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RNC considers cutting cash to Trump

GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.


By ELI STOKOLS and KENNETH P. VOGEL 08/14/16 07:29 AM EDT

Publicly, Republican Party officials continue to stand by Donald Trump. Privately, at the highest levels, party leaders have started talking about cutting off support to Trump in October and redirecting cash to save endangered congressional majorities.

Since the Cleveland convention, top party officials have been quietly making the case to political journalists, donors and GOP operatives that the Republican National Committee has done more to help Trump than it did to support its 2012 nominee Mitt Romney, and that therefore Trump has only himself and his campaign to blame for his precipitous slide in the polls, according to people who have spoken with Republican leadership.


Sean Spicer, the RNC’s top strategist, on Wednesday made that case to 14 political reporters he convened at the organization’s Capitol Hill headquarters for an off-the-record conversation about the election.

Reporters from POLITICO and BuzzFeed were not invited.

According to several people who attended, Spicer spent much of the session detailing all the RNC resources that have been deployed to swing states and how the party’s infrastructure is stronger than it has ever been.

Republicans are infuriated that Donald Trump is campaigning in deep-blue Connecticut while his poll numbers dip in red and swing states.

In the words of one person in the room, the message was that the RNC has “all these staffers out there working and knocking on doors, with a data system they believe rivals what Obama build in 2012 — so it’s not their fault.”

Spicer emphasized that RNC chairman Reince Priebus has been working aggressively to coach Trump into being a more disciplined candidate, calling the nominee “five or six times a day,” according to another person present at last week’s closed-door meeting.

According to sources close to Priebus, the chairman has warned that if Trump does not better heed this persistent advice to avoid dustups driven by his rhetoric, the RNC might not be able to help him as much — suggesting that money and ground resources might be diverted.

To this point, Spicer has suggested a mid-October deadline for turning around the presidential campaign, suggesting last week to reporters and in separate discussions with GOP operatives that it would cause serious concern inside the RNC if Trump were to remain in a weakened position by then.

Operatives close to the RNC leadership who have heard this argument from party leadership, say the committee might have to make a decision about pulling the plug on Trump before that.

“Early voting in Ohio starts in a few weeks, there’s a 45-day window for absentee voters, so mid-September would probably be the latest the RNC could redeploy assets and have any real impact,” said an RNC member privately. “The only thing you could change in mid-October would be to shift some TV ads, maybe try to prop up Senate candidates in tough races like [Rob] Portman, [Marco] Rubio and [Pat] Toomey.”

One high-level Republican strategist added: “The party committee has this same job every cycle, to employ limited resources to maximum effect at the ballot box. ... And that means not pouring precious resources into dysfunctional, noncooperative, losing campaigns.”

Spicer, asked Saturday night about the ongoing discussions, told POLITICO that Trump could not be cut off soon because the party needs him to raise more money. “When I’ve gotten these questions, I’ve been correcting the record. There is no talk of shifting resources in mid-August and it’s unlikely that would happen until late September or October.”

He also said the RNC did not view the current polling deficit suffered by Trump to be impossible to overcome.

But on Thursday, POLITICO revealed that more than 70 Republicans had signed a letter to Priebus that urged him to immediately cut off spending on Trump and to shift cash to saving the party’s congressional majorities instead.

Within the Trump campaign, there has been suspicion for months that the RNC already has not been as supportive of its nominee as it could — and should — be, according to operatives in and around the campaign.

“There’s lingering doubt,” said one operative who has worked with the campaign. “It's never really improved much, and never for long.” The operative dismissed efforts to withhold RNC support from Trump as “only coming from the usual suspects — the same crap from the same Republicans who can’t win elections.”

One Trump staffer dismissed the possibility that the RNC might cut off funding to the nominee and downplayed talk of tension between the entities. The staffer said he communicates with his party counterparts “multiple times a day and the interactions are 100 percent good.”

Other Trump allies in and around the campaign fear that the RNC could use Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s widening lead in polls to justify pulling the plug on Trump before he has a chance to even the race.

RNC fundraisers have in fact been signaling to major donors a way that they could write huge checks to Trump’s joint fundraising committee with the RNC and dictate that only a fraction — if any — of the cash would go to Trump.

Spicer has said RNC fundraisers are not communicating this sentiment.

But one fundraiser with knowledge of the party’s high-dollar fundraising efforts said earlier this summer that the message to leery donors was “people can give to the RNC and not to him.”

Through the end of June — the period covered by the most recent Federal Election Commission filings — the main Trump-RNC joint fundraising committee had transferred only $2.2 million to Trump’s campaign, compared with $10.1 million to the RNC.

