A lot of conservative pundits have hitched their stars to Donald Trump. What if he loses?

[JustPassinThru]

"Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around."

Cruz is refusing to endorse Trump on principle. I don't know how much clearer this could be.

This writer, on the other hand, is the one with the agenda. He hopes to paint Cruz as a crass opportunist so it can be used against him at the next national election.

Rather than run against his opponent, Lord Trumpy is running against strawmen.  Against his Emmanuel Goldstein.

This will do two things, both which aid Donnie's friends - IN THE LEFT.  First, it may destroy Cruz, or limit him in the short-term.   Second, it forfeits the election.

WIN!

I think the Trumpbots are hysterical now because they know, deep down, they made a colossal mistake - and are frantically trying to deny it, and blame it and the consequences of it on others.  On CRUZ and CONSERVATIVES.

[Applewood]

In a way, I wish Trump would win.  Once his rabid followers finally realize he's the wrong man for the job, they will be begging for Ted Cruz or someone like him to lead them out of darkness.   If Tru,p loses, his followers will just blame Cruz,  the media and anyone who didn't vote for Trump.  Heck, even now they have their scapegoats ready should Trump lose. 

[mountaineer]

This writer, on the other hand, is the one with the agenda. He hopes to paint Cruz as a crass opportunist so it can be used against him at the next national election.

It is from the Washington Post, after all.

[Axel]

Nope, just a long-time Reagan-Kemp conservative who's disgusted by Trump and his alt-right supporters.  He's going to lose anyway, so I want him losing in a landslide so the rancid corpse of Trumpism will never rise again.

A Reagan-Kemp conservative who regurgitates tired liberal rhetoric that Republicans are racist xenophobes? You know very well that this is part of the Democrat playbook every year, and it isn't Trump specific. Not sure who you supported for nominee, but those same labels were applied to the forum darling Ted Cruz as well whose immigration policies such as patrolling Muslim neighborhoods were seen as even MORE draconian than Trump's.

[XenaLee]

Rather than run against his opponent, Lord Trumpy is running against strawmen.  Against his Emmanuel Goldstein.

This will do two things, both which aid Donnie's friends - IN THE LEFT.  First, it may destroy Cruz, or limit him in the short-term.   Second, it forfeits the election.

WIN!

I think the Trumpbots are hysterical now because they know, deep down, they made a colossal mistake - and are frantically trying to deny it, and blame it and the consequences of it on others.  On CRUZ and CONSERVATIVES.

And some of those Trumpbots ....are even cheering the GOP's loss of majority control of Congress this November.  How nuckin futz is that?

[musiclady]

Ted Cruz, counting on a Trump defeat in November, has positioned himself as a principled holdout, apparently convinced that refusing to endorse his party's presidential nominee will boost his 2020 stock among Republican voters, who will realize they nominated the wrong candidate this time around.

It's interesting that a number of Trump supporters on this very forum have mocked Cruz supporters for their principles.

Their alignment with the left (WaPo?) is quite strong.

[Norm Lenhart]

And some of those Trumpbots ....are even cheering the GOP's loss of majority control of Congress this November.  How nuckin futz is that?

If you look at their record of fully funding/supporting Barry's dreams and desires while turning their backs on or outright backstabing their voters, it doesn't make a whit of difference if we lose the house AND the Senate AND the presidency. They have done nothing different, ultimately than a Dem in those positions. they just put a show on for the rubes before the ultimate cave in to keep the illusion of two parties going.

[catfish1957]

A lot of conservative pundits have hitched their stars to Donald Trump. What if he loses?

And in the case of Sean Hannity, how does he look at himself in the mirror after nightly fellatio on the Trump member.

[massadvj]

Most of them will blame the #NeverTrump movement, and then find the next agitation vehicle to exploit.

[Axel]

And some of those Trumpbots ....are even cheering the GOP's loss of majority control of Congress this November.  How nuckin futz is that?

And some of your fellow NeverTrump supporters have criticized me for supporting and voting for the GOP which has "abandoned" you. The only ones who I see cheering against the GOP are those who can't stand its nominee.

[XenaLee]

If you look at their record of fully funding/supporting Barry's dreams and desires while turning their backs on or outright backstabing their voters, it doesn't make a whit of difference if we lose the house AND the Senate AND the presidency. They have done nothing different, ultimately than a Dem in those positions. they just put a show on for the rubes before the ultimate cave in to keep the illusion of two parties going.

