Laura Ingraham Successfully Persuades Me Not To Vote For Donald Trump

[Norm Lenhart]

I still want to know - where's the magic?  What do they see in this spoiled brat, not very bright, completely non-conservative lunatic?

Isn't it obvious? they see themselves in perfect reflection. Liberal, America hating followers of progressive leftism.

They ARE backing a guy that hates America (he routinely attempts to subvert the constitution; supports Obama's policies like Amnesty, back door or otherwise; and told conservatives, by name and to their face' 'sorry' and we were gonna 'cover everybody'.

Thats what they support. Because they are trying to elect the man pushing those things.

[Applewood]

@musiclady:

"I'm beginning to wonder if any of the "conservative" pundits forcing Trump down our throats ever HAD integrity."

***

Well, I knew they didn't have any integrity back when they were all shilling for Romney.  But at least back then, they weren't calling anti-Romney voters "traitors."  Today, they have ramped up the vitriol.  They should know their behavior isn't winning their candidate any support.  Amazing how supposedly smart people have turned stupid.

[musiclady]

@musiclady:

"I'm beginning to wonder if any of the "conservative" pundits forcing Trump down our throats ever HAD integrity."

***

Well, I knew they didn't have any integrity back when they were all shilling for Romney.  But at least back then, they weren't calling anti-Romney voters "traitors."  Today, they have ramped up the vitriol.  They should know their behavior isn't winning their candidate any support.  Amazing how supposedly smart people have turned stupid.

The interesting thing to me is that their idiotic language about our being "immoral" and "traitors" has got to be losing them listeners too......  some who have listened for a very long time.

Since they are primarily entertainers, and clearly not conservatives, you'd think that they'd care about losing their audience.

But apparently, they don't.

[Emjay]

Yes, this campaign has been an eye opener....a very depressing eye opener. All those "conservative" talk show hosts and pundits who for years/decades told us how important it was to support real moral conservatives then dump on every last one them to support the most immoral, least constitutionally-minded, least conservative Pubbie candidate ever. The mind boggles. How can they look themselves in the mirror?
The biggest disappointment is Rush who knows better and has stated that Trump is not a conservative. Nevertheless, he gave tacit support to Trump through the primaries and now is one of the chief apologists for The Orange Toad's daily gaffes. Rush is almost now totally unlistenable as he toadies up to The Orange Toad.  Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I agree.  Laura, Ann Coulter, the loathsome toad Hannity, etal, have thrown themselves on the burning pyre of Trump's demise ... and it doesn't bother me that much.

But Rush ... no, I've loved Rush for too many years not to be hurt by this.  Until recently, the Rush thread on TOS was filled with hate and venom ... (you ain't seen hate and venom until you see  trumper hate and venom)  because Rush held back on total worship of Trump and admitted Ted Cruz was the better conservative.

Now Rush has decided to go full bore Trump.  I could respect it if Rush would acknowledge the utter horror of Trump's but avow that he would be better than Hillary.  That's a defensible position.  But to see him do this just hurts.

[Emjay]

Someone referred to "shilling for Romney."

I don't get that attitude.  I would dance to the poles to vote for Romney.  He's far from perfect but he is a decent man so far above Trump in every way that Trump could not even see him if he looked up.

[musiclady]

I agree.  Laura, Ann Coulter, the loathsome toad Hannity, etal, have thrown themselves on the burning pyre of Trump's demise ... and it doesn't bother me that much.

But Rush ... no, I've loved Rush for too many years not to be hurt by this.  Until recently, the Rush thread on TOS was filled with hate and venom ... (you ain't seen hate and venom until you see  trumper hate and venom)  because Rush held back on total worship of Trump and admitted Ted Cruz was the better conservative.

Now Rush has decided to go full bore Trump.  I could respect it if Rush would acknowledge the utter horror of Trump's but avow that he would be better than Hillary.  That's a defensible position.  But to see him do this just hurts.

I agree.  Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham.......... no big deal.

But Rush??  I didn't agree with everything he said, but I respected the guy.  It does hurt to be betrayed by someone you've listened to and believed for so many years.

And once again, arguing that Trump is awful, but better than Hillary is a defensible position.  But that's a far cry from Rush's full scale assault on conservatism in his embrace of Trump.

Can't listen any more.

[XenaLee]

I agree.  Hannity, Coulter, Ingraham.......... no big deal.

But Rush??  I didn't agree with everything he said, but I respected the guy.  It does hurt to be betrayed by someone you've listened to and believed for so many years.

And once again, arguing that Trump is awful, but better than Hillary is a defensible position.  But that's a far cry from Rush's full scale assault on conservatism in his embrace of Trump.

