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The Week They Decided He Was Crazy
« on: August 05, 2016, 12:17:44 pm »
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The Week They Decided He Was Crazy

Trump inflicts one wound after another on his campaign.

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By Peggy Noonan
Aug. 4, 2016 7:40 p.m. ET

I think this week marked a certain coming to terms with where the election is going. Politics is about trends and tendencies. The trends for Donald Trump are not good, and he tends not to change.

All the damage done to him this week was self-inflicted. The arrows he’s taken are arrows he shot. We have in seven days witnessed his undignified and ungrateful reaction to a Gold Star family; the odd moment with the crying baby; the one-on-one interviews, which are starting to look like something he does in the grip of a compulsion, in which Mr. Trump expresses himself thoughtlessly, carelessly, on such issues as Russia, Ukraine and sexual harassment; the relitigating of his vulgar Megyn Kelly comments from a year ago; and, as his fortunes fell, his statement that he “would not be surprised” if the November election were “rigged.” Subject to an unprecedented assault by a sitting president who called him intellectually and characterologically unfit for the presidency, Mr Trump fired back—at Paul Ryan and  John McCain.

The mad scatterbrained-ness of it was captured in a Washington Post interview with Philip Rucker in which five times by my count—again, the compulsion—Mr. Trump departed the meat of the interview to turn his head and stare at the television. On seeing himself on the screen: “Lot of energy. We got a lot of energy.” Minutes later: “Look at this. It’s all Trump all day long. That’s why their ratings are through the roof.” He’s all about screens, like a toddler hooked on iPad.

Mr. Trump spent all his time doing these things instead of doing his job: making the case for his policies, expanding on his stands, and taking the battle to  Hillary Clinton.

By the middle of the week the Republican National Committee was reported to be frustrated, party leaders alarmed, donors enraged. There was talk of an “intervention.”
 
Here is a truth of life. When you act as if you’re insane, people are liable to think you’re insane. That’s what happened this week. People started to become convinced he was nuts, a total flake.

It was there in the polls. Fox News shows Mrs. Clinton with a 10-point lead, with Mr. Trump at 78% of the Republican vote, compared with  Mitt Romney’s 93% in 2012. Mr. Romney won the white vote by 20 points; Mr. Trump is ahead by 10. “High-end Republicans are walking away,” says a GOP oppo guy. “Who is choking now?” The battleground states, too, have turned bad.

This is what became obvious, probably fatally so: Mr. Trump is not going to get serious about running for president. He does not have a second act, there are no hidden depths, there will be no “pivot.” It is not that he is willful or stubborn, though he may be, it’s that he doesn’t have the skill set needed now—discretion, carefulness, generosity, judgment. There’s a clueless quality about him. It’s not that he doesn’t get advice; it’s that he can’t hear advice, can’t process it or turn it into action.

“He’ll reach out, he’ll start to listen. He’ll change, soften.” No, he won’t. Nor will he start to understand that his blunders are a form of shown disrespect for his own supporters. They put themselves on the line for him, many at some cost. What he’s giving them in return is a strange, bush-league, pull-it-out-of-your-ear, always-indulge-your-emotions campaign. They deserve better.

And while Mr. Trump was doing this, Mrs. Clinton was again lying about her emails, reminding us there’s crazy there, too. She insisted to Chris Wallace that FBI director James Comey endorsed her sincerity and veracity. No he didn’t, and everyone knows he didn’t. She’d have spent the past week defending her claims if it weren’t for Mr. Trump’s tireless attempts to kill Mr. Trump.

His supporters hope it will all turn around in the debates: He’ll wipe the floor with her; for the first time she’ll be toe-to-toe with someone who speaks truth to power. But why do they assume this? Are they watching Mrs. Clinton? She doesn’t look very afraid of him. “No, Donald, you don’t,” she purred in her acceptance speech. In debate she’ll calmly try to swat him away, cock her head, look at the moderator, smile. She’ll be watching old videos of Reagan-Carter in 1980: “There you go again.”

