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[unknown]

You are misrepresenting mystery.  But I don't care.  She can speak for herself.  I didn't bow to Jim Robinson and I won't bow to anyone here.  Your argument is a "mommy says you have to do what I say..." kind of argument.  Hint:  There is no mommy here.  The rules are that we do not have to agree.  So enjoy your dreadful thug of a candidate.  When he loses, he and his supporters own it in the same way Romney owned his loss and McCain his.

You are kinda sideways misinterpreting a lot of us as it relates to Trump.

"So enjoy your dreadful thug of a candidate.  When he loses, he and his supporters own it in the same way Romney owned his loss and McCain his."

He wasn't my candidate. I voted for Cruz. I wanted Cruz. So when you say, "When he loses, he and his supporters own it .." I believe you are confusing two things:
1) people that have been all in for Trump for the beginning, and,
2) people that wanted someone else, but have come to the realization that this election is now down to two people - Hillary or Trump; and this group is supporting Trump.

I could agree with you, possibly, for the group #1 above. I do not agree with you for the group #2 above.

So when you say, "When he loses, he and his supporters own it in the same way Romney owned his loss and McCain his," I don't agree with this statement because there are many people in group #2.

Trump wasn't my candidate, Trump is now my candidate. Kinda sucks, he is a "dreadful thug of a candidate."

[musiclady]

You are misrepresenting mystery.  But I don't care.  She can speak for herself.  I didn't bow to Jim Robinson and I won't bow to anyone here.  Your argument is a "mommy says you have to do what I say..." kind of argument.  Hint:  There is no mommy here.  The rules are that we do not have to agree.  So enjoy your dreadful thug of a candidate.  When he loses, he and his supporters own it in the same way Romney owned his loss and McCain his.  It is not my duty to submit to political party power.  It is my duty to vote only for appropriate candidates of good moral character, proper background, knowledge, wisdom and temperament.  Anything less betrays my duty to God, country, and my fellow man.

BRAVA!!

Your parallel with "mommy says you have to do what I say" is PERFECT.  That is exactly what the argument was.

[ABX]

Totally off topic, but I was wondering, how many here who are saying that 'you have to vote for Trump, if you don't you are supporting Hillary' or something or another, would be saying that if Jeb! was the nominee?

I would bet many would be #NeverJebbers and talking about a third party.

[musiclady]

I agree with all your posts.  I stopped saying it so much because I would look silly saying it about every post.  LOL!  When you are on a roll I don't want to be a distraction.

We are very effective parallel warriors for truth. 

[unknown]

I know the question is not aimed at me, but I would easily vote for Jeb before Trump.  I would have been #NeverKasich just because of the social issues.  Same for a couple of others -- same reason.

I would have been #NeverKasich for the same reasons, plus I find him no different than democrats.
I would have been #NeverJeb I find him no different than democrats.
I was #NeverMcCain, I find him no different than democrats; CR rating of 34, "F". No better than the democrats.
I was #NeverRomney, I find him no different than democrats.

[Bigun]

@musiclady
 My ethics are intact and I do not lie.   

Except when you do! Which is ALL the time! but You ARE quite deluded!

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I would have been #NeverKasich for the same reasons, plus I find him no different than democrats.
I would have been #NeverJeb I find him no different than democrats.
I was #NeverMcCain, I find him no different than democrats; CR rating of 34, "F". No better than the democrats.
I was #NeverRomney, I find him no different than democrats.

And I'm #Never Trump, I find him to be a Democrat.

[LonestarDream]

Totally off topic, but I was wondering, how many here who are saying that 'you have to vote for Trump, if you don't you are supporting Hillary' or something or another, would be saying that if Jeb! was the nominee?

I would bet many would be #NeverJebbers and talking about a third party.

Would vote for Jeb! in heartbeat.  Even George P! Bush is supporting Trump.

[musiclady]

Except when you do! Which is ALL the time! but You ARE quite deluded!

Oh, thanks for responding to that and quoting it, Bigun! 

I have RiV on permanent IGNORE because her ethics are significantly challenged as evidenced by the entirely false charges she continues to make against those of us with values that don't change with the political winds.

[LonestarDream]

Lets not bash ML.   We need to hope that the Bernies fragment the left vote faster than our side does.

Am thinking of the folks that stayed home and allowed McCain and Romney to fail.

@musiclady


 

[Lando Lincoln]

@musiclady

......

This is a long way to get to my point:  My ethics are intact and I do not lie.   As Music Lady well knows.


 

RiV... you and I have never tangled but I have to tell you, that post is toxic and doesn't belong here.

[unknown]

And I'm #Never Trump, I find him to be a Democrat.

I understand your position.

What policies that Trump has stated during this election process that you find him to be a Democrat?

[skeeter]

@musiclady

My, my you are one nasty so-and-so.

[musiclady]

My, my you are one nasty so-and-so.

