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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2016, 07:54:50 pm »
Since it seems this thread may go on for a while, here's something from a site that always has thought provoking and informative content.

I'll see your Rights of the States and raise you some foundational Mayhew - where the entire notion of rights and resistance to tyranny was first waged in the pulpits in the 1750's and set the stage for the war of Independence that followed this awakening. 

I find the alliterations enlightening and as appropriate to what is currently going on now, as it was when he gave this sermon back in January, 1750.

Jonathan Mayhew "A Discourse Concerning Unlimited Submission and Non-Resistance to the Higher Powers"

...But if magistrates are unrighteous; if they are respecters of persons; if they are partial in their administration of justice; then those who do well have as much reason to be afraid, as those that do evil: there can be no safety for the good, nor any peculiar ground of terror to the unruly and injurious.  So that, in this case, the main end of civil government will be frustrated. And what reason is there for submitting to that government, which does by no means answer the design of government? Wherefore ye must needs be subject not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

...If it be our duty, for example, to obey our king, merely for this reason, that he rules for the public welfare, (which is the only argument the apostle makes use of) it follows, by a parity of reason, that when he turns tyrant, and makes his subjects his prey to devour and to destroy, instead of his charge to defend and cherish, we are bound to throw off our allegiance to him, and to resist; and that according to the tenor of the apostle's argument in this passage.

...That no civil rulers are to be obeyed when they enjoin things that are inconsistent with the commands of God: All such disobedience is lawful and glorious; particularly, if persons refuse to comply with any legal establishment of religion, because it is a gross perversion and corruption… All commands running counter to the declared will of the supreme legislator of heaven and earth, are null and void: And therefore disobedience to them is a duty, not a crime.

...Whoever considers the nature of civil government must, indeed, be sensible that a great degree of implicit confidence, must unavoidably be placed in those that bear rule: this is implied in the very notion of authority's being originally a trust, committed by the people, to those who are vested with it, as all just and righteous authority is; all besides, is mere lawless force and usurpation; neither God nor nature, having given any man a right of dominion over any society, independently of that society's approbation, and consent to be governed by him--

Now as all men are fallible, it cannot be supposed that the public affairs of any state, should be always administered in the best manner possible, even by persons of the greatest wisdom and integrity. Nor is it sufficient to legitimate disobedience to the higher powers that they are not so administered; or that they are, in some instances, very ill-managed; for upon this principle, it is scarcely supposeable that any government at all could be supported, or subsist. Such a principle manifestly tends to the dissolution of government: and to throw all things into confusion and anarchy.--But it is equally evident, upon the other hand, that those in authority may abuse their trust and power to such a degree, that neither the law of reason, nor of religion, requires, that any obedience or submission should be paid to them: but, on the contrary, that they should be totally discarded; and the authority which they were before vested with, transferred to others, who may exercise it more to those good purposes for which it is given.

...As soon as the prince sets himself up above law, he loses the king in the tyrant. He does, to all intents and purposes, unking himself by acting out of and beyond that sphere which the constitution allows him to move in; and in such cases he has no more right to be obeyed than any inferior officer who acts beyond his commission. The subjects' obligation to allegiance then ceases of course: and to resist him is no more rebellion, than to resist any foreign invader.

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Given what Mayhew preached, (his sermons were a key influence upon men like Franklin and Jefferson), since this current government has 'unkinged itself' and thus has no moral authority whatsoever - we the people have NO MORAL OBLIGATION to submit to their laws or rules, rather we have an obligation to resist for the purpose of preserving those rights that are institutionally being trampled.

Electing one tyrant over another is not an option either, for we are only to support those who have demonstrated that they will rule within the fear of God and who have demonstrated they are consistent with the obedience to the Commands of the Lord.

Neither 'candidate' running in the two major parties of the oligarchy meet the minimal requirements for our support.  As Mayhew would say - voting for them would be akin to voting for devils.

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Re: States' rights
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2016, 11:04:16 pm »
An article 5 convention of States could lay the groundwork for proof that all civil means had been exhausted. The trick would be to get media to present that as it is, an attempt by Americans to rein in a government run amok, and not as some bunch of angry kooks. That will require patient and calm education of the American People as to just what their rights are supposed to be.


That sounds really good and I agree but WHAT media are we going to use?  Youtube, Twitter, Facebook? Cable? Antenna?  I have the impression there are very few choices who aren't heavily influenced by or just plain in the bag for Big Bother. Most people seem to only have the attention span of a sound byte these days. And by most people I mean the ones you/we are trying to reach. A campaign of "enrichment" type of "propaganda" is what is needed. The trick would be to trick them into paying attention.