It's a matter of degrees, Norm.   How much worse will Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, etc. be back in control of Congress.  If the Trumpbots even had a hope of Trump winning, one would think they would want the GOP to retain control of Congress on the hope (false or otherwise) that Trump would be able to get his agenda implemented easier under the GOP vs. under the Democrats.  Right? 

I'm just not seeing the logic of handing Congress back to the Democrats, no matter how inept the GOP HAS been under Obama.

[XenaLee]

And some of your fellow NeverTrump supporters have criticized me for supporting and voting for the GOP which has "abandoned" you.

I don't speak for others.  I can only speak for myself.

The only ones who I see cheering against the GOP are those who can't stand its nominee.

Then you're not looking hard enough.  I'm seeing hard-core Trump fans cheering the loss of majority control in Congress to the Democrats around the net.   All presumably to 'get back at' the GOP.  Again, how the Hell would that help Trump, should he win?  Answer:  It won't.  But they're not counting on him winning anyway.....apparently.

It's looking more and more like one gigantic scam.

[Cripplecreek]

And in the case of Sean Hannity, how does he look at himself in the mirror after nightly fellatio on the Trump member.

Trump will turn on them and blame them along with everybody else. On top of that he'll tell everybody about any deals or promises he made with them.

[catfish1957]

Trump will turn on them and blame them along with everybody else. On top of that he'll tell everybody about any deals or promises he made with them.

And he and his ghostwriters will make a mint on a best seller.

[musiclady]

The only ones who I see cheering against the GOP are those who can't stand its nominee.

You aren't looking very carefully.  There are a number of us who are mourning the loss of the party we were active in supporting because "our" nominee is a corrupt leftist insider without a single conservative value.

Trump's nomination signals the end of a party I actively participated in and worked for over decades (my first active campaigning was in 1968 going door to door for Richard Nixon).

I'm not cheering against the GOP.  I'm watching it throw itself into a shallow grave.

[bilo]

I have begun to get all my news info on the internet.   I've stopped watching Fox altogether, as well as listening to talk radio.

It's been remarkably freeing, and I doubt I'll ever go back no matter how many "mea culpas" may follow this disastrous election.

I find I'm heading in the same direction.

I won't trust any of these media types after this election.

[Norm Lenhart]

It's a matter of degrees, Norm.   How much worse will Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, etc. be back in control of Congress.  If the Trumpbots even had a hope of Trump winning, one would think they would want the GOP to retain control of Congress on the hope (false or otherwise) that Trump would be able to get his agenda implemented easier under the GOP vs. under the Democrats.  Right? 

I'm just not seeing the logic of handing Congress back to the Democrats, no matter how inept the GOP HAS been under Obama.

But whats the degree of difference between a Repub giving barry all he asks for and a Dem doing it?

Every major issue. Every one the GOP caved. It was the GOP that ran fraudulant 'investigations' into everything from global warming to Bhenghazi. It was the GOP that ran cover for the Obama admin because they refused to impeach the man because he is black.

THAT is why standing on and electing people of principle is what matters most. Now that we did not do that, we have America 2016. To reverse that, we have to stop stabbing our own backs. That does not happen without a lot of pain. But the right wing voter brought that pain on themselves with their moral cowardace.

We can either start fixing it now, or just keep pretending that some day, in some magical unicorn land and time, we;ll get around to it when it won't hurt at all.

[musiclady]

I find I'm heading in the same direction.

I won't trust any of these media types after this election.

How can you trust someone who claimed to be a spokesperson for conservatism, and has sold his/her soul to a corrupt Democrat?

I mean seriously...... how can we trust any of them again??

[bilo]

It's a matter of degrees, Norm.   How much worse will Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, etc. be back in control of Congress.  If the Trumpbots even had a hope of Trump winning, one would think they would want the GOP to retain control of Congress on the hope (false or otherwise) that Trump would be able to get his agenda implemented easier under the GOP vs. under the Democrats.  Right? 

I'm just not seeing the logic of handing Congress back to the Democrats, no matter how inept the GOP HAS been under Obama.

