Palin: Trump’s Immigration Flip Doesn’t Matter

[HonestJohn]

Most illegals with "regular" jobs pay income and payroll taxes. Most illegals that have been here any length of time have "regular" jobs.

The Feds benefit from their taxes.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html?_r=0

They also pay every other tax we pay. No one can pump gas without paying taxes.

Thank you for that information.  I didn't realize.

[geronl]

Most illegals with "regular" jobs pay income and payroll taxes. Most illegals that have been here any length of time have "regular" jobs.

The Feds benefit from their taxes.

and if Americans were doing those jobs... the feds get the same benefit

[Luis Gonzalez]

and if Americans were doing those jobs... the feds get the same benefit

I visit Northern California twice a year. Was there just a month ago.

I go inspect our produce suppliers.

They are required by law to advertise locally first for field hands. The pay is way higher than the fabled $15/HR that everyone seems to think will fix our economy.

They ALWAYS end up having to bring workers in from Mexico.

[Cripplecreek]

and if Americans were doing those jobs... the feds get the same benefit

Job 1 is getting the border under control. Till that happens, any illegal can make their own amnesty simply by coming back if deported.

Very long term we're going to have figure out how to encourage or force Mexico into becoming a livable 1st world nation that people don't want to flee from.

[geronl]

They are required by law to advertise locally first for field hands.

They ALWAYS end up having to bring workers in from Mexico.

They probably rejected 230 Americans for each job, sort of like Trump for his resort. They don't want to hire Americans and go through the motions that the law requires before importing foreign labor. Unless you think Americans can't be taught how to make a bed, sweep and vacuum a floor and make a taco bowl. I know they can.

[Luis Gonzalez]

and if Americans were doing those jobs... the feds get the same benefit

You obviously did not read the article linked.

The Feds get a greater benefit from income and payroll taxes collected from illegal aliens since they simply pocket 100% of the monies deducted from the paychecks of the people using false Social Security numbers to get work.

People working under false documents cannot file income tax returns.

[Luis Gonzalez]

They probably rejected 230 Americans for each job, sort of like Trump for his resort. They don't want to hire Americans and go through the motions that the law requires before importing foreign labor. Unless you think Americans can't be taught how to make a bed, sweep and vacuum a floor and make a taco bowl. I know they can.

No, they do not.

They're lucky if they get half a dozen applicants.

You're creating narratives in your mind without any base in facts.

Americans don't WANT to work produce fields which is what I was talking about.

Try and hire some field hands in Northern California. 

[sinkspur]

 
BrahmResnik
‏@brahmresnik
BREAKING @realDonaldTrump cancels #PHX event Wednesday. No reason given. "We look forward to having another event soon," spox says. #12News


Trump postpones another immigration speech. He's going to allow the mess he's made to stink a little longer.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Last month in Castroville. Harvesting romaine lettuce.

These workers make upwards of $20/hr.

No locals replied to this grower's ads.

[Norm Lenhart]

No, they do not.

They're lucky if they get half a dozen applicants.

You're creating narratives in your mind without any base in facts.

Americans don't WANT to work produce fields which is what I was talking about.

Try and hire some field hands in Northern California.

You'd be shocked at what people will do when...
1: They get hungry enough
2: wages arent artificially depressed by illegal labor.

I 'want' to be a paid escort to wealthy young nymphomainiac supermodels. I 'want' a lamborghini. I want another Titan XP for my gaming rig to run VR in SLI.

Guess which three things will cause me bitter disappointment? Sometimes we can't get what we 'want' and have to do a lot of what we don't instead.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You'd be shocked at what people will do when...
1: They get hungry enough
2: wages arent artificially depressed by illegal labor.

I 'want' to be a paid escort to wealthy young nymphomainiac supermodels. I 'want' a lamborghini. I want another Titan XP for my gaming rig to run VR in SLI.

Guess which three things will cause me bitter disappointment? Sometimes we can't get what we 'want' and have to do a lot of what we don't instead.