And a good campaign may be to get our kids to help. Have them make sure we know of teachers who bring their own politics into the classroom. A good yelling match at PTA meetings could get the ball rolling. Let local leaders know that parents have had enough of the crap. Go from there.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2016, 11:16:24 pm »
@INVAR

"...That no civil rulers are to be obeyed when they enjoin things that are inconsistent with the commands of God: All such disobedience is lawful and glorious; particularly, if persons refuse to comply with any legal establishment of religion, because it is a gross perversion and corruption… All commands running counter to the declared will of the supreme legislator of heaven and earth, are null and void: And therefore disobedience to them is a duty, not a crime."

So they push the homo agenda. Or abortion.  And with this they confuse what an individual's rights really are.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2016, 11:24:34 pm »
@INVAR

"...That no civil rulers are to be obeyed when they enjoin things that are inconsistent with the commands of God: All such disobedience is lawful and glorious; particularly, if persons refuse to comply with any legal establishment of religion, because it is a gross perversion and corruption… All commands running counter to the declared will of the supreme legislator of heaven and earth, are null and void: And therefore disobedience to them is a duty, not a crime."

So they push the homo agenda. Or abortion.  And with this they confuse what an individual's rights really are.
They did that with Roe, and that O Hare woman. First they got God out of the classroom (dumped prayer by ruling the 1st confers a freedom from religion even being mentioned). Then, after pushing the source of our unalienable rights (Almighty God) from public view, went after the first-mentioned unalienable Right, that being the Right to Life. From there Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness were downhill...
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2016, 11:37:10 pm »
@Smokin Joe


Yes. They have been at this for a long time. People need to educated correctly. Or is it re-educated?

Someone mentioned the people's mindset needs to be changed.

It took God 40 years and a couple of generations dying off for the Israelites to have the right mindset to partake of the promised land. And even at that what was the mission? Right. KMD.

I don't think we have 40 years.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #105 on: August 19, 2016, 12:14:03 am »
This people no longer understand liberty, and often - do not want it.  They want license and provision and safety nets, they DO NOT WANT responsibility and the opportunity to prosper or to fail.

Perhaps when liberty no longer exists at all, a remnant will remember what it was and will do what they can to attempt to regain it under a new and different system, not the one that has been perverted beyond redemption.

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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #106 on: August 19, 2016, 12:41:07 am »
This people no longer understand liberty, and often - do not want it.  They want license and provision and safety nets, they DO NOT WANT responsibility and the opportunity to prosper or to fail.

And THAT is the crux of the matter.  We cannot force people to be free, who do not want to be free.  That's true of Iraq and Afghanistan; that's true of modern Russia, which threw their Big Chance away in half a generation.  And that's true domestically.

While the appetite for liberty is instinctive, there are prerequisite understandings that a people must have, lest they throw it away for promised security or Free Excrement.  The youngest generations of Americans do not have this moral and educational preparation.  And the generations passing are operating on "Normalcy Bias" - they cannot imagine America without freedom; they do not believe that Fascism or Nazism or Communism or Sharia can happen here; and they think it will continue without work and no matter what they or their offspring do or believe.

Perhaps when liberty no longer exists at all, a remnant will remember what it was and will do what they can to attempt to regain it under a new and different system, not the one that has been perverted beyond redemption.

If it goes that far, it will be a thousand years of darkness.  AT LEAST.

The educated people; the cultured people, the keepers of knowledge, will die off.  Will be KILLED.  It will be Survival of the Fittest and the fittest will not be the nice people.  Famine, disease and brutal roving bands will take the less-brutal persons.

And what makes many persons, especially urban minorities, totally unfit for today's world...may make them MORE fit for this post-Christianity, post-American world.  They have raw strength and they have the ability to be brutal - without any empathy or moral checks.

Their people came from a continent that NEVER HAS hosted an elaborate civilization.  Only European colonists brought it to them; and even after ejecting the colonists and their rule, they were unable even to KEEP IT GOING in any state of order.  And they may be the ones who, genetically, thrive.  It will be more than a thousand years, and probably more than 10,000.

The short answer is this:  If we collapse fast, and if we have the moral courage to do with the culprits what must always be done with traitors...we can bounce back fast.  As did Germany and Japan.  As did Russia...even though they could not keep freedom, they liquidated their horrible regime, did it bloodlessly, and for a short time enjoyed freedom.  Even now they have more economic freedom than they did.

If we go down slowly, the knowledge and morality will be lost; and the rise upward will be exponentially slower.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #107 on: August 19, 2016, 12:51:14 am »
And what makes many persons, especially urban minorities, totally unfit for today's world...may make them MORE fit for this post-Christianity, post-American world.  They have raw strength and they have the ability to be brutal - without any empathy or moral checks.


Whoa, boy. Steady there!
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2016, 01:19:28 am »
And what makes many persons, especially urban minorities, totally unfit for today's world...may make them MORE fit for this post-Christianity, post-American world.  They have raw strength and they have the ability to be brutal - without any empathy or moral checks.


