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Regardless of what happens to Trump he will capitalize on this run and he will continue to do everything he can to make sure that the conservative movement is squashed and the GOP dies.
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And some of those Trumpbots ....are even cheering the GOP's loss of majority control of Congress this November.  How nuckin futz is that?

They're redefining "conservative."  Conservative, now, IS Trump. 

You've seen it elsewhere - on another site, where the trumpbots piled on me and accused me of being another liberal.  I guess opposition to abortion and promotion of Federalism and individual liberty is now LEFT-WING.

And all Republicans are the enemy.  ESPECIALLY those purported RINOs like Lee and Cruz.  They're all bad...except for the few good ones that Donnie gives big sloppy kisses to.

Real conservatives.  Like Paul Ryan and John McCain.

It's really distressing.  Politics has been my lifelong obsession, and especially now with the world coming down around us, it'd be nice to have some reasonable discussions.  Instead, I see people I thought were of the same mindset, all freaking out - like the villagers in the Salem Witch Trials, or the Germans as the Nazis grew in power.

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FWIW, I think there is a real possibility that Trump could win. It's going to come down to how many Rats crossover and how many Blacks either stay home or vote for Trump. If he loses the battleground states it may be an electoral landslide, but I would bet it's going to be a 1.5 - 2.5% difference in the vote. As disgusted as we are with Trump a great many more people are disgusted with the establishment and direction of the country. In the end I think the Pubs will hold the House and be down 1-2 seats in the Senate.

No matter who wins the POTUS we are in for a rough generation. The global economy is a mess. The legalization of 25-30 million illegals will ultimately give the Rats majorities in both Houses of Congress and a lock on the Executive. The rise of unelected bureaucrats writing regulations with no oversight that then become law is expanding the tyranny of govt at a rapid rate. Things are going to get much worse before they get better.

Yes, that's an important point.  Whoever wins, it's going to be rough.  We're on a disastrously unsustainable economic trajectory, rapid big government growth momentum, firmly entrenched self-interested bureaucracies, massive levels of low-skilled and openly anti-American immigration, and all supported and enabled by an incredibly duped and dumbed-down native population. It would take an extraordinary leader and a large enough group of people willing to sacrifice and do what it would take to turn it around.  Doesn't look like we have either.

Me - I think that Hillary will take us down harder and more disastrously than almost anyone else.  Trump?  Who knows?  He could happily surprise us, he could be a Clinton-lite, or, as I think is most likely, he will be the same person he has been his whole life and do some good things and lose interest in things that don't promise a big return, (some of which may be very important.)  But, almost inevitably, other events will overshadow whatever he does. 

Buckle up; it's going to be a bumpy ride.  I don't know that we have the option of driving anymore; riding along is our only option.

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They're redefining "conservative."  Conservative, now, IS Trump. 

You've seen it elsewhere - on another site, where the trumpbots piled on me and accused me of being another liberal.  I guess opposition to abortion and promotion of Federalism and individual liberty is now LEFT-WING.

And all Republicans are the enemy.  ESPECIALLY those purported RINOs like Lee and Cruz.  They're all bad...except for the few good ones that Donnie gives big sloppy kisses to.

Real conservatives.  Like Paul Ryan and John McCain.

It's really distressing.  Politics has been my lifelong obsession, and especially now with the world coming down around us, it'd be nice to have some reasonable discussions.  Instead, I see people I thought were of the same mindset, all freaking out - like the villagers in the Salem Witch Trials, or the Germans as the Nazis grew in power.

Ironic, isn't it.  Even formerly detested RINOs like Chris Christie are now "embraced" by the same folks that were ranting and raving against them previously.  But now that Saint Don has anointed them and blessed them with his version of holy water (don't ask).....they're just as special as he is....and now worthy of the adoration of the Trump fans.  Simply ah-mazing. 

If you had told me 5-10 years ago that we would be witnessing all of this surreal/unreal stuff going on....I would have called you worse than a liar and wouldn't have believed it.   Still hard to believe and I'm seeing it with my own eyes.
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And in the case of Sean Hannity, how does he look at himself in the mirror after nightly fellatio on the Trump member.

Hannity.  I kind of feel sorry for him.

First, he was promoted WAY beyond his level of competence.  He's not a political thinker; he's a CHEERLEADER.  He's a roofer turned disc-jockey who broke into the Talk Radio game at the right time.

And he got a VERY-good paying job on FNC.

And...as will happen when your mentor and boss is older than you...his mentor and boss, Ailes, retired.  The owner, Murdoch, is old and feeble and his Leftist kids are now in charge.

Hannity was given his marching orders by the new management.  And as we all know...when you're being paid by someone above you, you're literally in his pay. 

