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Trump Boosts Anti-Fracking Measure, Upends Swing State Energy Fight

The GOP nominee lent support an anti-fracking measure in Colorado. Because 2016.



By Mary Katharine Ham

AUGUST 5, 2016

While Donald Trump is busy wreaking national political havoc this week, overlooked was an example of his uncanny ability to unsettle down-ballot races and campaign issues as he stumps through swing states on his Stream of Consciousness Tour.

In Colorado this week, the Republican nominee for president backed the language of an anti-fracking ballot measure under consideration, catching activists on both sides of the energy fight by surprise.


When reporter Brandon Rittiman asked Trump about the measures during his recent swing through Colorado Springs, Trump’s characteristically off-the-cuff answer put him on the side of environmental activists funded by prominent liberals Jared Polis and billionaire Tom Steyer who want to change the state constitution to allow municipalities to ban oil and gas exploration.

“Well, I’m in favor of fracking, but I think that voters should have a big say in it,” Trump told Rittiman. “I mean, there’s some areas, maybe, they don’t want to have fracking. And I think if the voters are voting for it, that’s up to them… If a municipality or a state wants to ban fracking, I can understand that.”


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Trump’s position represents an upending of the traditional alliances in the energy-rich state, where Republicans and many Democrats, including Sen. Michael Bennett and Gov. John Hickenlooper, oppose measures to limit fracking. They counter the arguments of environmental activists with arguments for property rights and economic development. Nationwide, even when employing the language of local control, such measures are almost exclusively funded and championed by the Left as an attempt to ban fracking piecemeal when they can’t ban it outright, which is why the policy battle between local bans and blanket bans animated the Democratic primary fight.


In her trip to Colorado this week, Hillary Clinton affirmed her position is the same as Trump’s.

“Well, I have long been in favor of states and cities within states making up their own minds whether or not they want to permit fracking,” she said.

There are two fracking measures under consideration for the ballot in 2016. One measure would amend the constitution to allow cities in the state to ban oil and gas development entirely. The state Supreme Court has ruled against such bans in the past. Another measure would ban new development within “2,500 feet of an occupied structure.” A study of this measure’s impact by state government determined “90% of surface acreage in Colorado would be unavailable for future oil and gas development or hydraulic fracturing under” it.

Trump’s statement aligns him with environmental activists noted Josh Penry, a GOP strategist working with industry opposition to anti-fracking efforts, adding his answer is indicative of a larger problem with the candidate: “Trump really needs to bone up on the issues. Crimea isn’t a punchline in a Justin Timberlake song, and local bans on energy development are politically and legally taboo even in a swing state like Colorado. Wanna be president? Sweet. Do your homework.”


Supporters of the anti-fracking measures quickly made hay of Trump’s position, no doubt appreciating the last-minute boost as they gather signatures to qualify for the ballot.

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Clinton backer Hickenlooper jabbed, “I don’t think he understands, completely, the issue, but that’s not unusual for him.”

Trump has spoken in favor of fracking and oil development in the past, but as with other issues, confuses his backers and opponents alike with the details. The similarity of Trump’s and Hillary’s positions has the energy industry unsure of their traditional alignment with the GOP.


An oil industry executive spoke to The Hill anonymously, echoing the mixture of increasing fear and diminishing hope many national Republicans are experiencing:

‘He said states and municipalities,” the executive noted. “That’s a big leap, and I’m sure he doesn’t appreciate the big leap he just took.’

‘The hope from the industry perspective is that if [Trump] gets elected, he would surround himself with detailed-oriented folks, and we’d be able to at least work with them,’ the refining official added.

Proponents of the anti-fracking measures argue hydraulic fracturing can be harmful to environmental health, quality of life, and property values. Opponents say the measures invite lawsuits, violate property rights, raise energy prices, and harm Colorado’s economy.
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Re: Trump Boosts Anti-Fracking Measure, Upends Swing State Energy Fight
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 01:55:26 pm »
More evidence of Trump's colossal 'effing ignorance.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 02:00:57 pm »
More evidence of Trump's colossal 'effing ignorance.

Noooo! He has that 12 dimensional chess thing going on, don'tchaknow...
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 02:02:43 pm »
More evidence of Trump's colossal 'effing ignorance.

More evidence of Trump's colossal liberalness.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 02:02:59 pm »
It is hard to escape the conclusion that he is a knowing democrat plant to destroy the Republican Party for generations to come.  Either that, or he  doesn't have a functioning  cerebrum.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 02:04:39 pm »
It is hard to escape the conclusion that he is a knowing democrat plant to destroy the Republican Party for generations to come.  Either that, or he  doesn't have a functioning  cerebrum.

