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Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« on: August 05, 2016, 01:38:33 pm »
Hanging Tough

Why we've made only minor changes to our Electoral College ratings since March

Larry J. Sabato, Director, UVA Center for Politics - August 4th, 2016

On March 31, we released our first general election map of the Electoral College. With our self-imposed rule of permitting no cop-out “toss-ups” — a rule we’ll try to hold to as we handicap this year’s Electoral College map — our bottom-line totals were 347 electoral votes for Hillary Clinton and 191 for Donald Trump. We’ve made modest changes since: Pennsylvania has morphed from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic, while Virginia — after Tim Kaine was added to the Democratic ticket — went the other way from Leans Democratic to Likely Democratic. Arizona and Georgia went from Likely Republican to Leans Republican, and usually reliable Utah from Safe Republican to Likely Republican.

But the total has remained 347 D to 191 R.

Today we add one further alteration: We are moving Colorado from Leans Democratic to Likely Democratic. This also does not affect the Electoral College total, though it does push a competitive state further toward Clinton. Public and private polling, plus our own survey of key Democrats, Republicans, and independent journalists suggests that the GOP is not very competitive in Colorado this year. That includes the Senate race too, which we are moving from Likely Democratic to Safe Democratic. Sen. Michael Bennet (D), a very close winner in 2010, should be able to run ahead of Clinton against an underfunded Republican opponent, El Paso County Commissioner Darryl Glenn, who national Republicans appear to have written off.




Are there complications? Naturally. While we suspect support for the Libertarians and Greens will diminish as Election Day approaches, we cannot know this for certain. It is at least possible that the Clinton-Trump balance will be upset by Gary Johnson and/or Jill Stein. We’ll keep watching, especially in the unlikely circumstance that Johnson makes it into the fall debates (he’ll need to be averaging 15% in several national polls to be included, and right now he’s generally in the high single digits).

Whether Johnson is present or not, the debates always offer an opportunity for one candidate to shine or another to make a costly gaffe, though here’s where intense partisanship matters again. Voters can easily declare one candidate the debate winner but cling to their preference for the other contender. There is also enough time from the end of the last debate (Oct. 19) to the election (Nov. 8) for lingering debate effects to vanish.

We certainly aren’t denying that certain events could upend all predictions. A surprise recession (few if any predicted the September 2008 economic collapse, even a couple of months’ out) or terrible instances of domestic terrorism in the fall might cause just enough voters to throw up their hands and say, “Enough. We need a change even if we don’t much like the change!”

It’s essential to note that the love-hate feelings for Trump and Clinton are eye-popping, and this unusual factor may distort expectations. Trump in particular is such an outlier or aberration that many standard election models by political scientists may not be able to project the election results as well as they usually do.

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http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/hanging-tough/

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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2016, 01:48:50 pm »

The only thing that is going to be more epic than Trump's loss is the vitriol aimed at conservatives who wouldn't vote for a liberal.


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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2016, 02:10:54 pm »
So basically he'll do about the same as Romney and McCain.

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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2016, 02:13:24 pm »
This is August 5th.  At the present Trumpian trend, we are talking McGovern territory by November.
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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2016, 02:17:04 pm »

But the total has remained 347 D to 191 R.


http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/hanging-tough/

For Trump's situation, that'd be a VERY optimistic outlook.  Georgia and Arizona are trending blue, and it'll be a struggle for Trump to hold even Texas.  I predict Hillary breaches 400 EVs on Election Day.

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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2016, 02:17:49 pm »
So basically he'll do about the same as Romney and McCain.


Actually worse... Romney won states like Indiana, and North Carolina (unlike McCain)... Georgia and Arizona shouldn't be a lean GOP state.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2016, 02:24:38 pm »
THe problem is that the third party vote is split among Stein and Johnson, and others like the Constitution Party. For that reason it won't have as big of an effect as people think.

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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2016, 02:25:22 pm »
For Trump's situation, that'd be a VERY optimistic outlook.  Georgia and Arizona are trending blue, and it'll be a struggle for Trump to hold even Texas.  I predict Hillary breaches 400 EVs on Election Day.


I think he will struggle in South Carolina as well..
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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2016, 02:59:49 pm »
Lets say Sabato is spot on and you give Trump FL (29) + OH (18) + MI (16) = 63, then he would have 191+63=254 which is still 16 EV short.  For the 16, he would need WI or MN (10 each) + either NV or IA (6 each).   

Not impossible but unlikely based on his performance since the convention.  Trump was probably going to win Indiana so Pence does not bring anything to the table.  Rubio, Walker, or Kasich would have been better VP choices for the general.  I don't want to give up, but the fat lady is ready to sing and it is not even Sepptember yet.
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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2016, 03:01:57 pm »
Lets say Sabato is spot on and you give Trump FL (29) + OH (18) + MI (16) = 63, then he would have 191+63=254 which is still 16 EV short.  For the 16, he would need WI or MN (10 each) + either NV or IA (6 each).   

Not impossible but unlikely based on his performance since the convention.  Trump was probably going to win Indiana so Pence does not bring anything to the table.  Rubio, Walker, or Kasich would have been better VP choices for the general.  I don't want to give up, but the fat lady is ready to sing and it is not even Sepptember yet.


If Trump wants to win, he has to turn it around before Labor Day.. That is when people starts to pay attention.
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Re: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 D to 191 R)
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2016, 03:11:50 pm »
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With all due respect to Sabato, I see the map looking more like this.  Just reverse the colors.