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It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?  by JIM GERAGHTY   

August 4, 2016 

 Ross Douthat observed that Donald Trump’s post-convention bump came after not only the GOP convention, but the Dallas shootings, the Baton Rouge shooting, the terrorist truck attack in Nice. In other words, events beyond the convention halls seemed to be affirming the argument that the Obama administration was helpless in the face of ISIS advances, and that the Black Lives Matter movement had enabled a toxic, murderous rage against police officers. The status quo looked like decay; rolling the dice on Trump looked palatable; at least he was angry about these problems.

Since the Democratic convention, there haven’t been any ambushes of police officers – or if there has, there hasn’t been any major national coverage. It’s been nine days since the last major ISIS attack, when they sliced the throat of the elderly priest in Normandy.

Meanwhile, since the Democratic convention ended, Trump entered an extended war of words with Khizr Khan and chose to not endorse Paul Ryan in his primary. Yesterday he felt the need to re-argue controversies about Megyn Kelly and a disabled reporter.

Yes, a lot the coverage of Trump now wildly over-hypes even his more mundane exchanges about a crying baby or receiving a veteran’s Purple Heart medal into major controversies. But the Republican nominee is reinforcing Hillary Clinton’s argument from her convention speech: he’s easily baited into fights. He seems to think that now is the time to stick it to Ryan, not caring that this will dominate the news until Ryan’s primary next week. He can’t let any perceived slight go, even if fighting it is against his long-term interests.

Ace of Spades and I have had some major disagreements during this primary season, but I see his generally compelling point: if the electorate signs off on Hillary Clinton’s bad behavior, it will ratify every dishonest, radical, anti-Constitutional and vindictive thing President Obama has ever done. The ballot box is the only way to hold the progressive aristocracy accountable or check their power, and thus opposing the Republican nominee hinders that make-us-or-break-us test of whether we’re still a country with a rule of law.

The problem is that Trump seems to grasp none of this, has no interest in strengthening our arguments and at times seems to take a gleeful pleasure in undermining them, as Ace observes:

 Here’s the thing: A presidential candidate shouldn’t need supporters to constantly work hard to bail him out of trouble. He should, as many anti-Trumpers point out, sort of try to keep out of trouble.

 He should be working for us — not vice versa…

Trump is immune from social pressure. He grew up a rich kid that routinely skated from trouble due to his wealth; he simply never had to learn, as most of us learned and internalized at an early age, that bad behavior, and upsetting conventional (even if dumb) social wisdom, has consequences and should be avoided.

Note my point from earlier in the week that “normal” center-right Republican Senate candidates are running stronger than Trump is… This morning we find that in Pennsylvania, Pat Toomey is down by one point, while Trump is down by 11 points. In New Hampshire, Kelly Ayotte is down 10 points, while Trump is down 15 points (17 without the third-party candidates).   

But it’s not all disastrous news for the Trump campaign: 

Trump and the RNC raised $64 million through a joint digital and mail effort in July, according to his campaign, the bulk of it from small donations. All told, Mr. Trump and his party brought in $82 million last month, only slightly behind Clinton’s $90 million, and ended with $74 million on hand, suggesting he might now have the resources to compete with Mrs. Clinton in the closing stretch of the campaign.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438673/its-early-august-theres-time-turn-around-right-right
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2016, 07:23:33 pm »
At this point Trump's only realistic chance is to so damage Hillary Clinton that the thought of a President Hillary is even more unthinkable than a Trump presidency.  Interestingly, that's actually do-able, and well within Trump's skill set.  She's so corrupt and incompetent that the case could actually be made that she's not honest enough; and the incredible foreign policy trainwreck that can be laid directly at her feet makes the case that she's not only incompetent but truly dangerous to deal with the mess she's made worldwide.

This would require discipline on Trump's part, however -- staying on message, offering rational alternatives, limiting himself to "defensible attacks" on Clinton, and so on.

I don't think he can do it.  But even now it's possible.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2016, 07:38:32 pm »
At this point Trump's only realistic chance is to so damage Hillary Clinton that the thought of a President Hillary is even more unthinkable than a Trump presidency.  Interestingly, that's actually do-able, and well within Trump's skill set.  She's so corrupt and incompetent that the case could actually be made that she's not honest enough; and the incredible foreign policy trainwreck that can be laid directly at her feet makes the case that she's not only incompetent but truly dangerous to deal with the mess she's made worldwide.

61% think Hillary is dishonest
62% think Trump is too

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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2016, 07:51:14 pm »
61% think Hillary is dishonest
62% think Trump is too

And that's with a complicit media on Hillary's side....

My point being, though.... Trump can't win this thing on his own merits.  His only hope is that he can make himself seem like the less-horrible choice, and that's do-able if he can mount a disciplined ad and stump campaign, and not come across as a loon in the debates (if any).

That's the same strategy Clinton will have to use -- is already using.

Trump is helped by the fact that Clinton really is horrible: totally corrupt and thoroughly incompetent.  The thought of her dealing with the difficult problems the next president will face over the next four years is unthinkable... assuming she even lives through the effort (I suspect she's seriously ill).  People recognize this.

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 07:54:58 pm »


Trump is helped by the fact that Clinton really is horrible:

so is Trump

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2016, 08:02:50 pm »
And that's with a complicit media on Hillary's side....

