth abortion sister was just last year.  Does anyone really think he has changed his opinion?  Or has he just put it on a back burner because he knows he would lose the Christian and anti-abortion conservative vote.  Once he won he would revisit his opinion of his pro-partial-birth abortion sister, no doubt. 

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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #101 on: September 05, 2016, 05:48:07 pm »
Would a Christian be Ok with anyone that is Ok with partial birth abortions? 

For those who now claim that Trump is "now" pro-life.....

this comment of Trump's about his pro-partial-birth abortion sister was just last year.  Does anyone really think he has changed his opinion?  Or has he just put it on a back burner because he knows he would lose the Christian and anti-abortion conservative vote.  Once he won he would revisit his opinion of his pro-partial-birth abortion sister, no doubt.

Yeah I brought that up many times.  That comment was during his campaign.  Why would any believe he is going to appoint Conservatively beyond the Trump promise?  Which BTW is useless as we have seen over and over.
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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #102 on: September 05, 2016, 07:01:14 pm »
Is the truth that hard for you to take?

Of course not... but then, that ain't truth either. Its bucket after bucket of industrial strength turd-polish around here.

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Why would you consider that a feature? It speaks of obsession and sleep deprivation. Do you think anyone is running on all eight in that condition? You would be wrong, and I am speaking from experience. It isn't how work gets done. It's how mistakes get made, and problems get missed.

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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #103 on: September 05, 2016, 07:19:31 pm »
I don't know who you guys think you are talking about, but it is certainly not Trump.

Trump does not come in the name of the Lord. Trump does not "prophesize" anything in the name of any God. And he certainly does not claim to be the "messiah" of anything.

Trump is just barely religious at all, like 95% of all other Americans.

All of this baggage being loaded onto Trump is just nonsense. I mean, I'm sure he is complemented that people would think that he is capable of all this stuff, but seriously, the guy can barely make it through a teleprompter speech without screwing up.

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To lay waste to the heavens and the Earth!

Come on. Please... This is Donald Trump we are talking about and he ain't no prophet, false or otherwise.

But hey, we all have our own perceptions and opinions. As long as we all do what we feel is right, then that is the most important thing of all.
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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #104 on: September 05, 2016, 07:37:56 pm »
I don't know who you guys think you are talking about, but it is certainly not Trump.

Trump does not come in the name of the Lord. Trump does not "prophesize" anything in the name of any God. And he certainly does not claim to be the "messiah" of anything.

Trump is just barely religious at all, like 95% of all other Americans.

All of this baggage being loaded onto Trump is just nonsense. I mean, I'm sure he is complemented that people would think that he is capable of all this stuff, but seriously, the guy can barely make it through a teleprompter speech without screwing up.

He shall come in the name of the Lord!
To lay waste to the heavens and the Earth!

Come on. Please... This is Donald Trump we are talking about and he ain't no prophet, false or otherwise.

But hey, we all have our own perceptions and opinions. As long as we all do what we feel is right, then that is the most important thing of all.

Trump has heard it from Pastors but said its too big a burden.  Its really about the church supporting and promoting these false prophesies.  They are selling out God.  People could vote for Trump as a choice between Hillary or Trump of which neither is a good choice.  That would be their choice.  I think we are talking about Christians in this thread not actually Trump.  Its about Evangelical leaders selling false prophesies to get Trump elected.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-god-choice-for-president-too-big-of-a-burden-168055/
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #105 on: September 05, 2016, 07:46:51 pm »
Trump has heard it from Pastors but said its too big a burden.  Its really about the church supporting and promoting these false prophesies.  They are selling out God.  People could vote for Trump as a choice between Hillary or Trump of which neither is a good choice.  That would be their choice.  I think we are talking about Christians in this thread not actually Trump.  Its about Evangelical leaders selling false prophesies to get Trump elected.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-god-choice-for-president-too-big-of-a-burden-168055/

That, of course, is the issue, and that Trump is, himself, creating a false image in order to pander to unthinking "evangelical" voters.

I saw the stale old "we're not electing a preacher" meme here many a time, but that also is not the point.

Donald Trump is amoral.  He doesn't know right from wrong.  He has no compunction against lying about anything and everything.

IOW, he is without character.

And Christian or not, that is a dangerous person to put in the Oval Office.
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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #106 on: September 05, 2016, 08:22:27 pm »
If one believes in Christian prophesy, and believes that Trump is the fulfillment of that prophesy, then who can stand against it? And why would you want to?

If Trump is the antiChrist, and the antiChrist will usher in the second coming of Christ and the revelation of God's Kingdom on Earth, then it would be an act of insanity NOT to vote for Trump. Unless you do not want Christ to return and for God's kingdom restored.

For me myself, I will follow whatever path God sends me.  I will not argue about whether or not God knows what he is doing and fight his will. Whatever that may be. God's kingdom come, thy will be done.
Have you ever read Romans? Paul touches on this kind of logic in that letter. Those who bring it about will be severely punished. There will be those who bring it about. Those who stand against it and with God will be saved.
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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #107 on: September 05, 2016, 10:29:24 pm »
That, of course, is the issue, and that Trump is, himself, creating a false image in order to pander to unthinking "evangelical" voters.

I saw the stale old "we're not electing a preacher" meme here many a time, but that also is not the point.

Donald Trump is amoral.  He doesn't know right from wrong.  He has no compunction against lying about anything and everything.

IOW, he is without character.

And Christian or not, that is a dangerous person to put in the Oval Office.

Yes he is not denying it completely.  Saying you have heard and its too much isn't I am not chosen by God.  Of course this one is on the Evangelical church leaders promoting these false prophesies.  If Trump was Chosen by God then we would have to believe we can all act that way.  We can all lie, cuss, bear false witness against people and families.  We can all promote kicking people's A___.   We could make fun of the disabled, and women.  Be shallow and insulting about people's looks.  We would expect that God wants us speak freely because that is the beauty of Trump.  That he says what he wants right?  Its OK with God right??  Were all sinners so we should continue to sin right?

Wrong.  Romans 6:1

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Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

 
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Taming the Tongue

3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Its so obviously not God.
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Re: Trump's Offer to Christians Is Same Offer Devil Made Christ
« Reply #108 on: September 05, 2016, 10:30:46 pm »
Have you ever read Romans? Paul touches on this kind of logic in that letter. Those who bring it about will be severely punished. There will be those who bring it about. Those who stand against it and with God will be saved.

Exactly. 
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.