Whoa, boy. Steady there!

Would you like to review YouTube videos of Ferguson or Baltimore or now Milwaukee?

Those are not overly nice people.  Those are not the kind you want joining your church.

But those are the kind that will survive, mostly at the expense of others, in post-Apocalypse America.

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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #109 on: August 19, 2016, 01:30:24 am »
If it goes that far, it will be a thousand years of darkness.  AT LEAST.

...Their people came from a continent that NEVER HAS hosted an elaborate civilization.  Only European colonists brought it to them; and even after ejecting the colonists and their rule, they were unable even to KEEP IT GOING in any state of order.  And they may be the ones who, genetically, thrive.  It will be more than a thousand years, and probably more than 10,000.

We were told in advance what to expect at the End of the Age.

If we are near that time - then what will occur shortly is a time of horror this planet has never seen before, and will never see again.

Because if Providence does not intervene, no life will be saved alive.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #110 on: August 19, 2016, 01:40:41 am »
Would you like to review YouTube videos of Ferguson or Baltimore or now Milwaukee?

Those are not overly nice people.  Those are not the kind you want joining your church.

But those are the kind that will survive, mostly at the expense of others, in post-Apocalypse America.
Organized, ruthless, tribal (gangs), no qualm at violence, entitled (to whatever they can grab), without conscience--except toward members of their group--if that, vicious, and filled with hatred for those they have been told are the ones holding them back from day one. Ruthless, lean, and mean..

facing...

People who have been conditioned away from violence, who are too caught up in petty squabbles to have an organizing principle, who have been conditioned to not be racist, who have no overt grudge, who have been raised to treat others well, and to be nonviolent, who will likely puke the first time they have to shoot someone or go into shock at the sight of one of their own getting shot. Overweight, out of shape, and generally nonaggressive folks in the 'burbs.

Not a pretty picture, but the latter outnumber the former, and will get their mad on, given reason. I am reminded of a quote about waking a sleeping dragon.

It would be best if all remain civil, not that they will.
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Re: States' rights
« Reply #111 on: August 19, 2016, 01:58:02 am »
I think one state just beginning the process, taking a vote of the population, would lend some effort into a few more politicians taking states rights more seriously.

Thanks for support.  I am really tired of the incessant negative nature of people who say some things cannot be done.

I really meant it when I talked about our Founders.  They were unbelievable, God-fearing individuals who did what no one in the world, and I mean NO ONE would have thought possible.

Those today who say 'It is now different' have no idea that people have been doing the almost impossible since Biblical times.

All they have to do is to study the Bible.

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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #112 on: August 19, 2016, 02:03:43 am »
@ Idaho_Cowboy

Oh and hey. Idaho is where the Texans will be headed.

You mean here? http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/08/07/pamela-geller-shocking-new-details-emerge-idaho-muslim-migrant-rape-case/

Why would Texans like me go to a place that protects non-Americans that rape our daughters?
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #113 on: August 19, 2016, 02:04:52 am »
@JustPassinThru  @Smokin Joe  @INVAR

Those are not overly nice people.  Those are not the kind you want joining your church.

When the cable, internet, and cell phones are cut off factor in those billions of people living in their parents' basements.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #114 on: August 19, 2016, 02:08:58 am »


Why would Texans like me go to a place that protects non-Americans that rape our daughters?

Because you are already there.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #115 on: August 19, 2016, 02:12:45 am »
They did that with Roe, and that O Hare woman. First they got God out of the classroom (dumped prayer by ruling the 1st confers a freedom from religion even being mentioned). Then, after pushing the source of our unalienable rights (Almighty God) from public view, went after the first-mentioned unalienable Right, that being the Right to Life. From there Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness were downhill...

You brought up an old thorn in the side from my Austin catholic school days who, although she got God out of schools, was lost to the world as one of her followers decided to lose her and her progeny to the world as well.

What goes around, comes around.

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Madalyn Murray O'Hair (née Mays; April 13, 1919 – September 29, 1995),[1] who also used multiple pseudonyms (her most preferred being M. Bible),[2] was an American atheist activist, founder of American Atheists, and the organization's president from 1963 to 1986. She created the first issues of American Atheist Magazine. One of her sons, Jon Garth Murray, became the nominal president of the organization from 1986 to 1995, but she remained de facto president during these nine years.

