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Compassionate Alt-Conservatism
« on: August 25, 2016, 01:57:39 am »
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/explaining-what-donald-trump-up-to/

Compassionate Alt-Conservatism

JOHN PODHORETZ / AUG. 24, 2016

Donald Trump is shifting to an illegal immigration policy that is a complete echo of the proposals by Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio he condemned as “amnesty” during the primaries—which by definition means he won’t be forcibly deporting 11 million people if he becomes president. Those forcible deportations were one of the few clear policy positions he’s taken, and he was screaming about them at his rallies as late as last week.

This gobsmacking flip-flop means two things. First, Trump’s brazen contempt for his own supporters is so  thoroughgoing he thinks he can say anything without risking their votes. (It will be up to them to prove him wrong by reacting with anger. If they don’t, his contempt is deserved.) Second, he has finally come to understand he is heading for a defeat so unimaginably humiliating he’s willing to do just about anything to forestall it.

But let’s be clear about what this is not. This is not a play for Hispanic votes, any more than his talk on the campaign trail about the lives of African Americans being so terrible is a play for black votes. This is about generating votes among whites—and likely white women—by talking more nicely.

Call it “compassionate alt-conservatism.”

The key to the Trump shift is to be found in Gallup survey data indicating that he’s not only losing suburbanites but exurbanites as well (meaning those people who live 30 miles or more outside a metropolitan center). Right now, the only voters he’s going to win are rural voters—and even if he generates 90 percent turnout among them and wins 90 percent of their votes, there aren’t enough of them to win the presidency or the electoral college. The total rural population of voting age is around 45 million—out of 235 million potential voters nationally.

Polling indicates Trump is running behind Mitt Romney with nearly every group of voters by age, education, ethnicity, geographic location, you name it. Romney lost by nearly 4 points. The math is inescapable. Trump cannot afford to lose a single Romney voter because he needs to win another 5 million votes on top of every Romney vote just to match what Hillary is likely to get. And right now he’s not going to do that.

So the strategy has to be 1) to get the Romney voters he’s lost and then 2) some way magically improve his standing with Americans sufficient to generate those 5 million extra votes. We’re in part 1 here, with no evidence whatever this move will help him. Meanwhile, God knows what he’ll say tomorrow—even though he’s clearly making these moves under the tutelage of his pollster Kellyanne Conway, who must have shown him he had to do something like this or be remembered as the boob who lost to Crooked Hillary. Who knows if he’ll back off if his core supporters get angry. Or if he’ll go on a raging tear about something entirely exogenous that will remind the very voters he’s trying to woo why they don’t like him. I bet on the last.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Compassionate Alt-Conservatism
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 01:58:12 am »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 02:04:41 am »


The Trump "stool of conservatism". Somehow I don't think thats what Ronnie had in mind. Of course Trump could steal that line of Reagan's as well. Just mod it a bit...

"Trump/Pence 2016 - No legs, just stool."

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 02:07:39 am »
The Trump "stool of conservatism". Somehow I don't think thats what Ronnie had in mind. Of course Trump could steal that line of Reagan's as well. Just mod it a bit...

"Trump/Pence 2016 - No legs, just stool."


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I'm going to send you the cleaning bill for the coffee I just spit up all over the table!!

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 09:05:53 am »
and he's still busy attacking Cruz.

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Re: Compassionate Alt-Conservatism
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 11:12:41 am »
There is nothing compassionate about the "alt-right". (ie - the 'PC' term for skinheads, klansmen, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists)

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 11:18:42 am »
There is nothing compassionate about the "alt-right". (ie - the 'PC' term for skinheads, klansmen, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists)

There are 3 political/ideological lanes in America.

Left, right, and down.

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 11:22:06 am »
Share a message of hope with your Trumper friends! All Lives Matter!

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1-800-273-8255

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 12:07:41 pm »
The article's right -  Trump is hemorrhaging support from white voters.  The white voters that supported Romney and McCain aren't turning out for Trump.  Sure, he's picking up some support from historically unengaged folks who rarely vote,  but can he count on them in sufficient numbers to offset the millions of reliably Republican white voters he is losing?

Bottom line - the NeverTrump movement is making a yuuuge difference in this race.    :smokin: 
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 12:11:18 pm »
The article's right -  Trump is hemorrhaging support from white voters.  The white voters that supported Romney and McCain aren't turning out for Trump.  Sure, he's picking up some support from historically unengaged folks who rarely vote,  but can he count on them in sufficient numbers to offset the millions of reliably Republican white voters he is losing?

Bottom line - the NeverTrump movement is making a yuuuge difference in this race.    :smokin:

And contrary to popular belief, it doesn't have anything to do with Ted Cruz. He's said nothing further about the race since convention.

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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 12:17:15 pm »
And contrary to popular belief, it doesn't have anything to do with Ted Cruz. He's said nothing further about the race since convention.

But what he said at the convention must not be forgotten -  vote your conscience.   
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 01:26:19 pm »
"This gobsmacking flip-flop means two things. First, Trump’s brazen contempt for his own supporters is so  thoroughgoing he thinks he can say anything without risking their votes. (It will be up to them to prove him wrong by reacting with anger. If they don’t, his contempt is deserved.)"


For me, this is one of the most distasteful aspects of the Trump candidacy.  All along I've said that Trump has nothing but contempt for the people who support him.  I'll guarantee you he views them as just a bunch of stupid yahoos.  Go look at the pics of his trip to the flooded area in Louisiana.  He looks completely and totally disconnected---there's no feeling, no empathy, nothing.  Clearly he was wondering how he managed to get dragged into that pit and when he could get the hell out.  He couldn't care less about the plight of those unwashed peons.

Yet his fans fall all over themselves to excuse him and to bring themselves in line with his latest proclamation.  Is it because they're so entrenched in the cult?  Or because they're that desperate for a win?  Or is it that they're so invested in him by now that they feel they can't back out, and have to stay on this Titanic until it sinks?  Or is it a combination of some or all?

Regardless, Trump is laughing at them, and I think it's pathetic for Americans to surrender their self-respect in order to back such a wretched piece of garbage.

Speaking of which, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, etc. will now have to become pro-amnesty in order to cheerlead for Trump.  It should be entertaining.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2016, 05:31:31 pm »

Speaking of which, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, etc. will now have to become pro-amnesty in order to cheerlead for Trump.  It should be entertaining.

Coulter's just said that, yeah, maybe it's in our interest to let some illegals remain.  Yup, it will sure be entertaining. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2016, 05:56:21 pm »
Coulter's just said that, yeah, maybe it's in our interest to let some illegals remain.  Yup, it will sure be entertaining.

lol. Trump has made them all "cucks" (I hate that term)

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2016, 09:59:14 pm »
Coulter's just said that, yeah, maybe it's in our interest to let some illegals remain.  Yup, it will sure be entertaining.

@Jazzhead

Well, that didn't take long, lol!

I turned on Rush's show just to see what he was saying.  He took a call from some guy who was on the verge of tears---he admitted it---out of pure Trump fervor.  He said that Trump is George Washington.  Rush didn't call him on it.  He just went on to agree with everything else the guy was saying...or gushing, to be more accurate.

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2016, 10:26:04 pm »
@Jazzhead

Well, that didn't take long, lol!

I turned on Rush's show just to see what he was saying.  He took a call from some guy who was on the verge of tears---he admitted it---out of pure Trump fervor.  He said that Trump is George Washington.  Rush didn't call him on it.  He just went on to agree with everything else the guy was saying...or gushing, to be more accurate.