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Re: Trump Calls Obama 'Founder of ISIS' - US News and World Report
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2016, 04:52:19 pm »
I'm afraid to ask what stupid thing he will say next...
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2016, 04:53:17 pm »
That's too bad, it's all in jest; so, those who hammer us with Trump graphics do not get any criticism? I'm not calling anyone an idiot as anti-Trumpsters do routinely here.

All I have is close to what an editorial cartoon is.  It's satire, it's been a part of the American system.




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It's called balance.

For those who denigrate Trump, it's almost a career and place Cruz on a pedestal.

Cruz does not represent all Conservatives.  He has barely passed any bill; one that got bipartisan support. 

I supported Cruz but I don't place him on a pedestal.

Again, for Conservatives, I will look to Walker and Perry and perhaps to Cruz too; I voted for him daily at the TOS. But I also know, listening to Cruz is much like listening to Levin or Limbaugh. It's not that new what he's doing and pretty green on experience.




Don't lump me with other Cruz supporters..
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2016, 05:04:36 pm »
See, Xena is typical of the anti-Trumpster crowd, firing off insults, no civil tone.

Oh, and the great Constitutional Conservative Cruz who has little to show for his political career is the most venerated.

Excuse me, Paul Ryan, Rick Perry, Tom Cotton, all of these people have endorsed Trump.  So, I take your insults into consideration.

I'm not backstabbing the GOP as we could say Cruz does.

If the US gets hit with a big terrorist attack, I can easily slander you right back for "siding with terrorists", there is no reason to engage in these petulant infantile games.

Let's see, the vulcans, abraxas, sinkspur, jazzhead etc. a lot of these people engage in 24 hour denigrating of individuals, now we are talking about individuals.

I hate to break it to you....but that WAS my "civil tone"...lol.  I have too much respect for the forum's integrity to display my uncivil tone.

And calling you a "Trump supporter" must have really hurt, eh?  I completely understand.

And btw, by all means....keep on dissing and demeaning Cruz there.  After all....he IS the one you Trump supporters really want to defeat, isn't he?

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Re: Trump Calls Obama 'Founder of ISIS' - US News and World Report
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2016, 05:08:21 pm »
Xena Lee; I'm on record for voting for Cruz in the primary and most every day at the daily poll at the other website.

If you don't like Democracy, maybe you should move to North Korea, someone won the primaries, it's as simple as that, I supported Romney in 2012 in the general election all the same though I did not vote for him in the primary. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney.

Really shows people why we get such bad leaders, when one is attacked for being loyal.

Trump may lose but there is little doubt, Cruz probably would lose to Clinton as well. Rubio probably did stand a good chance to defeat Clinton, better than the others and then Kasich.

I'm not going to cry over spilled milk or throw out the baby with the bathwater.

The Never Romneys griping helped give us Obama.

Yeah, I don't really care what you're "on record" with.  Your disrespect of Ted Cruz, even at this late date ...speaks volumes. 

And if you don't like the 1st Amendment and the freedom of speech that comes with it....primarily my freedom of speech to say what I think ....perhaps you're the one that should pack up and move to North Korea....or maybe China.
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2016, 05:12:58 pm »
I could be losing my mind, but I'd say Trump is pretty well right on the money here for a change. If he wants to drive this home he needs to tie it to Hillary and Obama being the cause of ISIS. Let's not forget Hillary is a traitor. That's a message that needs to be heard.
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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2016, 05:16:01 pm »
Trump is a realist:

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2016, 05:22:46 pm »
Trump is a realist:





And there it is again.   "....it's OK.  I go back to a very good way of life.".....

He keeps dog-whistle hinting....but none of the Trump supporters are hearing the clues or picking up on it.

He is clearly expecting to go back to his very good life (a long vacation) when Hillary, his good buddy, wins in November.

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"I think we're going to have victory but will see," Trump said. "At the end it's either going to work or I'm going to have a very very nice long vacation."

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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2016, 05:52:17 pm »
I could be losing my mind, but I'd say Trump is pretty well right on the money here for a change. If he wants to drive this home he needs to tie it to Hillary and Obama being the cause of ISIS. Let's not forget Hillary is a traitor. That's a message that needs to be heard.

It is encouraging, that rational thought about our national security, allows you to see the difference, in how these two view the world.

For example, I believe Trump is correct, on the need to stand much more firmly against Islamic terrorism. That means restricting new admittances, not increasing them by over 500% like Hillary says we should do.

It is my opinion the muslim refugees should stay in their home regions, not come to America (or Europe).

Other news this week reported the US would reach 10,000 muslims from Syria, this year. Hillary wants to increase that by 500%.

Anybody on this site who says Hillary and Trump are the same, must be missing brain food in his diet.