Yeah.......... my beloved husband of 40 years, my loving family, my dear friends and everyone I know agrees.

I'm pretty much a worthless human being.

And OLD too!   :dx1:



OH, sorry!......... I thought you were kidding about ME, @skeeter!   I'll leave this post up, though, because the words against me are worth being laughed at......... again.


If anyone wants to read them, they're still there in LonestarDream's quote.  I actually hope people here do see them. 

They're revealing, to say the least.

[Mod2]

Locked.

You were warned. Bottom of page 2.

Cut the insults.

[mystery-ak]

I just removed several posts here ...normally I would wait for a post report to act but I thought these posts were so bad I intervened.

[Bigun]

Oh, thanks for responding to that and quoting it, Bigun! 

I have RiV on permanent IGNORE because her ethics are significantly challenged as evidenced by the entirely false charges she continues to make against those of us with values that don't change with the political winds.

I quoted only a very small portion because I didn't want to pollute the place with it twice.

[musiclady]

I quoted only a very small portion because I didn't want to pollute the place with it twice.

Thanks, friend!  If I had seen it myself, I would have reported it, but I have definitely had my "IGNORE" choice confirmed. 

I'm staying away from making any comments about her for a while.

It's better that way.

[The_Reader_David]

Exactly.

It is a positive development for Hillary, who is losing badly, and will lose the election badly. She needs another Ross Perot to help her get elected.

You do realize that well-designed opinion polls are actually a measure of the likelihood of electoral success, and at present it is Trump who is losing badly -- not just down in national polls, but well behind where Romney was in many states.

[Victoria33]

I'll leave the consequences in God's hands.  IMO, we are suffering divine judgment no matter which corrupt loser wins.  The disaster will happen but not with my help.

Again, I agree with your post.  Divine judgement is upon us.

[unknown]

You do realize that well-designed opinion polls are actually a measure of the likelihood of electoral success, and at present it is Trump who is losing badly -- not just down in national polls, but well behind where Romney was in many states.

Agreed.



I question whether they are well-designed opinion polls.

There are many instances of polls being just flat out wrong, possibly the Reagan election.

Or, worse, there are many instances where the polls are used to influence the election, possibly the Reagan election.

Or, worse, there are many instances where fake polls are developed to influence the election and treat candidates horribly. 


"Here is an absolute fake CNN poll that Anderson Cooper tried to ambush Trump with.

Trump told Anderson Cooper that this is why the people don't trust the media like CNN and they don't trust Anderson Cooper.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZhXMdkDFog



So I am very cynical of any poll, as are many, many other people.

[andy58-in-nh]

Thanks, friend!  If I had seen it myself, I would have reported it, but I have definitely had my "IGNORE" choice confirmed. 

I'm staying away from making any comments about her for a while.

It's better that way.

Demonization of skeptics and stigmatization of dissent have been staples of Progressive politics for a century now. To see such poisonous tactics wholly embraced by Trumpist Republicans ought to be disheartening, and even depressing to all who still aspire to the values Americans once largely shared, in spite of their differences.

Free people, those possessed of open minds and a thirst for knowledge may yet have and ought to have strong opinions. But they ought never engage in ad hominem attacks in lieu of rational argument. Let us leave such modes of false argumentation, including straw men, inversion of cause and effect, and false dichotomies to those who have no other intellectual recourse in support of their propositions but to insult, degrade and dishonestly accuse.

[Victoria33]

Yet, the debate would be between Trump, Clinton, and possibly, Johnson.
Still, here is a Cruz mention.
I remember Cruz!  Isn't he the one who dropped out in May, and has not criticized Trump one time since?
He said something about voting your conscience at the convention, as I recall.
Yeah, that's the guy. If Trump people will not get past Cruz now, they will never get past Clinton in November.  It won't happen.  Count on it.

@GrouchoTex
Ignore RIV's trash talk; that is all she can do.

[sinkspur]

Again, I agree with your post.  Divine judgement is upon us.

Why?  What did we do? 

[sinkspur]

Agreed.



I question whether they are well-designed opinion polls.

There are many instances of polls being just flat out wrong, possibly the Reagan election.

Or, worse, there are many instances where the polls are used to influence the election, possibly the Reagan election.

Or, worse, there are many instances where fake polls are developed to influence the election and treat candidates horribly. 


"Here is an absolute fake CNN poll that Anderson Cooper tried to ambush Trump with.

Trump told Anderson Cooper that this is why the people don't trust the media like CNN and they don't trust Anderson Cooper.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZhXMdkDFog



So I am very cynical of any poll, as are many, many other people.

Polls in 2012 were dead-on accurate, as were most polls during the primaries.  I can understand the Trump supporters not liking what the polls are saying now, but the likelihood is that, even if the numbers are off, Trump is getting beaten and will get beaten very badly in November.