The committee, Trump Victory, still had $12.1 million in the bank at that point. And his campaign announced that it had combined with the joint committee to raise $80 million in July, though it’s unclear how much of that was transferred to his campaign, as opposed to the party.

Trump himself declared Thursday that he’s doing more to boost the RNC’s coffers than the campaign is doing for him, and warned that he might back out of the joint fundraising arrangement.

By Friday, though, Trump was praising Priebus for doing “such a great job. We’re friends. We work together. We work with a lot of other people and I have to say we have great unification. Now, every once in a while, you read about somebody that wants to be a rebel, they get a little free publicly for themselves.”

Priebus, Spicer and other RNC brass also projected a united front, with Priebus rejecting reports of discord by showing up Friday at a Trump rally in Erie, Pennsylvania. “Don’t believe the garbage you read,” Priebus said. “Let me tell you something: Donald Trump, the Republican Party, all of you, we’re gonna put him in the White House and save this country together.”

But the RNC’s frustration is at a boiling point after a week of deepening division between the organization’s political and communications staffs and their counterparts on the Trump campaign.

Beyond the candidate’s continued rhetorical carelessness on the stump, his campaign has confounded GOP officials with a travel schedule — more events have been announced in Colorado and Virginia, two swing states that appear to be out of reach, and even deep blue Connecticut — that many believe is a poor use of the candidate’s time.

“He has shown no interest in doing the tough demographic work that’s necessary in campaigns,” one RNC member said. “You don't see them trying to talk to independent women, educated Hispanics; and beyond that, it’s an issue of strategic staffing. I don’t think he understands how presidential campaigns are won.”

“The senior staff gets it,” that RNC member said, “but the true believers outnumber them.”

After four years spent working toward winning back the White House, the RNC’s shift toward an endgame it didn’t envision — essentially deciding when to concede the White House to focus on saving the Senate and saving face — is a sign of resignation setting in.

On Wednesday evening as reporters were filing into the RNC’s conference room, Spicer, RNC political director Chris Carr and spokeswoman Lindsay Walters were ready to begin the briefing, but the attendees were focused on the flat screen TVs on the walls, which were tuned to CNN’s live coverage of an unknown individual, later determined to be a Trump supporter from Virginia, climbing up the glass exterior of Trump Tower with suction cups.

Even in the belly of the RNC, there was no escaping the near constant distractions of Trump.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-rnc-support-226987#ixzz4HKWvwFQS
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Well duh.

Every other candidate accepts responsibility for their own loss.

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Well next time have better people running.  Trump beat them all. What does that say about the GOP and their leadership?

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The smell of defeat is wafting over the entire Republican party. 

They deserve it for sticking us with this clown.
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Well next time have better people running.  Trump beat them all. What does that say about the GOP and their leadership?

The RNC deserves a lot of blame for not allowing delegates to replace Trump at the Convention.
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The smell of defeat is wafting over the entire Republican party. 

They deserve it for sticking us with this clown.
Preibus should have been removed after the 2012 Romney debacle.  I don't know whose incriminating pictures he has to have kept his job.

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The RNC deserves a lot of blame for not allowing delegates to replace Trump at the Convention.
With who? Who was this "Knight in Shining Armor" that would have saved the day?

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With who? Who was this "Knight in Shining Armor" that would have saved the day?

Anybody.  Seriously.  No candidate who stood on that stage with Trump last September would be doing as poorly as he's doing now.
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Anybody.  Seriously.  No candidate who stood on that stage with Trump last September would be doing as poorly as he's doing now.
I respectfully disagree.  This is the same country that elected Obama twice, and the demographics have not improved.

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The smell of defeat is wafting over the entire Republican party. 

They deserve it for sticking us with this clown.

As the GOP hemorrhages voters over time, whether from unpalatable candidates to death by old age, there is a shrinking base of eligible primary voters.  And that base becomes more extreme over time. 

An example of this is the TOS.  It used to mirror the GOP electorate, but over 16-odd years, deaths and unpopular positions have slowly weeded out those that disagree.  (This was helped with zots, but many self-selected to leave.)

As a result of this self-selection, I expect to see the GOP saddled with even more extreme candidates, despite last cycle's autopsy results... and the likely results from this cycle.  In essence, GOP politicians know what's needed to be elected in the general, but the GOP primary voter will not listen.

I figure that without a full repudiation of the "extremists" in the GOP and a supervisory panel vetting all GOP prospective candidates for fitness in the general election, we will see a 2020 Presidential candidate even more insane than Trump... who will get the GOP primary vote.  Thus forcing another wave of departures.