Can't listen any more.

Well Mark Levin is still holding out on that Trump Train To Hell ride.  He even asked (rhetorically) if Trump was the leader of #NeverTrump.  I also noticed that we haven't heard anything about Trump lately from Michelle Malkin.  After being called a dummy by him, she hasn't really been hammering him like she did a few years ago.  I'd love to see her comments on his latest "gaffes" and behavior.

Here she is back in 2011...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZT30v__ho

And hell, even Brieitbart tried to warn us "back then" about Trump.  He must be roiling in his grave right about now.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2015/08/08/andrew-breitbart-and-michelle-malkin-warned-conservatives-about-the-donald/

[musiclady]

Well Mark Levin is still holding out on that Trump Train To Hell ride.  He even asked (rhetorically) if Trump was the leader of #NeverTrump.  I also noticed that we haven't heard anything about Trump lately from Michelle Malkin.  After being called a dummy by him, she hasn't really been hammering him like she did a few years ago.  I'd love to see her comments on his latest "gaffes" and behavior.

Here she is back in 2011...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZT30v__ho

And hell, even Brieitbart tried to warn us "back then" about Trump.  He must be roiling in his grave right about now.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/southernconstitutionalist/2015/08/08/andrew-breitbart-and-michelle-malkin-warned-conservatives-about-the-donald/

Thank heavens for Mark Levin!  Stay strong, Mark!

And yes, about Breitbart......  what a shame to bring a website with his name on it into the abyss.  It's disgraceful.

[XenaLee]

Someone referred to "shilling for Romney."

I don't get that attitude.  I would dance to the poles to vote for Romney.  He's far from perfect but he is a decent man so far above Trump in every way that Trump could not even see him if he looked up.

Yeah......who knew......that holding our collective noses and voting for Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008 would result in us having an even worse candidate years later.   

[Stosh]

Yeah......who knew......that holding our collective noses and voting for Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008 would result in us having an even worse candidate years later.   

In 2008 and 2012 I lived in a state where I could write-in The Incrediable Hulk, and not have any more effect than voting for the GOPe candidates.  I have moved to a now "battleground state" and had hoped to be able to vote for a real Republican option....silly me, the Cheeto Bandito vs. The Butcher of Benghazi wasn't near what I hoped for.

[HonestJohn]

Thanks Ben "Neo-Con" Shapiro. Really trustworthy.

I'll take a neo-con over an alt-right any day.

You, obviously, choose the opposite.

[geronl]

Unfortunately, Trump fans have already been prepared for defeat.  The campaign has told them that if Trump loses, it will be the fault of Ted Cruz, anyone who won't vote for Trump or support him, and the media - everyone, but Trump and his minions.  I expect that should Trump lose, the persecution of Trump opponents will only get worse.

Now the insidious accusation of "stabbing Trump in the back" is slung around. This is impossible, of course, I never backed Trump. I was never behind the guy, I can't "stab him in the back" as they say.

[XenaLee]

In 2008 and 2012 I lived in a state where I could write-in The Incrediable Hulk, and not have any more effect than voting for the GOPe candidates.  I have moved to a now "battleground state" and had hoped to be able to vote for a real Republican option....silly me, the Cheeto Bandito vs. The Butcher of Benghazi wasn't near what I hoped for.

I remember arguing incessantly at TOS against those vowing to sit out the election or to vote 3rd party because they couldn't hold their nose and vote for that lesser evil.  I thought they were misguided and they thought I was.

Thankfully....I can finally say.....

NOW I get it.

[Applewood]

Someone referred to "shilling for Romney."

I don't get that attitude.  I would dance to the poles to vote for Romney.  He's far from perfect but he is a decent man so far above Trump in every way that Trump could not even see him if he looked up.

I didn't realize till 2012 that the party, in cooperation with the media, was basically fixing the primaries so that Romney would win.   Once I got that, I refused to vote for the handpicked candidate. I still won't vote for the nominee if I think he is unsuitable for the job. 

 

[Sanguine]

I don't watch much FoxNews, but I just happened to catch Ingraham saying this while flipping channels.

My vote is free for the taking based solely upon merit.  I remember a day when the GOP was the party of merit.  No more.  I am now badgered and demonized for my vote simply because I continue to honor merit.

Ask any Trump supporter to sell you on Trump without mentioning Hillary, Democrats, Pence, primaries, his wealth, etc.  Just sell Trump.  It can't be done.  Within a minute or two, they will bring up Clinton and then begin attacking you for being a Clinton supporter.

I once had respect for Ingraham back when she had integrity.  Now that she has surrendered it, she no longer knows what merit is.