She is aware no one believes she’s honest and trustworthy. If there’s one thing Mrs. Clinton knows it’s how to read a poll. She has accepted that people understand her. Her debate approach will be this: In spite of what will no doubt be some uncomfortable moments, she will, in comparison with him, seem sturdy and grounded—normal. That, this week, could be her bumper sticker: “Hillary: Way Less Abnormal.”

It must be said that all this is so strange on so many levels.

Donald Trump is said to be in love with the idea of success, dividing the world between winners and losers. But he just won big and couldn’t take yes for an answer.

He got it all, was the unique outsider who shocked the entire political class with his rise. He should be the happiest man in the world, not besieged and full of complaint. All he had to do was calm down, build bridges, reach out, reassure, be gracious. In fairness, could not unite the party. That isn’t possible now—it is a divided party, which is why it had 17 candidates. Mr. Trump won with just less than half the vote, an achievement in a field that big, but also while representing policies that the formal leadership of the party in Washington finds anathema. He was the candidate who would control illegal immigration, who wouldn’t cut entitlements, who opposes an interventionist foreign policy, who thinks our major trade deals have not benefited Americans on the ground. And he won, big time.

From what I’ve seen there has been zero reflection on the part of Republican leaders on how much the base’s views differ from theirs and what to do about it. The GOP is not at all refiguring its stands. The only signs of life I see are among young staffers on Capitol Hill, who understand their bosses’ stands have been rebuked and are quietly debating among themselves what policy paths will win the future.

Beyond that, anti-Trump Republicans treat his voters like immoral enablers of a malignant boob. Should Mr. Trump lose decisively in November they’ll lord it over everyone, say “I told you so,” and accept what they imagine will be forelock-tugging apologies. Then they will get to work burying not only Mr. Trump but his issues.

That’s where the future of the GOP will be fought, and found: on whether Trumpism can be defeated along with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Trump would care about that if he cared about that.

I end with a new word, at least new to me. A friend called it to my attention. It speaks of the moment we’re in. It is “kakistocracy,” from the Greek. It means government by the worst persons, by the least qualified or most unprincipled. We’re on our way there, aren’t we? We’re going to have to make our way through it together.

Peggy hits it dead-on.  Trump is in wayyyyy over his orange head.  There will be no pivot to a more serious, thoughtful candidacy, because Trump is not emotionally or intellectually capable of such an adjustment.  What we're seeing now from him is all he will ever muster, and the debates will be an epic disaster, especially when Hillary starts to pick at him for details, of which has no command.  Sadly, it's all being discovered far too late in this once-winnable election.
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Re: The Week They Decided He Was Crazy
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 12:24:54 pm »
"This is what became obvious, probably fatally so: Mr. Trump is not going to get serious about running for president. He does not have a second act, there are no hidden depths, there will be no “pivot.” It is not that he is willful or stubborn, though he may be, it’s that he doesn’t have the skill set needed now—discretion, carefulness, generosity, judgment. There’s a clueless quality about him. It’s not that he doesn’t get advice; it’s that he can’t hear advice, can’t process it or turn it into action."


A clueless quality about Trump?  It's amazing how long it took people to figure this one out!  Can everyone say welcome to your throne "Queen Hillary"?
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 12:33:47 pm »
Clinton is evil.  trump is evil AND nuts.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 12:47:52 pm »
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It was there in the polls. Fox News shows Mrs. Clinton with a 10-point lead, with Mr. Trump at 78% of the Republican vote, compared with  Mitt Romney’s 93% in 2012.

Trump's loss is going to be epic is he continues to slam conservatives.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 12:51:24 pm »
Peggy hits it dead-on.  Trump is in wayyyyy over his orange head.  There will be no pivot to a more serious, thoughtful candidacy, because Trump is not emotionally or intellectually capable of such an adjustment.  What we're seeing now from him is all he will ever muster, and the debates will be an epic disaster, especially when Hillary starts to pick at him for details, of which has no command.  Sadly, it's all being discovered far too late in this once-winnable election.

Ah yes.  A scatterbrained kakistocracy.  That is exactly where we're headed with Donald, The Trump.