My point being, though.... Trump can't win this thing on his own merits.  His only hope is that he can make himself seem like the less-horrible choice, and that's do-able if he can mount a disciplined ad and stump campaign, and not come across as a loon in the debates (if any).

That's the same strategy Clinton will have to use -- is already using.

Trump is helped by the fact that Clinton really is horrible: totally corrupt and thoroughly incompetent.  The thought of her dealing with the difficult problems the next president will face over the next four years is unthinkable... assuming she even lives through the effort (I suspect she's seriously ill).  People recognize this.


If he can't turn it around by Labor Day it is over.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2016, 08:02:56 pm »
There is a signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone!

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2016, 08:03:53 pm »
Why is Trump still campaigning in Maine? Maine!!

It makes no sense.

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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2016, 08:04:55 pm »
Hillary is beating Trump because she has made every effort to unify her base. She's a terrible campaigner and an even worse person, but 42% of the electorate will vote for her no matter what because she is a Rat. So all she has to do is pick up another 8.01% and she will win.

Trump on the other hand has gone out of his way to solidify his opposition within the Pub party. He did it in the primaries and after getting the nomination exacerbated the split with all his anti-Cruz crap. Even if he apologized at this point I think the "trains left the station".
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2016, 08:10:35 pm »
Hillary is beating Trump because she has made every effort to unify her base. She's a terrible campaigner and an even worse person, but 42% of the electorate will vote for her no matter what because she is a Rat. So all she has to do is pick up another 8.01% and she will win.

Trump on the other hand has gone out of his way to solidify his opposition within the Pub party. He did it in the primaries and after getting the nomination exacerbated the split with all his anti-Cruz crap. Even if he apologized at this point I think the "trains left the station".
It's worse than that He and certain of his minions have  said on multiple occasions he doesn't need us.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 08:19:13 pm »
It's worse than that He and certain of his minions have  said on multiple occasions he doesn't need us.

Now things are turning against them and losing the Senate is becoming a possibility. What a mess.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2016, 08:38:46 pm »
Why is Trump still campaigning in Maine? Maine!!

It makes no sense.


Huh??
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2016, 08:57:22 pm »

Huh??

The story is that because Maine allocates EV on a proportional basis, he can maybe pick up 1 EV by campaigning there.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2016, 09:51:18 pm »
The story is that because Maine allocates EV on a proportional basis, he can maybe pick up 1 EV by campaigning there.


I understand, but I would campaign in states that has a huge EV count.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2016, 10:41:49 pm »
With all his other crippling faults Trump is also a terrible campaigner. He is totally incapable of organizing a team and coming up with a coherent campaign. He thinks he can do what he did in the primaries and beat Hillary.
The problem is the majority of the country are not factually lacking and qualifications disregarding  Republicans who can only think of The Wall and little else. They talk about Supreme Court justices and trade, but really it was Trump's promise to build THE WALL!!! that got their juices flowing.
Trump is too dumb and too uninterested in running a traditionally coherent campaign that could minimize his many faults and keep the pressure on Hillary. He certainly can't discuss conservative or constitutional positions. He just doesn't have it in him.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2016, 10:45:38 pm »
At this point Trump's only realistic chance is to so damage Hillary Clinton that the thought of a President Hillary is even more unthinkable than a Trump presidency.  Interestingly, that's actually do-able, and well within Trump's skill set.  She's so corrupt and incompetent that the case could actually be made that she's not honest enough; and the incredible foreign policy trainwreck that can be laid directly at her feet makes the case that she's not only incompetent but truly dangerous to deal with the mess she's made worldwide.

This would require discipline on Trump's part, however -- staying on message, offering rational alternatives, limiting himself to "defensible attacks" on Clinton, and so on.

I don't think he can do it.  But even now it's possible.

Except he has to read his criticisms of Hillary and his heart is just not in that.  And everybody can tell that he's just reading stuff he likely doesn't believe.

Viewers know he'd rather be scrapping with Gold Star parents or handicapped reporters.
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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2016, 10:58:17 pm »
NO!
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2016, 11:15:55 pm »
Why is Trump still campaigning in Maine? Maine!!

It makes no sense.

Without Maine, how can he win the all-important state of Quebec?!?

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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2016, 11:29:12 pm »

I understand, but I would campaign in states that has a huge EV count.
He's not even running TV ads yet. His campaign is a farce. He's no longer self-funding and yet is doing nothing but overbooking convention centers and then yelling at babies and fire marshals.
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2016, 11:33:53 pm »
The story is that because Maine allocates EV on a proportional basis, he can maybe pick up 1 EV by campaigning there.

It might be the only one he gets.

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Re: It’s Early August. There’s Time to Turn This Around, Right? Right?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2016, 11:41:59 pm »
He's not even running TV ads yet. His campaign is a farce. He's no longer self-funding and yet is doing nothing but overbooking convention centers and then yelling at babies and fire marshals.

We're not supposed to notice that.  His ever-loyal fans don't notice. 

He was never serious about beating Hillary and winning the presidency.  That much has become glaringly obvious at least to some of us.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2016, 11:50:18 pm »
He's not even running TV ads yet.

Ted's fault.
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2016, 11:55:06 pm »
We're not supposed to notice that.  His ever-loyal fans don't notice. 

He was never serious about beating Hillary and winning the presidency.  That much has become glaringly obvious at least to some of us.
Or they tell us to look at the crowds, but I don't know what the popularity of the Cavaliers has to do with Trump?  :whistle:
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