So...Hannity, with his expensive Long Island home and his expensive Southern Belle wife, and his bills and his lifestyle...got with the program; started shaking the pompoms and doing the cheers.

Except that it's now becoming obvious that Trump is not only left of Shrub; he's a whole-lot less intelligent.  He doesn't HAVE any political views or convictions!

And for his own purposes, he's turning on conservatives.  Because his own purposes don't include winning.

And Murdoch's kids know it.  And that's the plan.

And Hannity, to keep the checks coming a few more months, has destroyed his own credibility.  He should have done the honorable thing and told the young Murdochs to go screw...and found something else to do.  Limbaugh is not far from retirement; Hannity could become a permanent guest-host for those days when the golf course beckons Rush...

But no more.  For that matter, Limbaugh has his own credibility problem now.  But that's another story.

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Yes, that's an important point.  Whoever wins, it's going to be rough.  We're on a disastrously unsustainable economic trajectory, rapid big government growth momentum, firmly entrenched self-interested bureaucracies, massive levels of low-skilled and openly anti-American immigration, and all supported and enabled by an incredibly duped and dumbed-down native population. It would take an extraordinary leader and a large enough group of people willing to sacrifice and do what it would take to turn it around.  Doesn't look like we have either.

Me - I think that Hillary will take us down harder and more disastrously than almost anyone else.  Trump?  Who knows?  He could happily surprise us, he could be a Clinton-lite, or, as I think is most likely, he will be the same person he has been his whole life and do some good things and lose interest in things that don't promise a big return, (some of which may be very important.)  But, almost inevitably, other events will overshadow whatever he does. 

Buckle up; it's going to be a bumpy ride.  I don't know that we have the option of driving anymore; riding along is our only option.

It's going to be more than a bumpy ride.  Clinton plans on bringing in over 1,000,000 Muslims into this country; the SCOTUS will be tilted left and voting rights will ensure that the GOP will never hold office again.  Say good-bye to a two party system and the Constitution and hello to Socialism.
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It's going to be more than a bumpy ride.  Clinton plans on bringing in over 1,000,000 Muslims into this country; the SCOTUS will be tilted left and voting rights will ensure that the GOP will never hold office again.  Say good-bye to a two party system and the Constitution and hello to Socialism.

There's no reason to believe that Trump won't do exactly the same. I haven't forgotten his reflexive first comment on the syrians. "We have to let them in, they're in a living hell"

I'm sorry Trump fans chose to betray America but they'll get to choke on the situation they created as surely as we who warned against it will.

I won't be selling my soul for a "man" who is sure to lose anyway.
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Hannity.  I kind of feel sorry for him.

First, he was promoted WAY beyond his level of competence.  He's not a political thinker; he's a CHEERLEADER.  He's a roofer turned disc-jockey who broke into the Talk Radio game at the right time.



Hannity has turned into the mirror image of Chrissy Mattthews at MSNBC.
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There's no reason to believe that Trump won't do exactly the same. I haven't forgotten his reflexive first comment on the syrians. "We have to let them in, they're in a living hell"

I'm sorry Trump fans chose to betray America but they'll get to choke on the situation they created as surely as we who warned against it will.

I won't be selling my soul for a "man" who is sure to lose anyway.

Nope, totally disagree with you on this point.  HRC will do whatever she thinks advances her; DT has shown himself to be somewhat responsive to public opinion.  And, he's not ideologically driven - she is, and it is a globalist, anti-American ideology. 

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Ironic, isn't it.  Even formerly detested RINOs like Chris Christie are now "embraced"

Disgusting, is't it?   They support a lifelong New York liberal like Trump and his liberal cronies while attacking any conservative who doesn't support him. 

Conservatism in America isn't dead.  But with so many jumping on the liberal Trump train it will be a long time before it recovers from the damage he (and they) have done.

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The GOP was already dead, Trump's just dancing on the bones.

Not true.

It was moribund for sure, but we had hope of reviving it with a principled conservative as a presidential nominee.

It was Trump and his loyalists who stabbed the party in the heart for all time with no chance of revival.

With his stereotypical mockery of Conservatism, the left's image of who we are is sealed in the minds of the American people.

Because a Democrat is the Republican nominee, there is no chance of reviving the party.

And before now, as desperate as it may have seemed, there was still hope.
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Ironic, isn't it.  Even formerly detested RINOs like Chris Christie are now "embraced" by the same folks that were ranting and raving against them previously.

Not just RINOs but far left democrats like Jesse Jackson now.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,222652.0.html

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Disgusting, is't it?   They support a lifelong New York liberal like Trump and his liberal cronies while attacking any conservative who doesn't support him. 