I'm shocked by Ingraham's actions here.  I used to listen to her regularly and she always seemed principled and squared away. 

[musiclady]

I remember arguing incessantly at TOS against those vowing to sit out the election or to vote 3rd party because they couldn't hold their nose and vote for that lesser evil.  I thought they were misguided and they thought I was.

Thankfully....I can finally say.....

NOW I get it.

Me too.

[geronl]

I didn't realize till 2012 that the party, in cooperation with the media, was basically fixing the primaries so that Romney would win.   Once I got that, I refused to vote for the handpicked candidate. I still won't vote for the nominee if I think he is unsuitable for the job.

They were extremely obvious about it in 2004, what with the whole "Maverick" John McCain standing up against the radical right-wing machine and all. Then once he had the nomination, he was toast. Of course it didn't help that he basically conceded before the voting even happened.

[goatprairie]

Another great Shapiro piece. I too have been more disturbed by Trump's followers and their wholesale abandonment of principles than anything else. They laughed at people swooning over Obama, but they're doing the same thing with somebody who is equally or possibly even more unworthy of it. I still want to know - where's the magic?  What do they see in this spoiled brat, not very bright, completely non-conservative lunatic?

My own feeling is that many of the Trump supporters are overlooking all his faults for one chief reason....his pledge to build The Wall. The Wall must trump (no pun intended) every other issue by a big margin.  Then they backtrack to say they support his lunatic stands on a variety of issues.  As if Limbaugh, Hannity, and a number of other would support a candidate with his personal history and unconservative support of many issues and candidates. The Wall...that's the only thing I can think of why normally conservative people would back a louse like Trump.

[Smokin Joe]

My own feeling is that many of the Trump supporters are overlooking all his faults for one chief reason....his pledge to build The Wall. The Wall must trump (no pun intended) every other issue by a big margin.  Then they backtrack to say they support his lunatic stands on a variety of issues.  As if Limbaugh, Hannity, and a number of other would support a candidate with his personal history and unconservative support of many issues and candidates. The Wall...that's the only thing I can why normally conservative people would back a louse like Trump.

There is another issue I see being brought up, and a valid one. That of bringing in absolutely unvetted and unvettable Muslim "refugees" willy-nilly. While it is related to the Wall in that it is a response to immigration policy which is ruinous, it plays on people's fear of terrorists on our shores.
Those acts are or appear to be 'random', (except attacking helpless groups of predominately non-Muslims), and if taken statistically, you have a far greater chance of being struck and killed by lightning than a terrorist.

Admittedly, those are both part of a larger problem that must be addressed, that of regulating the flow of people into this country, legally and especially illegally, and a problem which POTUS candidates have been supposed to solve for decades. Not since Operation Wetback (Eisenhower Administration) has this been done without just declaring the illegals 'legal'. Since 9/11, and actually before then, the spectre of terrorists from elsewhere has been present.

I have little faith that either of the two major candidates will accomplish much to deal with the problem if elected. Trump has already walked back the Wall from a physical structure to at least partly 'virtual', and in 100 years, no one will be able to lean against a virtual wall.

[Suppressed]

Yeah......who knew......that holding our collective noses and voting for Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008 would result in us having an even worse candidate years later.   

I fear that it was too few noses held that led us here. Trump would not be there without Obama.

[goatprairie]

There is another issue I see being brought up, and a valid one. That of bringing in absolutely unvetted and unvettable Muslim "refugees" willy-nilly. While it is related to the Wall in that it is a response to immigration policy which is ruinous, it plays on people's fear of terrorists on our shores.
Those acts are or appear to be 'random', (except attacking helpless groups of predominately non-Muslims), and if taken statistically, you have a far greater chance of being struck and killed by lightning than a terrorist.

Admittedly, those are both part of a larger problem that must be addressed, that of regulating the flow of people into this country, legally and especially illegally, and a problem which POTUS candidates have been supposed to solve for decades. Not since Operation Wetback (Eisenhower Administration) has this been done without just declaring the illegals 'legal'. Since 9/11, and actually before then, the spectre of terrorists from elsewhere has been present.

I have little faith that either of the two major candidates will accomplish much to deal with the problem if elected. Trump has already walked back the Wall from a physical structure to at least partly 'virtual', and in 100 years, no one will be able to lean against a virtual wall.

The Muslim immigration issue is another in Trump's favor. Even though  like you said, the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is pretty slim. But like Joe Kenda, the Homicide Hunter has stated, if you stay away from drugs  and dangerous parts of town,and don't stay out after midnight,  your chances of being murdered are minuscule.
But like the Mexican illegals, I doubt many of the Muslim immigrants can assimilate. I think the majority of adult Americans feel the same way.
However, Trump does not have the intelligence to argue his position.
And his screwball statements and positions on other issues makes him appear like an idiot to many Americans.

