Donald Trump savages Japan, saying all they will do is 'watch Sony TVs' if US is attacked and threatening to 'walk' away from treaty

[skeeter]

LOL!  That's a blast from the past.  I bought the first season of that and it was soooo stupid that I resold it on eBay.  Or I tried to.  I don't remember if it actually sold.

Never liked WBK. Hawaii 5-0's the only series from that period that holds up. The first 5 seasons, anyway.

[LadyLiberty]

Trump brags about having the highest IQ, which begs the question...
In his foursome?
In his carpool?
In his family?
In his own mind?

In his own mind.  He always saying "people tell me X."  I think he is being told those things, but it's coming from the voices inside his head.

Donald Trump, the gift that keeps on giving ..... to Hillary Clinton.

[Fantom]

Good Lord, Japan, UK, Israel and the US are the top line countries together.

trump is a moron.

The only reason that Japan does not take a more proactive stance is a dated..well outdated treaty. A WW ll treaty that needs to be scrapped.

The Japanese government has been trying to skirt that treaty. They know the US under the obama/Hillary types is not trustworthy.... now it would sem you can include the trump types as well. 

[Gov Bean Counter]

In his own mind.  He always saying "people tell me X."  I think he is being told those things, but it's coming from the voices inside his head.

Donald Trump, the gift that keeps on giving ..... to Hillary Clinton.

By George, you've got it...

[geronl]

The only reason that Japan does not take a more proactive stance is a dated..well outdated treaty. A WW ll treaty that needs to be scrapped.

Not a treaty, it's their Constitution that was basically written by Americans

[Fantom]

Not a treaty, it's their Constitution that was basically written by Americans

Correct, and it is dated to another time.

That it was imposed by us..and rightly so. Lends me to view it as a treaty moreso than a "Constitution" which I view as a self derived document of freedom and principals.

At any rate, Japan has been edging to greater "sovereignty" under/outside that in these latter years. I have no doubt would those constraints be removed they would see to defending themselves. Rendering trumps ill thought comments as inane as they are.

[Rivergirl]

But but but DT wanted Japan to have it's own nukes.
The madman speaks with forked tongue, yes??

[Oceander]

Correct, and it is dated to another time.

That it was imposed by us..and rightly so. Lends me to view it as a treaty moreso than a "Constitution" which I view as a self derived document of freedom and principals.

At any rate, Japan has been edging to greater "sovereignty" under/outside that in these latter years. I have no doubt would those constraints be removed they would see to defending themselves. Rendering trumps ill thought comments as inane as they are.

Why would the fact of imposition make it more like a treaty?  Treaties aren't imposed any more than constitutions.  And considering that Japan unconditionally surrendered, it was perfectly apt for the U.S. to determine the contents of the constitution for the new country that it was about to essentially create.

[Fantom]

Why would the fact of imposition make it more like a treaty?  Treaties aren't imposed any more than constitutions.  And considering that Japan unconditionally surrendered, it was perfectly apt for the U.S. to determine the contents of the constitution for the new country that it was about to essentially create.

Last first as is my Wont.  I do believe we are in agreement that the USA had every right to impose it's will on an enemy totally defeated. I said as much in my post you quoted.

Treaties are often imposed by the victor in a war. Call it a "Constitution" if you will. But it really is the victor dictating terms.

I prefer to regard a Constitution, as I regard our Constitution... an expression of a free people.

[Oceander]

Last first as is my Wont.  I do believe we are in agreement that the USA had every right to impose it's will on an enemy totally defeated. I said as much in my post you quoted.

Treaties are often imposed by the victor in a war. Call it a "Constitution" if you will. But it really is the victor dictating terms.

I prefer to regard a Constitution, as I regard our Constitution... an expression of a free people.

The Japanese ultimately adopted it.  The way America dealt with the vanquished was almost unheard of in the annals of history (and is probably why Japan and Germany have become such successes).  It is as voluntary as most constitutions are.

Viz. treaties, if it's really imposed by the victor then it's not a treaty, so the element of imposition does not differentiate the Japanese constitution from a treaty.

[Cripplecreek]

The Japanese ultimately adopted it.  The way America dealt with the vanquished was almost unheard of in the annals of history (and is probably why Japan and Germany have become such successes).  It is as voluntary as most constitutions are.

Viz. treaties, if it's really imposed by the victor then it's not a treaty, so the element of imposition does not differentiate the Japanese constitution from a treaty.

Doesn't really matter at this point. They can change their constitution as they wish. Trump is still a moron for threatening to abandon our allies.

Obama started separating us from our allies and it sounds like Trump intends to finish the job.

[Fantom]

The Japanese ultimately adopted it.  The way America dealt with the vanquished was almost unheard of in the annals of history (and is probably why Japan and Germany have become such successes).  It is as voluntary as most constitutions are.

Viz. treaties, if it's really imposed by the victor then it's not a treaty, so the element of imposition does not differentiate the Japanese constitution from a treaty.

Yes, we treated them well. And it worked out well for history.

But if you think treaties are not often/most imposed by force..including victories. Well ok, you are welcome to that belief. Sometimes treaties are negotiated for common good. I'd wager that almost all, however, are dictated from a position of strength thru out history.

I'll maintain that a Constitution agreed to by someone you just nuked(and it was justified) and parked your battleships in their harbors. Really is not as valid as one freely entered into as was ours. Just my thoughts on the matter.

And you are welcome to the last word as well on this.

[Fantom]

Doesn't really matter at this point. They can change their constitution as they wish. Trump is still a moron for threatening to abandon our allies.

Obama started separating us from our allies and it sounds like Trump intends to finish the job.

And that is the truth of it.

[Chosen Daughter]

The man is doing a remarkable impression of Kim Jong-un.  Next think you know Trump will want to shoot off a nuke.

He has already been talking about that. 

[geronl]

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