FWIW, I think there is a real possibility that Trump could win. It's going to come down to how many Rats crossover and how many Blacks either stay home or vote for Trump. If he loses the battleground states it may be an electoral landslide, but I would bet it's going to be a 1.5 - 2.5% difference in the vote. As disgusted as we are with Trump a great many more people are disgusted with the establishment and direction of the country. In the end I think the Pubs will hold the House and be down 1-2 seats in the Senate.

No matter who wins the POTUS we are in for a rough generation. The global economy is a mess. The legalization of 25-30 million illegals will ultimately give the Rats majorities in both Houses of Congress and a lock on the Executive. The rise of unelected bureaucrats writing regulations with no oversight that then become law is expanding the tyranny of govt at a rapid rate. Things are going to get much worse before they get better.

[XenaLee]

But whats the degree of difference between a Repub giving barry all he asks for and a Dem doing it?

Every major issue. Every one the GOP caved. It was the GOP that ran fraudulant 'investigations' into everything from global warming to Bhenghazi. It was the GOP that ran cover for the Obama admin because they refused to impeach the man because he is black.

THAT is why standing on and electing people of principle is what matters most. Now that we did not do that, we have America 2016. To reverse that, we have to stop stabbing our own backs. That does not happen without a lot of pain. But the right wing voter brought that pain on themselves with their moral cowardace.

We can either start fixing it now, or just keep pretending that some day, in some magical unicorn land and time, we;ll get around to it when it won't hurt at all.

How do you propose to 'start fixing it now'?  By handing control, willingly, over to the Democrats in Congress?  We already know how bad they were, are and would be again.  Much worse than the GOP RINOs have been, even.  I just don't see the logic.  Sorry.

[dfwgator]

Life goes on.

[Jazzhead]

A Reagan-Kemp conservative who regurgitates tired liberal rhetoric that Republicans are racist xenophobes?

That's the point, genius.   Republicans are NOT racist xenophobes,  and that's why I fight as I must against Trumpism.   Trumpism isn't Republicanism, it isn't conservatism, it's a vile caricature that makes decent, principled conservatives look bad.

I want the alt-right dead and buried as a political force going forward, precisely so that conservatives can restore themselves to a position of respect in this nation.  We look like fools supporting this vile and unprincipled media creation for President - which is why I say that those who've bent over to accommodate Trump can and must be forever tainted.

In the sixties, Buckley cast out the racialists from the respectable conservative movement,  and it's time to clean the filthy stables again.       

[XenaLee]

FWIW, I think there is a real possibility that Trump could win. It's going to come down to how many Rats crossover and how many Blacks either stay home or vote for Trump. If he loses the battleground states it may be an electoral landslide, but I would bet it's going to be a 1.5 - 2.5% difference in the vote. As disgusted as we are with Trump a great many more people are disgusted with the establishment and direction of the country. In the end I think the Pubs will hold the House and be down 1-2 seats in the Senate.

No matter who wins the POTUS we are in for a rough generation. The global economy is a mess. The legalization of 25-30 million illegals will ultimately give the Rats majorities in both Houses of Congress and a lock on the Executive. The rise of unelected bureaucrats writing regulations with no oversight that then become law is expanding the tyranny of govt at a rapid rate. Things are going to get much worse before they get better.

Except for the part about "Trump could win", I can't argue with most of the rest of your argument.  Especially the last paragraph.   But in order for Trump to first win, he has to 'want or intend' to win.  And I just don't think that desire or intention is there.

[Cripplecreek]

That's the point, genius.   Republicans are NOT racist xenophobes,  and that's why I fight as I must against Trumpism.   Trumpism isn't Republicanism, it isn't conservatism, it's a vile caricature that makes decent, principled conservatives look bad.

I want the alt-right dead and buried as a political force going forward, precisely so that conservatives can restore themselves to a position of respect in this nation.  We look like fools supporting this vile and unprincipled media creation for President - which is why I say that those who've bent over to accommodate Trump can and must be forever tainted.

In the sixties, Buckley cast out the racialists from the respectable conservative movement,  and it's time to clean the filthy stables again.       

What he said. 

[libertybele]

Regardless of what happens to Trump he will capitalize on this run and he will continue to do everything he can to make sure that the conservative movement is squashed and the GOP dies.

Exactly as Beck had predicted a few days ago; Trump will have a media outlet of his own.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-could-win-big-even-if-he-loses-election-n638326