[Smokin Joe]

The Muslim immigration issue is another in Trump's favor. Even though  like you said, the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is pretty slim. But like Joe Kenda, the Homicide Hunter has stated, if you stay away from drugs  and dangerous parts of town,and don't stay out after midnight,  your chances of being murdered are minuscule.
But like the Mexican illegals, I doubt many of the Muslim immigrants can assimilate. I think the majority of adult Americans feel the same way.
However, Trump does not have the intelligence to argue his position.
And his screwball statements and positions on other issues makes him appear like an idiot to many Americans.

I'm a fan of Kenda, too. It sure seems nothing much good happens after midnight...

No, those groups won't assimilate as long as they have balkanized communities to disappear into and the cultural cover provided by those.communities, which is why the whole fallacy of sanctuary cities works against the security of the whole country.

[Bunny Watson]

There is another issue I see being brought up, and a valid one. That of bringing in absolutely unvetted and unvettable Muslim "refugees" willy-nilly. While it is related to the Wall in that it is a response to immigration policy which is ruinous, it plays on people's fear of terrorists on our shores.
Those acts are or appear to be 'random', (except attacking helpless groups of predominately non-Muslims), and if taken statistically, you have a far greater chance of being struck and killed by lightning than a terrorist.

Admittedly, those are both part of a larger problem that must be addressed, that of regulating the flow of people into this country, legally and especially illegally, and a problem which POTUS candidates have been supposed to solve for decades. Not since Operation Wetback (Eisenhower Administration) has this been done without just declaring the illegals 'legal'. Since 9/11, and actually before then, the spectre of terrorists from elsewhere has been present.

I have little faith that either of the two major candidates will accomplish much to deal with the problem if elected. Trump has already walked back the Wall from a physical structure to at least partly 'virtual', and in 100 years, no one will be able to lean against a virtual wall.

As I pointed out to a liberal (Canadian) friend of mine a couple months ago, Trump has thoroughly destroyed the ability for a rational conservative to argue in favor of much tighter (and enforced) immigration laws, probably for the next generation. Winning the nomination has, for all intents and purposes, married the Republican party to his damned loudmouth, no-nothing alt-right rhetoric. Your average, apolitical "undecided" (I leave off the hardcore leftists here, they're a lost cause anyway) hears that rhetoric spewing from Trump's mouth and assumes that this is what real conservatives think since for the last hundred or more years Republican = conservative. We're tarred with the same brush.

There was a rational, sane way to approach the immigration debate from the right. Heck, I've heard Krauthammer hint at it numerous times on Special Report.  There are articles and books from luminaries like Thomas Sowell that outline the problem with a lack of assimilation, all of which could have been simplified and presented in a rational way for the masses.  Did the Republican Party embrace them? No, they chose Trump's empty-headed rants instead.  And coming back from that is going to be a long, hard road for conservatives.

[Smokin Joe]

Romney is head and shoulders above trump. Many despise Romney and held their noses voting for him or didn't vote for him at all. I have no problem with that. If it cost Romney the election (I don't think it did) then I don't blame them. It is what it is. Obama still had the mystique of being the first African American president and many didn't want him to be a one term president. He had the hurricane and the praise from Christie that gave him a last minute boost. Many possibilities on why Romney lost. But that doesn't change that he was a decent man and you don't call those who didn't vote for him traitors.

Shilling for Romney      Right now I am shilling for McMulling:  McMullin Heading To Des Moines
https://www.evanmcmullin.com/heading_to_des_moines

I  even started to give him my financial support.

He looks like a good man, with a decent policy stance. Nothing there I disagree with, but those are just the basics.

[Bigun]

Romney is head and shoulders above trump. Many despise Romney and held their noses voting for him or didn't vote for him at all. I have no problem with that. If it cost Romney the election (I don't think it did) then I don't blame them. It is what it is. Obama still had the mystique of being the first African American president and many didn't want him to be a one term president. He had the hurricane and the praise from Christie that gave him a last minute boost. Many possibilities on why Romney lost. But that doesn't change that he was a decent man and you don't call those who didn't vote for him traitors.

Shilling for Romney      Right now I am shilling for McMulling:  McMullin Heading To Des Moines
https://www.evanmcmullin.com/heading_to_des_moines

I  even started to give him my financial support.

At the very least Romney had some genuine Republican bonifides!  Trump has exactly NONE!