The former.... Although the latter has some merit.

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 02:06:17 pm »
I am convinced that this is the policy generating method being employed by the Trump campaign.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 02:07:49 pm »
Where's RIV to tell me that this is awesome policy formulation by a genius?

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 02:19:20 pm »
I suspect that we're all fine with the states making their own decisions on this but that's precisely why he should say nothing about it.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 02:25:44 pm »
I suspect that we're all fine with the states making their own decisions on this but that's precisely why should say nothing about it.

Southern and central energy states are one of his last strong holds of support.  He's trying now to lose those states too.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 02:35:39 pm »
Probably over at TOS getting his daily directions from JimRob.

Fracking ban????   Trump is sounding more and more like Obama every day.  Trumpets were warned that there may be a hard left after nomination.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2016, 02:36:00 pm »
   Apparently, Regardless of the outcome of this Election, TEXAS remains on Washington's crap list.

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 02:41:02 pm »
It is hard to escape the conclusion that he is a knowing democrat plant to destroy the Republican Party for generations to come.  Either that, or he  doesn't have a functioning  cerebrum.

Ben Carson took it out.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2016, 02:42:32 pm »
Probably over at TOS getting his daily directions from JimRob.

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Re: Trump Boosts Anti-Fracking Measure, Upends Swing State Energy Fight
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2016, 02:49:03 pm »
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“Well, I’m in favor of fracking, but I think that voters should have a big say in it,” Trump told Rittiman. “I mean, there’s some areas, maybe, they don’t want to have fracking. And I think if the voters are voting for it, that’s up to them… If a municipality or a state wants to ban fracking, I can understand that.”
Actually, for once, I agree with him for the most part—although I would advise against whole states doing so, because the bigger the municipality, the more diverse your constituency is, and that means you're going to be running roughshod over a lot more people at that level.

Local governments should have say over what goes on in their territory. In most cases, they don't need some state or federal leviathan telling them what they must do or can't do with it.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2016, 02:50:46 pm »
More evidence of Trump's colossal liberalness.

Yep.  I eschewed the conspiracy theory that Trump was a plant to destroy conservatism in the USA.  I still think he rose simply as a con man who was telling idiots what they wanted to hear.

But I could certainly be persuaded.

What a f----g moron.  I despise him and his supporters for giving us Hillary.  It very well may be the death-knell of our country.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2016, 03:01:54 pm »
Yep.  I eschewed the conspiracy theory that Trump was a plant to destroy conservatism in the USA.  I still think he rose simply as a con man who was telling idiots what they wanted to hear.

But I could certainly be persuaded.

What a f----g moron.  I despise him and his supporters for giving us Hillary.  It very well may be the death-knell of our country.

Trump uses an old school sales technique of never quite finishing a sentence before moving on to the next. It gives the listener a chance to decide for themselves how the sentence should end. An employer sent us to a seminar some years ago and he laid it out but said it generally wasn't effective with truly interested buyers. He said it was most effective with the rubes who wanted miracle products and weren't real skeptical to begin with.

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2016, 03:06:27 pm »
I am convinced that this is the policy generating method being employed by the Trump campaign.



I have a slight difference of opinion with yours, catfish:

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 03:08:14 pm »
   Apparently, Regardless of the outcome of this Election, TEXAS remains on Washington's crap list.

   We'll survive, as we always have.

Texas will be the last bastion of freedom in the US. For now, the battle is with the big cities against the suburbs and rural areas.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 03:08:48 pm »
Trump uses an old school sales technique of never quite finishing a sentence before moving on to the next. It gives the listener a chance to decide for themselves how the sentence should end. An employer sent us to a seminar some years ago and he laid it out but said it generally wasn't effective with truly interested buyers. He said it was most effective with the rubes who wanted miracle products and weren't real skeptical to begin with.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2016, 03:09:58 pm »
Perfect description of a Trump monkey.

Or a gathering of TOS Mods.......
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2016, 04:23:24 pm »
Or a gathering of TOS Mods.......

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2016, 05:05:28 pm »
You rang?



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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2016, 05:35:02 pm »
Actually, for once, I agree with him for the most part—although I would advise against whole states doing so, because the bigger the municipality, the more diverse your constituency is, and that means you're going to be running roughshod over a lot more people at that level.

Local governments should have say over what goes on in their territory. In most cases, they don't need some state or federal leviathan telling them what they must do or can't do with it.

Cities and counties are agencies of the states, the state is the basic unit of government in this country

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2016, 08:05:56 pm »
Trump has brains, yuuuge brains.

He knows how well that will play out in Pennsylvania.

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(which is saying that it will hurt him badly there, if you couldn't see the sarcasm)