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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2016, 05:54:17 pm »
I noticed that, too. How long ago was Trump named the nominee? I know, it feels like years.
I think no one is above ridicule, and I also think the Cruz/Penguine icon is hilarious and really well done.  On the other hand I don't get the point of it?  How does Cruz's crap make Trump's crap not stink?

Cruz isn't the nominee...he's going to have a hard time getting re-elected to the Senate.  I guess @TomSea just really hates Cruz.  I had Cruz toward the bottom of my list of GOP Presidential nominees, but you couldn't hold me back from being first in line to vote against Hitlery if he had been the nominee.  With Trump at the top of the ticket...maybe I'll change the laundry.

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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2016, 06:09:36 pm »
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Cruz does not represent all Conservatives.  He has barely passed any bill; one that got bipartisan support. 

Apparently you fail to notice who's been sitting in the White House since 2009.  What would be an example of a bill with "bipartisan" support that you think Cruz should've and could've passed?
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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2016, 06:32:17 pm »
So, Trump triples down in an interview with Hugh Hewitt:

Hewitt did everything he could to give Trump an out, short of sticking his hand up Trump's bum to move his mouth the right way.  And still Trump couldn't take the hint.

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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2016, 06:34:24 pm »
I could be losing my mind, but I'd say Trump is pretty well right on the money here for a change. If he wants to drive this home he needs to tie it to Hillary and Obama being the cause of ISIS. Let's not forget Hillary is a traitor. That's a message that needs to be heard.

Well, no.... Hewitt's "I think what you meant to say..." comment is directly on the money. 

But Trump is so caught up in what people "like" that he seems unable to grasp the difference.

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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2016, 06:42:17 pm »
Hewitt did every thing he could to turn it into an intelligent answer. In the words of Foghorn Leghorn. "I keep pitching' em, and you keep missing' em".

Is there any doubt left that Trump is in this only for the roar of his own crowd and has no real interest in sitting behind the Resolute Desk and getting awaken each morning at 5 to attend the daily Brief.
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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2016, 06:47:23 pm »
Hewitt did every thing he could to turn it into an intelligent answer. In the words of Foghorn Leghorn. "I keep pitching' em, and you keep missing' em".

Is there any doubt left that Trump is in this only for the roar of his own crowd and has no real interest in sitting behind the Resolute Desk and getting awaken each morning at 5 to attend the daily Brief.



    he's doing it for ERIC and Ivanka...and the other one..

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2016, 06:53:07 pm »
Hewitt did everything he could to give Trump an out, short of sticking his hand up Trump's bum to move his mouth the right way.  And still Trump couldn't take the hint.


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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2016, 09:27:43 pm »
The problem with how Trump put it, is it detracts from the message  that Obama's Middle East policy has been a complete disaster which helped give birth to ISIS and the deaths of thousands innocent people.  But because of what he lets out of his pie hole, we and the media are not focused  on Obama and his policy at all, but on Trump.  Pence is going to have to come to the rescue again.
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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2016, 09:30:13 pm »
Some Trump supporters might bring this up ...

How Obama Caused ISIS: The administration has caused or exacerbated most of the current problems in the Mideast.

Ira Straus
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August 27, 2014

https://archive.is/ahOqp#selection-673.1-673.16
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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2016, 11:49:06 pm »
Some Trump supporters might bring this up ...

How Obama Caused ISIS: The administration has caused or exacerbated most of the current problems in the Mideast.

Wouldn't it be grand if Trump could do that for himself?

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Re: Trump Calls Obama 'Founder of ISIS' - US News and World Report
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2016, 02:15:50 am »
My reaction was the same when I heard it on the radio this morning. He could have expressed the rise of ISIS under Obama's watch in many different ways. Intelligent ways backed up by facts and data. Yet once again he gives the loud mouth at the end of the bar comment, and once again a free gift to the liberal media.

I have said this before.  Saddam is the founder of ISIS.  He began Sharia Law punishments in the 1990's.  Now it is the Baath party officers running ISIS.  So lets give credit where credit is due.  I agree that Obama has helped them by pulling our troops out.  Then leaving them all of our equipment.  Yes he has aided the enemy.

But Trump deserves to know that he has praised ISIS by praising the real founder Saddam Hussein.

The Rise of ISIS Predates the Fall of Saddam Hussein

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431380/


by David French February 15, 2016 6:20 PM @DavidAFrench

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The shift was accompanied by a domestic “Islamization,” with regime media dropping references to a “secular state” and describing the war against Iran as a “jihad.” The changes accelerated after 1989 when Michel Aflaq, the Christian founder of the Baath Party, died, and Mr. Hussein claimed that Mr. Aflaq had converted to Islam. Alive, Mr. Aflaq was a bulwark against Islamization; as a dead convert, he could — and did — baptize a new direction.

