Time to John Birch the Alt-Right ....by Jonah Goldberg

[Cripplecreek]

Where?

I get them on twitter, some days by the dozens.

[Cyber Liberty]

Its how they define themselves. I get daily threats from the alt right scum.

Blaming the media is a cop out.

Not blaming them 100%, but they sure do share a significant amount of the blame.

[GrouchoTex]

I get them on twitter, some days by the dozens.

That is where I see them as well.

[Cripplecreek]

That is where I see them as well.

Nasty creatures like this clown who has since erased pretty much all of his history.



and these scumbags



Or this fine gentleman



Until Trump openly and clearly denounces his alt right fans, he is in effect renouncing me. I'll continue standing with Ted Cruz who is despised by the alt right.

[Cyber Liberty]

This is insanity, CC. 

[endicom]

I get them on twitter, some days by the dozens.

On Twitter? I think you'd get that for any political position taken.

[HonestJohn]

Its how they define themselves. I get daily threats from the alt right scum.

Blaming the media is a cop out.

This.

We don't define the alt-right.  The alt-right defines the alt-right.

And they choose to associate with the right.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Pretty sure folks who come up with stuff like the image at the link are prime examples of the Alt-Right:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,209817.msg1036662.html#msg1036662
Or this:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,209817.msg1036528.html#msg1036528

[goatprairie]

I don't like this whole "Alt-Right" terminology.  We're being set up by the leftists again, I can feel it.  It's like being painted with the Nazi label, even though the Nazis were socialists.

The original Nazis were socialists. But by the time Hitler took power they were simply radicals. Hitler was certainly no socialist unless you consider any radical change socialist.
 Hitler used the German industry to make his weapons and to make himself rich.  He discarded most of the vestiges of economic socialism. He bragged about German cars like Mercedes and Krupp steel used for his weapons.  In the end he was more like an authoritarian thief.  A simple fascist like Mussolini.

[Cyber Liberty]

The original Nazis were socialists. But by the time Hitler took power they were simply radicals. Hitler was certainly no socialist unless you consider any radical change socialist.
 Hitler used the German industry to make his weapons and to make himself rich.  He discarded most of the vestiges of economic socialism. He bragged about German cars like Mercedes and Krupp steel used for his weapons.  In the end he was more like an authoritarian thief.  A simple fascist like Mussolini.

Do you feel like you're being set up by the leftists?  I do.

[goatprairie]

Allowing the neo-cons in the media to define the term also plays into their hands, which is exactly what Jonah's doing.

Yes, but you're using the term "neocon" in a disparaging manner.  Taken literally neocon means a person who was once a liberal who at some point in life became a conservative. But the people who use the term take it to mean someone who is not really a conservative but simply using the conservative movement to do terrible things like start wars and whatnot. And, of course, there is the element of anti-Semitism in the term  directed at people like Charles Krauthammer and other Jews who were liberals in the past but are now considered conservative by most people.
The alt-right should then define themselves if they don't want other people to define them. The unfortunate thing about the alt-right from the websites I've visited is that many of them are more than happy to take a racialist view of things. They like being called white and would like to make the U.S. some kind of white-dominant country. I just want leftism defeated, and I don't care what the skin color of the person who agrees with me is.
That does not mean people can't say there are races or differences in the peoples of the world. There are.  But I'm not for creating a country or society where only people who look like me are welcome. Anyone who ascribes to my view of what an American is, conservative, is my kind of person.

[Sanguine]

But the alt right does exist and denials or refusals to denounce them plays right into the hands of the media.

Of course they exist.  Just as NAZIs did.

[goatprairie]

Do you feel like you're being set up by the leftists?  I do.

How am I being set up by the leftists?  I've read numerous books about Hitler and watched the docs on the cable channels. You detail for me how the Nazis were socialists ala the Soviet Union please. There was no collectivization and no destruction of private industry.
 Hitler turned the Nazi Party into the Hitler Party. He used German private industry to make himself wealthy and build his weapons.  He was  a radical who wanted to turn Germany into his dream Aryan society. But he was no communist nor much of a socialist. More nationalist/racist than anything else.