Conservatism in America isn't dead.  But with so many jumping on the liberal Trump train it will be a long time before it recovers from the damage he (and they) have done.

It may not be dead (yet).....but it sure as hell is on life-support and is in the process of being killed by these same idiots that champion the ones trying to kill it.
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Not just RINOs but far left democrats like Jesse Jackson now.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,222652.0.html

Right.  Now, officially (I guess) called.....

TrumpoCrats.
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It may not be dead (yet).....but it sure as hell is on life-support and is in the process of being killed by these same idiots that champion the ones trying to kill it.

Conservatism isn't dead, but the GOP as a conduit for Conservatism is.

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A lot of pundits hitched their stars to Mitt Romney. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to John McCain. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to John Kerry. What if he had lost?

A lot of pundits hitched their stars to Al Gore. What if he had lost?
You never saw the kind of flat-out idol worship you have seen with the Trump base under those four. All four of those types were milquetoast moderates. Trump is proposing a bold, fundamental transformation (and not for the better).

You really have to go back to George McGovern to see that kind of mile-deep-but-an-inch-wide support you're seeing with Trump now from a major party nominee. Naturally, the McGovernites haven't been taken seriously since then.
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You never saw the kind of flat-out idol worship you have seen with the Trump base under those four. All four of those types were milquetoast moderates. Trump is proposing a bold, fundamental transformation (and not for the better).

You really have to go back to George McGovern to see that kind of mile-deep-but-an-inch-wide support you're seeing with Trump now from a major party nominee. Naturally, the McGovernites haven't been taken seriously since then.
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Ironic, isn't it.  Even formerly detested RINOs like Chris Christie are now "embraced" by the same folks that were ranting and raving against them previously.  But now that Saint Don has anointed them and blessed them with his version of holy water (don't ask).....they're just as special as he is....and now worthy of the adoration of the Trump fans. 

They will wear orange dots on their foreheads and worshipful celebrate the high holy Trump days.

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I wonder if some of the pundits on the right were offered something, like anchor, on the new Trump news network if they helped him win?
Now that it seems unlikely, these same pundits we use to listen to are now lashing out at us, as if we were the ones making the bad deal.

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Nope, totally disagree with you on this point.  HRC will do whatever she thinks advances her; DT has shown himself to be somewhat responsive to public opinion.

They're about equal actually. Trump is probably the most selfish, self-centered person and egotistical person alive.

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They're about equal actually. Trump is probably the most selfish, self-centered person and egotistical person alive.
Show me a politician who isn't selfish and self-centered and egotistical.

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They're about equal actually. Trump is probably the most selfish, self-centered person and egotistical person alive.

Really, @geronl?  You really think he's worse than that fine example of womanhood, Hillary Clinton?  The one who has scandal after scandal at the taxpayer's expense, Loral, Whitewater, State Department pay-for-play, rent-out-the-Lincoln Bedroom to the highest bidder, fired from Watergate, Servergate, etc., and has a long trail of dead bodies all closely related to her?  The person most directly responsible for Benghazi, and maybe Libya?  The one who proudly employs a Muslim Brotherhood operator as her confidant and main squeeze?  Donald Trump is a piker compared to Hillary!
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I think a lot of people are recognizing that he was right and fear for what it means for themselves.

Yes!  The immediate reaction, fueled by Trump zombies, was that Cruz had made a mistake.  What mistake?  Sticking to principles is a mistake?  Voting your conscience is a mistake?

Trump supporters, on the other hand, are forced into pretzel like contortions to justify Trump's insanity.  Just yesterday, Chris Christie went on a playground rant about who started the race war.  She did, he did.  Embarrassing.
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You really have to go back to George McGovern to see that kind of mile-deep-but-an-inch-wide support you're seeing with Trump now from a major party nominee. Naturally, the McGovernites haven't been taken seriously since then.

I disagree.   McGovern lost big, but the leftists who supported him remained influential within the Dem party and have influenced its leftward drift ever since.  Same thing with the Goldwaterites who tasted defeat in '64, but later formed the backbone of the movement conservatism that led to Ronald Reagan.

But Trumpism is a racialist aberration that cannot be permitted to supplant genuine conservatism.   
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There is a losing candidate in every election and many people, pundit or not, hitch themselves to every losing candidate. This is just fear mongering.

I sense that you have reconciled yourself to a Trump loss but don't think Trump support will come back to bite anyone.

Trump support has turned a lot of people into strange beings who refuse to face facts and who make ridiculous statements in order to support Trump.

The only thing they have going for them is the short memory of the public.  No one seems to remember 'plugs Biden' or 'plagiarizer Biden.'  It's now good ole affable Biden.
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