In essence, the GOP is stuck in a classic destructive spiral, where ever action leads to a negative result... which leads to more negative actions.
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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2016, 06:20:23 pm »
You mean somebody who thinks even less of the First Amendment?

This is an hour old:

 
Donald J. Trump
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It is not "freedom of the press" when newspapers and others are allowed to say and write whatever they want even if it is completely false!
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2016, 06:29:17 pm »
It is only the nominee's job to attract voters

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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2016, 06:51:28 pm »
I respectfully disagree.  This is the same country that elected Obama twice, and the demographics have not improved.

This is the spin the Trumpsters will launch.  It just doesn't hold water.  Hillary Clinton is a terrible candidate running in an open election, and she was beatable by several of the men running on the Republican ticket.  Talk to Democrats - they will tell you the same thing.  Even with fourteen months of insanity from Trump, he is only 6.4% behind. 

Republicans knew exactly what they needed to do: Maintain a 60% share of the caucasian voters by starting with a platform of individualism and responsibility, while regaining their pre-2008 support levels among young voters and racial minorities by stressing themes of inclusion and aspiration.  They chose the one candidate who was guaranteed to fail on every point!

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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2016, 07:57:17 pm »
Well next time have better people running.  Trump beat them all. What does that say about the GOP and their leadership?

That FPTP is a bad system for getting the best candidate in a large field.
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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2016, 08:00:08 pm »
The RNC deserves a lot of blame for not allowing delegates to replace Trump at the Convention.

The GOP should have locked Trump out on day one. If he wanted to run he could still run as a democrat or Indy.

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2016, 08:03:23 pm »
The GOP should have locked Trump out on day one. If he wanted to run he could still run as a democrat or Indy.

Absolutely. 

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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2016, 08:07:15 pm »
With who? Who was this "Knight in Shining Armor" that would have saved the day?

I like Ben Sasse or Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2016, 08:07:17 pm »
Well next time have better people running.  Trump beat them all. What does that say about the GOP and their leadership?

We did have better people running.  Much, much, much better people running.  The fault lies with the Trumpkins; LIVs motivated by fear and hatred, and for whom the presidency is supposed to be a reality TV show.  If the Kardashians had run, they'd most likely have beat Trump.  Trumpkins don't want to undo the results of Obamaism, they want to have their own Obama. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2016, 08:12:24 pm »
We did have better people running.  Much, much, much better people running.  The fault lies with the Trumpkins; LIVs motivated by fear and hatred, and for whom the presidency is supposed to be a reality TV show.  If the Kardashians had run, they'd most likely have beat Trump.  Trumpkins don't want to undo the results of Obamaism, they want to have their own Obama.

We told them that Trump would lose from the very beginning.  :shrug:

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2016, 08:13:51 pm »
We told them that Trump would lose from the very beginning.  :shrug:

Yes we did. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2016, 08:15:42 pm »
The GOP should have locked Trump out on day one. If he wanted to run he could still run as a democrat or Indy.

The primaries weren't that long ago.

Trump initially was going to run as an independent.  The GOP was terrified of another Ross Perot situation and enticed Trump to run as a Republican, thinking Jeb Bush would crush him

I thought it a bad idea af the time as doing so would tar the GOP with Trump's nativism and ethnic/religious hatreds.


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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2016, 08:18:24 pm »
We did have better people running.   
Looks like the voters disagreed.

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Re: GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2016, 08:20:41 pm »
Well next time have better people running.  Trump beat them all. What does that say about the GOP and their leadership?

Next time have fewer people running.  Trump manged to get the nomination primarily by getting pluralities in winner-take-all states.

The GOP needs to go to closed primaries and caucuses, even it means using party money to run them, rather than taking the state's dime from states that offer to run open primaries, and refuse to seat delegates chosen by winner-take-all procedures.  Or better still, select candidates the way parties in other democratic societies select party leaders -- narrow the field to three or four approved by the party leadership before letting the party rank-and-file have their say.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2016, 08:25:31 pm »
Looks like the voters disagreed.

Because the Trumpkins were motivated by fear, hatred, and didn't give a fig about the Constitution or anything else, all they wanted was their own version of Obama. 

That's the risk of democracy, and why the Founders did not provide for direct elections but rather a republican system: because voters who give in to a demagogue will usually pick the worst candidate.  Unfortunately, in this case that is exactly what happened. 

Just remember: when your boy gets his a$$ thrashed like an S&M sub, payback is going to be the worst b*tch you've ever experienced.  You better hope and pray for a miracle. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2016, 08:40:58 pm »
Looks like the voters disagreed.

A small plurality and Dem cross-overs voting for Trump while the rest were split between too many candidates. Almost all of them better men than Trump.