I won't be shocked, and I'm not discussing some post-apocalyptic scenario where school marms will be willing to suck your toes for a half-eaten can of expired tuna and nuns will be happy to get jobs as truck stop hookers. I'm discussing the here and now, and in the here and now, where your fantasy of starving people doesn't exist, people don't apply for those jobs, and those beds need to be made now, and those dishes need to be washed now, and that romaine needs to be picked and packed now.

Wages in are NOT "artificially depressed" by anyone in those fields. They make anywhere from $18 to $22+/hour.

How are those depressed wages?

Here's where you're at a disadvantage.

I work with those farm conglomerates, and I know them intimately.

At the other end of my job are hotels, restaurants, country clubs, nursing facilities, etc. and I know THEM intimately as well.

I can walk you up to the housekeeper at almost any major hotel in South Florida and have her show you her job application files.

Housekeeping jobs paying $17/hour to start, and nearly 100% of all applications are either Central and South Americans or Caribbean immigrants.

You're just repeating memes and slogans.

[Cripplecreek]

No, they do not.

They're lucky if they get half a dozen applicants.

You're creating narratives in your mind without any base in facts.

Americans don't WANT to work produce fields which is what I was talking about.

Try and hire some field hands in Northern California.

It wasn't always like that but unfortunately its true today and Americans are going to either need to man up and correct it or man up and accept it.

I worked on a farm for several years in my youth as did most of the other guys my age. For many of us it became a full time job. They paid us $5 to $7 per hour under the table and that was decent money in 1985 bucks.
These days that same farm hires guest workers at $15 per hour or more because few of the locals want anything to do with those jobs.

[sinkspur]

One of my neighbors owns a roofing company.  He pays $20 an hour to start.

He hasn't had an Anglo submit a job application in four years.  Roofing houses during a Texas summer just doesn't seem to be something citizens want to do.

[Norm Lenhart]

You're just repeating memes and slogans.

Yea see I spent a decade as a reporter in an area that is heavily invested in illegal labor working at farms. And I can tell everyone here from experience in dealing with these people DIRECTLY that they have depressed wages and they are rather aware and proud of it.

And that they know full well that they are playing their role in Reconquista. They know full well that they live better here and still have cash to spare undercutting American labor. So much so they send billions of it home. They don't mind reduced wages because they know that the Democrats make up the difference in social services bennies.

So don't tell me about slogans. I reported on this crap for years.

[r9etb]

You'd be shocked at what people will do when...
1: They get hungry enough
2: wages arent artificially depressed by illegal labor.

You've got it wrong.  Luis has got it right.

The economics are such that a person can "earn" the equivalent of about $30k/year through food stamps, subsidized housing, and so on.  (The actual number is variable according to study, but $30k is in the ballpark.)

It's hard to make that much by working in the fields; and even if one does, it's back-breaking labor.

I can offer empirical evidence of the economic incentives.  I grew up in an orchard area, and every fall there would be "kids with funny names" (Virgil and Rex were two that I particularly remember) who came to school for a month or two, and then left.  These were the children of migrant workers who followed the crops. 

Like magic, the kids with funny names stopped showing up after the Great Society programs really took off in the early '70s; and the Mexican field hands began showing up at about the same time.  Some of the American migrant workers settled down in my hometown, and they were notorious for a) being on welfare, and b) spending long hours in taverns.

Because, you see, for the American migrant workers, it was a much better deal to be on welfare, than to follow the crops.

[Cripplecreek]

One of my neighbors owns a roofing company.  He pays $20 an hour to start.

He hasn't had an Anglo submit a job application in four years.  Roofing houses during a Texas summer just doesn't seem to be something citizens want to do.

I would have done it as a younger man but on the north side of 50 I can't do it any more. Only 85 degrees here today with low humidity and I stayed inside with the AC.

We have to admit that we have some responsibility in this. American kids are marshmallows

My nephew is a great worker at Dominoes pizza and they love having him but he has no interest in working a harder and higher paying job. He's got a welding certification but has never done anything with it.

[Norm Lenhart]

You've got it wrong.  Luis has got it right.