O'Hair is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending official Bible-reading in American public schools in 1963. This came just one year after the Supreme Court prohibited officially sponsored prayer in schools in Engel v. Vitale. After she founded the American Atheists and won Murray v. Curlett, she achieved attention to the extent that in 1964 Life magazine referred to her as "the most hated woman in America".[3][4]

In 1995, O'Hair, her son Jon, and her granddaughter Robin disappeared from Austin, Texas, and were kidnapped, murdered, and mutilated by David Roland Waters, a convicted felon out on parole, and fellow career criminals Gary Karr and Danny Fry. Waters was an employee of the American Atheists from February 1993 to April 1994, first as a typesetter and later as office manager.[5]
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #116 on: August 19, 2016, 02:21:11 am »
Organized, ruthless, tribal (gangs), no qualm at violence, entitled (to whatever they can grab), without conscience--except toward members of their group--if that, vicious, and filled with hatred for those they have been told are the ones holding them back from day one. Ruthless, lean, and mean..

facing...

People who have been conditioned away from violence, who are too caught up in petty squabbles to have an organizing principle, who have been conditioned to not be racist, who have no overt grudge, who have been raised to treat others well, and to be nonviolent, who will likely puke the first time they have to shoot someone or go into shock at the sight of one of their own getting shot. Overweight, out of shape, and generally nonaggressive folks in the 'burbs.

Not a pretty picture, but the latter outnumber the former, and will get their mad on, given reason. I am reminded of a quote about waking a sleeping dragon.

It would be best if all remain civil, not that they will.

You are bringing up the rationale my wife and I used to decide to retire outside the big city and get into the country.

Am sure the geologist in Smokin Joe will do the same when given the opportunity.

I find the rural people of solid character and honest compared to urban contemporaries.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #117 on: August 19, 2016, 02:25:35 am »
Because you are already there.

Wrong.  I am not in Idaho.
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« Reply #118 on: August 19, 2016, 02:30:59 am »
Wrong.  I am not in Idaho.

You will be when you git up there and fix that mess.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2016, 02:46:36 am »
You are bringing up the rationale my wife and I used to decide to retire outside the big city and get into the country.

Am sure the geologist in Smokin Joe will do the same when given the opportunity.

I find the rural people of solid character and honest compared to urban contemporaries.
I grew up out in 'the sticks', but towns grew to meet up. I have found rural folks to be of decent character almost everywhere with rare exceptions good God-fearing folks. I'm in North Dakota, where towns are 'rural' by most definitions. Only the 'big cities' are over 50K in population.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2016, 03:25:05 pm »
Would you like to review YouTube videos of Ferguson or Baltimore or now Milwaukee?

Those are not overly nice people.  Those are not the kind you want joining your church.

But those are the kind that will survive, mostly at the expense of others, in post-Apocalypse America.
I thought the church was for sinners.  :pondering:
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #121 on: August 19, 2016, 03:32:26 pm »
You mean here? http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/08/07/pamela-geller-shocking-new-details-emerge-idaho-muslim-migrant-rape-case/

Why would Texans like me go to a place that protects non-Americans that rape our daughters?
some journalist got burned on that one. As far as I can make out no one was raped, no one was stabbed, and it the weren't from Syria as originally reported, and the incident was handled. A lot of people saw a story that fit the narrative  they were pushing.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article84829787.html

It's kind of like giant city owned by China out in the desert that everyone was up in arms about several years ago. I've been to Kuna and unless they are hiding in the Quick Wok there isn't one.  :tinfoil:

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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #122 on: August 19, 2016, 03:36:54 pm »
You are bringing up the rationale my wife and I used to decide to retire outside the big city and get into the country.

Am sure the geologist in Smokin Joe will do the same when given the opportunity.

I find the rural people of solid character and honest compared to urban contemporaries.

I managed it this year, long before retirement.  The one way hour and more commute is terrible, but my current job lets me work from home sometimes.
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Re: Resistance, Secession, Sovereignty and State's Rights
« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2016, 03:58:31 pm »
I thought the church was for sinners.  :pondering:

REPENTANT sinners.

Those who revel in sin have some housekeeping before they come into the Temple.

Certainly before I welcome them in MY congregation.

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Re: States' rights
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2016, 04:12:28 pm »
I am really tired of the incessant negative nature of people who say some things cannot be done.

I really meant it when I talked about our Founders.  They were unbelievable, God-fearing individuals who did what no one in the world, and I mean NO ONE would have thought possible.

Those today who say 'It is now different' have no idea that people have been doing the almost impossible since Biblical times.

All they have to do is to study the Bible.

Start with Deuteronomy 28 - especially notice verses 15 to the end of the chapter (the first 15 verses applied to our Founding and rise as the greatest superpower on earth).

We are currently at the curses portion of that warning from God to a nation of HIS people, who call themselves by HIS NAME.

Then it would do some good to study Lamentations.

A people and a church that see no need to repent, and are instead embracing that which the Lord declared abominations - are not a people or nation God is going to bless.  Rather He will curse it and allow it to be consumed by their own follies and the abased desires of it's peoples.

That is what one discovers when in study of the scriptures.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775