[Cripplecreek]

Of course they exist.  Just as NAZIs did.

There is nothing to be lost and everything to gain by clearly and publicly rejecting them. In fact, I think he would gain considerably more than he would lose.

Looking at their twitter profiles it seems that 90% of them are European anyway.

[Sanguine]

But the alt right does exist and denials or refusals to denounce them plays right into the hands of the media.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8JjaYBVLc

Very interesting interview.  Jonah Goldberg is a delight to listen to.

I'll take what he said under advisement, but I'm not yet convinced.  Maybe, as with Hewitt, I'm just not sure who exactly we're talking about.

[Sanguine]

There is nothing to be lost and everything to gain by clearly and publicly rejecting them. In fact, I think he would gain considerably more than he would lose.

Looking at their twitter profiles it seems that 90% of them are European anyway.

So, we're talking European alt-right.  That makes more sense.  And, the media, by trying to equate the American right with the European right are trying to tar American conservatives with a European brush. 

[Cripplecreek]

So, we're talking European alt-right.  That makes more sense.  And, the media, by trying to equate the American right with the European right are trying to tar American conservatives with a European brush.

Far too many American conservatives don't seem to know the difference. Instead they get all upset when racists in Europe are called "far right". The continental Euro right is nothing like the right of the anglosphere. They're liberal enough to make the American left blush, and they're socialistic as long as its for white Europeans The right in Britain, Canada, and Australia are much more in keeping with the conservative right that we recognize.

When the Greek Golden Dawn party was on the rise many posters at TOS spoke highly of them because they opposed the islamozation of Europe. I did a little digging and found that they also hated the Jews for stealing muslim lands and forcing muslims to flee to Europe. They basically wanted all muslims out of Europe and the jews to go with them to be exterminated in Israel.

The alt right in this country aren't all openly racist but they certainly have a strong streak that is largely driven by the Euro right.

[The Jackal]

It seems to me, and I'm just spit-balling here, that you can't have alt-right racialism without a societal umbrella of tribalism. The alt-right is a consequence of the balkanization of America started by the left and its relentless march towards identity politics for the stated purpose of demographic change for political power.

Personally, I'm not all that interested in taking up the mantle of moderating the alt-right or expelling them from conservatism. It's only a matter of time until the bullets start flying. There is no postponing this battle, its inevitable, and the Jonah Goldberg's who inhabit the middle will just find themselves squeezed out.

[TomSea]

Time to John Birch the Neo-Cons as well, they do not help this nation and may well cause much more damage to the Republican Party. Their chosen candidate, Jeb was barely getting any votes in the big picture.

[Neverdul]

Until Trump openly and clearly denounces his alt right fans, he is in effect renouncing me. I'll continue standing with Ted Cruz who is despised by the alt right.

 

Very interesting interview.  Jonah Goldberg is a delight to listen to.

I'll take what he said under advisement, but I'm not yet convinced.  Maybe, as with Hewitt, I'm just not sure who exactly we're talking about.

Do a search on Twitter for #altright

A few may be trolls, some may be trying to be satirical or are just trying to protest against political correctness thinking they are being funny about it, but a lot of them, most of them from what I’ve seen are openly Neo-Nazi, are White Supremacists and are virulently anti-Semitic and a lot of them are damned scary.  They use the #altright hashtag in their profiles along with #whitegenocide, #RaceRealist #dailystormer, #WhiteNationalist, #DavidDukeforSenate and very often also #Trump2016 and #MAGA.….

Trump retweets another white supremacist

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/donald-trump-white-supremacist-retweet-219915

https://twitter.com/WhiteGenocideT1?lang=en
https://twitter.com/whitegenocidetm?lang=en
https://twitter.com/NeilTurner_?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Not only has Trump re-Tweeted those, he doesn’t block their posts some of which contain openly anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi and racist sentiments.