The economics are such that a person can "earn" the equivalent of about $30k/year through food stamps, subsidized housing, and so on.  (The actual number is variable according to study, but $30k is in the ballpark.)

It's hard to make that much by working in the fields; and even if one does, it's back-breaking labor.

I can offer empirical evidence of the economic incentives.  I grew up in an orchard area, and every fall there would be "kids with funny names" (Virgil and Rex were two that I particularly remember) who came to school for a month or two, and then left.  These were the children of migrant workers who followed the crops. 

Like magic, the kids with funny names stopped showing up after the Great Society programs really took off in the early '70s; and the Mexican field hands began showing up at about the same time.  Some of the American migrant workers settled down in my hometown, and they were notorious for a) being on welfare, and b) spending long hours in taverns.

Because, you see, for the American migrant workers, it was a much better deal to be on welfare, than to follow the crops.

No, I have it right. What you forget is that the human body has this really amazing trait. When it gets hungry enough, shovels and brooms and toilet brushes fit into it's hands.

Just because special snowflakes think they are above it, they arent.

[sinkspur]

 
Rebecca Sinderbrand
‏@sinderbrand
Giuliani says Trump is "trying to figure what the right position is” on immigration



Think about that for a minute!

[Norm Lenhart]

Rebecca Sinderbrand
‏@sinderbrand
Giuliani says Trump is "trying to figure what the right position is” on immigration



Think about that for a minute!

Actually thats what got Trump into this mess to begin with. He thought about it for a min. Then he took a position. then he thought another min. and took an opposite position. then he ...

Donald John Romney.

[geronl]

One of my neighbors owns a roofing company.  He pays $20 an hour to start.

He hasn't had an Anglo submit a job application in four years.  Roofing houses during a Texas summer just doesn't seem to be something citizens want to do.

Maybe they don't know to hang out in front of Home Depot

[Norm Lenhart]

I don't think so, Norm.  I don't think Trump thinks at all.  He's a follower not a leader.  He believes whatever the last person he talked with tells him.  Unfortunately, he runs with Liberals; thus he has been fed loads of Liberal excrement.  Whoever his friend is of the day is the opinion he has for that day.

Kidding aside, Every passing day I am more convinced that Trump's father long ago set up a trust for his idiot son and a group of handlers make all his actual business decisions. It's pretty obvious that this guy can't run a kool aid stand much less a company, much less a country.

[libertybele]

I live in an area where there was a tremendous influx of Hispanics; predominately from Cuba and Mexico.  It got to the point that companies (mostly construction related) couldn't compete with those companies that were hiring 'day labor'/illegals -- in fact they would pick them up by the truckload in the morning. The unemployment rate in the area began to skyrocket as jobs were going to the illegals.  It wasn't that people didn't want to work; they weren't being hired. Businesses could hire cheaper labor and didn't cover their illegals with Workman's compensation and they would take money out for taxes but wouldn't forward it to the feds.The first couple of years during the Obama administration when this area was one of the hardest hit by the recession, businesses folded and construction was nearly at a stand still.  Lo and behold, the influx of Hispanics diminished greatly and they began to self-deport.

Point being that this is an example of Americans wanting to work, but jobs are/were taken by illegals; many are paid under the table and don't pay taxes, or taxes are taken out and never make it to the Feds.

[Fantom]

Sarah Palin can now consider herself 'irrelevant' in politics and the conservative movement.

Yep, Palin is dead to me.

[Fantom]

and if Americans were doing those jobs... the feds get the same benefit

Right.   

[Fantom]

I visit Northern California twice a year. Was there just a month ago.

I go inspect our produce suppliers.

They are required by law to advertise locally first for field hands. The pay is way higher than the fabled $15/HR that everyone seems to think will fix our economy.

They ALWAYS end up having to bring workers in from Mexico.

And yet this Simple Bricklayer knows , by his own eyes, the damage that illegal aliens have wrought in the construction industry.  Lower wages and jobs stolen from Americans.

Pick all the lettuce you want.. but illegal aliens are stealing jobs from Americans in the trades and other fields.