Allegedly “secular” Iraq implemented a version of Shariah law, and its military became increasingly radicalized. Saddam himself implemented a “Faith Campaign” that spiraled out of control:

But what began as a cynical attempt to shore up support, as the regime retreated to its Sunni tribal base, took on a life of its own, transforming Iraq into an Islamist state and imposing lasting changes on Iraqi society . . . The Faith Campaign claimed to be ecumenical, but its clear pro-Sunni tilt led to a final collapse of relations between the state and the Shiite population and heightened sectarian tensions. In the Sunni areas, however, the campaign was effective, creating a religious movement I call Baathi-Salafism, under Mr. Hussein’s leadership. It also eased strains between the regime and independent religious movements like the “pure” Salafists, whose long opposition to the regime gave way to some of its members serving in its administration, even though Mr. Hussein was warned by his intelligence chief that if the alliance continued, the Salafists would eventually supplant the regime.

Thus, al Qaeda in Iraq wasn’t so much a new movement as an expression of many Saddam loyalists’ actual religious convictions:

There was never any “Baathist coup” of former regime elements inside the Islamic State, as some analysts assume, because these men had long since abandoned Baathism. They joined Al Qaeda in Iraq early after the invasion as an act of ideological conviction, and when Al Qaeda in Iraq’s leadership was nearly destroyed in 2008-10, these officers were the last men standing precisely because of their superior counterintelligence and security skills.

 Orton concludes:

The Islamic State was not created by removing Saddam Hussein’s regime; it is the afterlife of that regime.

 Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431380/

Donald Trump Praises Brutal Dictator Saddam Hussein At North Carolina Rally

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/05/donald-trump-praises-brutal-dictator-saddam-hussein-north-carolina-rally.html


IRAQ
Iraq's Brutal Decrees
Amputation, Branding and the Death Penalty
https://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/IRAQ955.htm
Sharia Law in 1995 under Saddam Hussein.

Baathist Party is ISIS

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Re: Trump Calls Obama 'Founder of ISIS' - US News and World Report
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2016, 03:08:16 pm »
I have said this before.  Saddam is the founder of ISIS.  He began Sharia Law punishments in the 1990's.  Now it is the Baath party officers running ISIS.  So lets give credit where credit is due.  I agree that Obama has helped them by pulling our troops out.  Then leaving them all of our equipment.  Yes he has aided the enemy.

But Trump deserves to know that he has praised ISIS by praising the real founder Saddam Hussein.

The Rise of ISIS Predates the Fall of Saddam Hussein

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431380/


by David French February 15, 2016 6:20 PM @DavidAFrench

Excerpt

The shift was accompanied by a domestic “Islamization,” with regime media dropping references to a “secular state” and describing the war against Iran as a “jihad.” The changes accelerated after 1989 when Michel Aflaq, the Christian founder of the Baath Party, died, and Mr. Hussein claimed that Mr. Aflaq had converted to Islam. Alive, Mr. Aflaq was a bulwark against Islamization; as a dead convert, he could — and did — baptize a new direction.

Allegedly “secular” Iraq implemented a version of Shariah law, and its military became increasingly radicalized. Saddam himself implemented a “Faith Campaign” that spiraled out of control:

But what began as a cynical attempt to shore up support, as the regime retreated to its Sunni tribal base, took on a life of its own, transforming Iraq into an Islamist state and imposing lasting changes on Iraqi society . . . The Faith Campaign claimed to be ecumenical, but its clear pro-Sunni tilt led to a final collapse of relations between the state and the Shiite population and heightened sectarian tensions. In the Sunni areas, however, the campaign was effective, creating a religious movement I call Baathi-Salafism, under Mr. Hussein’s leadership. It also eased strains between the regime and independent religious movements like the “pure” Salafists, whose long opposition to the regime gave way to some of its members serving in its administration, even though Mr. Hussein was warned by his intelligence chief that if the alliance continued, the Salafists would eventually supplant the regime.

Thus, al Qaeda in Iraq wasn’t so much a new movement as an expression of many Saddam loyalists’ actual religious convictions:

There was never any “Baathist coup” of former regime elements inside the Islamic State, as some analysts assume, because these men had long since abandoned Baathism. They joined Al Qaeda in Iraq early after the invasion as an act of ideological conviction, and when Al Qaeda in Iraq’s leadership was nearly destroyed in 2008-10, these officers were the last men standing precisely because of their superior counterintelligence and security skills.

 Orton concludes:

The Islamic State was not created by removing Saddam Hussein’s regime; it is the afterlife of that regime.

 Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431380/

Donald Trump Praises Brutal Dictator Saddam Hussein At North Carolina Rally

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/05/donald-trump-praises-brutal-dictator-saddam-hussein-north-carolina-rally.html


IRAQ
Iraq's Brutal Decrees
Amputation, Branding and the Death Penalty
https://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/IRAQ955.htm
Sharia Law in 1995 under Saddam Hussein.

Baathist Party is ISIS
Interesting, thanks for sharing. Of course, Trumps really admires Sadam so he wouldn't mention that.
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