But to get the real flavor of what these people who use the #altright tag are all about, drill down to see who these people re-Tweet and who they follow.

A few things to note. When these posters enclose with ((( ))) for example (((neocon))) or (((they))), the mean Jews, and not in a complimentary way.

Some have taken to using ((( ))) as part of their Twitter handle to stand up against it. They are not “altright” they are standing up against anti-Semitism.

On the other hand some have starting using ))) ((( to show their being “altright” and often their support of anti-Semitism.

Twitter forbids threats. But it isn’t stopping every anti-Semitic Trump fan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/07/twitter-forbids-threats-but-it-isnt-stopping-anti-semitic-trump-supporters/?utm_term=.176c40323a4d




FWIW I got into it on Twitter with someone who went by the Twitter handle @matlockfan1488. He was posting some really vile stuff to Trump’s Twitter feed – all pro-Nazi, pro-Hilter, StormFront, very violent, things like advocating killing all Jews and the bleep on sight and making other threats of violence to anyone not pro-Trump or anyone who stood up to him, and has since has been banned from Twitter but not before telling me to kill myself, put a bullet in my own head before he did. 

This BTW was one of his followers who is still on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/dantehicks37

And yes, he’s a Trump fan.

Is that Trump’s fault? No. Should Trump do more to disavow them? IMO - Yes. Why doesn’t he?

[Sanguine]

Time to John Birch the Neo-Cons as well, they do not help this nation and may well cause much more damage to the Republican Party. Their chosen candidate, Jeb was barely getting any votes in the big picture.

So, when you say "neo-cons" who exactly do you mean?

[goatprairie]

Far too many American conservatives don't seem to know the difference. Instead they get all upset when racists in Europe are called "far right". The continental Euro right is nothing like the right of the anglosphere. They're liberal enough to make the American left blush, and they're socialistic as long as its for white Europeans The right in Britain, Canada, and Australia are much more in keeping with the conservative right that we recognize.

When the Greek Golden Dawn party was on the rise many posters at TOS spoke highly of them because they opposed the islamozation of Europe. I did a little digging and found that they also hated the Jews for stealing muslim lands and forcing muslims to flee to Europe. They basically wanted all muslims out of Europe and the jews to go with them to be exterminated in Israel.

The alt right in this country aren't all openly racist but they certainly have a strong streak that is largely driven by the Euro right.

There are a number of alt-right websites like Jared Taylor's American Renaissance and a few others that seem to have many anti-Semitic posters. They are positive evil Jews aka The Tribe run everything. But they simply don't like anyone who is not pure "Aryan."  Which is why it is ironic that Jared Taylor has a wife whom I believe is of Japanese ancestry as does John Derbyshire who was kicked out of National Review supposedly for being a racist.
Now many of the writers, although admitting to being "race realists," rarely if ever condemn non-whites outright. They simply point out things the lib media (and often the conservative) media will not mention. Like the huge amount of black crime.
Does that make them racists? Not in my opinion.
But it is the commenters to the articles where you find the most vile racists. According to those commenters all blacks, all Jews, all Asians are evil and unAmerican. They have to be kicked out of the country.  A number of those commenters frequently talk about the need for a white homeland where non-whites will not be allowed.   Which is why I wonder when they'll tell their leader, Taylor, to get rid of his wife.

[roamer_1]

"And I don't even own a garage, you can call home and ask my wife...."

Ahhh. There it is. Couldn't quite place it till right then... It was making me uneasy.
ThanQ

[roamer_1]

If Hillary is able to appoint replacements for Scalia and Thomas (who recently indicated he is ready to retire) the Supreme Court will be lost for at least a generation, probably more. 

Only if Congress conveniently forgets it has the duty, right, and ability to impeach.
Sorry, the lesser evil route goes nowhere. as always.
I figger at some point we just have to quit doing the same old thing, expecting different results.