Excellent article, btw.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 12:52:00 pm »
"This is what became obvious, probably fatally so: Mr. Trump is not going to get serious about running for president. He does not have a second act, there are no hidden depths, there will be no “pivot.” It is not that he is willful or stubborn, though he may be, it’s that he doesn’t have the skill set needed now—discretion, carefulness, generosity, judgment. There’s a clueless quality about him. It’s not that he doesn’t get advice; it’s that he can’t hear advice, can’t process it or turn it into action."


A clueless quality about Trump?  It's amazing how long it took people to figure this one out!  Can everyone say welcome to your throne "Queen Hillary"?

The Trump Monkeys will never figure it out. They will continue to dance at the end of a collar to the grinders music .
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 12:59:08 pm »
Ah yes.  A scatterbrained kakistocracy.  That is exactly where we're headed with Donald, The Trump.

Excellent article, btw.
Peggy Noonan was a big Trump enabler. I thought she'd lost her mind, but I guess maybe she's found it again - or at least part of it.

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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 12:59:08 pm »
The Trump Monkeys will never figure it out. They will continue to dance at the end of a collar to the grinders music .

And when the grinder grinds to a halt, they'll blame the onlookers.

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 01:02:25 pm »
The timing of Trump's political suicide is indicative of a plan.

...just sayin'

Now - it's too late to re-arrange the furniture.  We're stuck with a two-legged stool ("Believe me.")
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 01:05:04 pm »
This is a dead-on article.  Trump IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.  Whenever he has a normal day, Ben Carson says "Look, he's coming around" (Ben Carson has led me to believe  that neurosurgery is not that hard). 

But he's not coming around.  He's in a depressive phase.  The manic always comes back soon enough when he perceives a slight.

Did you hear him read his complaints against Hillary yesterday?  It was perfunctory; no emotion, no enthusiasm.  Just blandness.

His emotion peaks when he's defending himself, when he's glorifying himself, when he's talking about himself. An advisor said yesterday that, when Trump's not tweeting or on the phone, he's watching television. 

So, you Trumpsters hooked yourself to a loser.  We told you that A YEAR AGO.  If anything, Trump has gotten worse with his Trumproid behavior.  Trump will always be what we see today.

And American voters have decided they don't want that near a nuclear button.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 01:11:04 pm »
The timing of Trump's political suicide is indicative of a plan.

...just sayin'

Now - it's too late to re-arrange the furniture.  We're stuck with a two-legged stool ("Believe me.")

I normally avoid conspiracy theories, but I have to ask myself what it is that Trump would be doing differently if his goal were to elect Hillary.


I can't think of a single thing.

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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2016, 01:15:33 pm »
And when the grinder grinds to a halt, they'll blame the onlookers.

You know them well.  :silly:
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2016, 01:17:44 pm »
This is a dead-on article.  Trump IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.  Whenever he has a normal day, Ben Carson says "Look, he's coming around" (Ben Carson has led me to believe  that neurosurgery is not that hard). 

But he's not coming around.  He's in a depressive phase.  The manic always comes back soon enough when he perceives a slight.

Did you hear him read his complaints against Hillary yesterday?  It was perfunctory; no emotion, no enthusiasm.  Just blandness.

His emotion peaks when he's defending himself, when he's glorifying himself, when he's talking about himself. An advisor said yesterday that, when Trump's not tweeting or on the phone, he's watching television. 

So, you Trumpsters hooked yourself to a loser.  We told you that A YEAR AGO.  If anything, Trump has gotten worse with his Trumproid behavior.  Trump will always be what we see today.

And American voters have decided they don't want that near a nuclear button.

Well said.    :beer:

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And when the grinder grinds to a halt, they'll blame the onlookers.

Oh yes, it's coming... Count on it!

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Trump could campaign like he wants to win, but he is campaigning like he wants Hillary to win. He would rather revisit old comments about Megyn Kelly and Ted Cruz’s dad than focus on Hillary Clinton.

Trump is doing that. We all told you it would happen. So now you are left to concoct, in August, conspiracy theories about how the election was stolen or blame the GOP Establishment — the very establishment who locked arms around Trump and refused to let Republican delegates vote their conscience.

Don’t blame us. Blame yourselves. You championed the braying jackass, even attacking good conservatives in the race, and the only thing happening now is exactly what the rest of us have said all along would happen.

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It is “kakistocracy,” from the Greek. It means government by the worst persons, by the least qualified or most unprincipled. We’re on our way there, aren’t we?
We've been there for quite a while.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2016, 01:50:53 pm »
I normally avoid conspiracy theories, but I have to ask myself what it is that Trump would be doing differently if his goal were to elect Hillary.


I can't think of a single thing.
We are in FULL agreement.  I tried to be careful NOT to say there is a conspiracy. 

Your remark, what would he "be doing differently" is exactly the right question.

I constantly ask that question about the way that Zero deals with terrorist organizations" "What would he being doing differently, IF he wanted to support our enemies?"

If someone forced me to state a theory, I'd simply say Tyrump (intended) is a narcissist and can't help himself.

The good thing is that he's getting resistance - maybe for the first time in his illustrious career - from people he can't intimidate so easily.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2016, 01:59:49 pm »
Things are so desperate, the Trump staff is now employing cannibals:


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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 02:06:16 pm »
Things are so desperate, the Trump staff is now employing cannibals:


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Real sentence from a press release in my inbox: "Donald Trump lives, works, eats and employs people of all races and religions."

What A MASSIVE Freudian slip.... because he certainly does eat and devour people of all stripes. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 02:09:38 pm »
The timing of Trump's political suicide is indicative of a plan.

...just sayin'

Now - it's too late to re-arrange the furniture.  We're stuck with a two-legged stool ("Believe me.")

At Free Republic on Day 1 of the Trump candidacy a year ago, I screamed that Trump was a Trojan Horse.

The depth and breadth of the duping is confounding at least.
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2016, 02:22:38 pm »
Ah yes.  A scatterbrained kakistocracy.  That is exactly where we're headed with Donald, The Trump.

And with Clinton. 

And just think: right now we're just worried about which kakistocrat will be winning the election; just consider the next four years!  Neither candidate is capable of dealing with the ugly crises that are building up now in pretty much every area in which the president is supposed to take an interest.

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2016, 02:29:36 pm »
I normally avoid conspiracy theories, but I have to ask myself what it is that Trump would be doing differently if his goal were to elect Hillary.


I can't think of a single thing.



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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2016, 02:30:41 pm »
At Free Republic on Day 1 of the Trump candidacy a year ago, I screamed that Trump was a Trojan Horse.


He's a Trojan alright, and "horse" also fits the bill.
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2016, 02:36:42 pm »
And American voters have decided they don't want that near a nuclear button.

You can't have a nutcase in control of nuclear weapons. Take a look at North Korea: Kim puts on a nice show of being a whack-job, but that's only play-acting; his nukes are useless unless he convinces his adversaries that he nutty enough to use them. In reality, you can see that his primary focus of concern is his own power and its enjoyment, and he's not going to do anything to put that in jeopardy. Similarly the Clintons, who have no problem with triangulation when they can clearly see that their policies aren't going over well with the mainstream. Hillary isn't going to do anything that would risk nuclear confrontation, because if it happens, there goes everything she's worked to achieve.

I'm not so sure about Herr Drumpf.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2016, 02:41:51 pm »
You can't have a nutcase in control of nuclear weapons. Take a look at North Korea: Kim puts on a nice show of being a whack-job, but that's only play-acting; his nukes are useless unless he convinces his adversaries that he nutty enough to use them. In reality, you can see that his primary focus of concern is his own power and its enjoyment, and he's not going to do anything to put that in jeopardy. Similarly the Clintons, who have no problem with triangulation when they can clearly see that their policies aren't going over well with the mainstream. Hillary isn't going to do anything that would risk nuclear confrontation, because if it happens, there goes everything she's worked to achieve.

I'm not so sure about Herr Drumpf.

And furthermore, the president has a substantial number of advisors available to help him temper his responses.  But as demonstrated this week, Trump has little ability to listen to and/or take advice from anyone.

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