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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2016, 06:38:00 pm »
....."those of us who voted against him"....

There is no such thing as a vote against.......the Presidential Election is "For" a candidate.....the one who comes closest to the issues and positions you hold. You're choosing to sit back and watch. ....but the outcome will affect you either way...Hillary or Trump will be elected.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2016, 06:46:01 pm »

I'm doing the right thing and not voting. 



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« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2016, 06:59:31 pm »
I completely agree, and have seen the same thing.

I believe these people have consciences which are screaming at them as to who Trump is and what evil they are supporting, and yet, for some reason, they feel the need to try to make it 'alright' by twisting themselves into knots.

I know it's happened before with other candidates, but I've never seen good people turn on rational conservatives to this degree before.  It's like they know their guy isn't good in any sense of the word, and yet they have a need to make it seem so by, as you said, mental gymnastics.

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Yep, I agree; it's their consciences trying to get their attention.    IMO, the degree of irrationality and anger is in direct proportion to the corruption and vileness of the candidate himself.

Jonah Goldberg wrote this:

"I’m sure I’m being unfair to many, but I’m convinced I’m being entirely fair to at least a few when I say that some of the anger aimed at #NeverTrumpers isn’t purely motivated by rage against those insufficiently dedicated to stopping Hillary — it’s also derived from a sense of shame on the part of those willing to sell their souls to this creamsicle colored kakistocrat. The thinking seems to be, “If I’m willing to sell out to this guy, who are you not to?” And among the politicians, the calculation seems to be that if everyone makes a deal with the devil, no one can be singled out for blame when this ends in tears."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438525/hillary-clinton-2016-democratic-convention-speech-reintroductions-wont-work
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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2016, 07:00:00 pm »
That's the way it looks to me.  It is similar to a bunch of school children who pick on anyone who won't go along with their bad antics.  They don't want dissent reminding them they are wrong.

They are also fearful of "I told you sos."  They are pretty sure to be coming, and if they convince you to join in they won't have to deal with those.

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« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2016, 07:03:47 pm »
"... And among the politicians, the calculation seems to be that if everyone makes a deal with the devil, no one can be singled out for blame when this ends in tears."

Geat point!!

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« Reply #80 on: July 30, 2016, 07:04:34 pm »
He hates Bloomberg because Bloomberg has actually won political office (twice), has more money, and is more respected than Trump.

He liked Bloomberg enough to praise him as "Brilliant" for spending part of his fortune in his lame effort to take guns from law-abiding American citizens.


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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #81 on: July 30, 2016, 07:07:49 pm »
The support of a leftist reprobate like Trump in the "Republican" primary is what resulted in a Hillary presidency.

I will not be falsely guilted into a crime I did not commit.

The blame for Hillary lies squarely on the shoulders of Trump's people and Trump himself.
Not those of us who voted against him and screamed the warning to others.  ALL the other candidates fared better against Hillary than Trump did.

You won't "win" your argument by refusing to admit the cause of the situation that the evil Trump and his robotic followers have put us in.

Exactly right.  If Trump had not decided (with the Clintons' help) to run as the GOP spoiler candidate, Cruz would now be our nominee and America wouldn't be faced with a Hillary Clinton presidency.  The blame lies squarely on Trump ....and those that naively (or stupidly) supported him.   Their attempts to pass that blame onto us is asinine. (but not surprising, considering)
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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #82 on: July 30, 2016, 07:10:30 pm »
....."those of us who voted against him"....

There is no such thing as a vote against.......the Presidential Election is "For" a candidate.....the one who comes closest to the issues and positions you hold. You're choosing to sit back and watch. ....but the outcome will affect you either way...Hillary or Trump will be elected.

You are coming perilously close to deliberate deceit here, @WAC

Be careful of what the inflicting of your new Trump "ethics" on others will do to your own character......

My vote actually WAS against Trump.  Others here disagreed with my choice (and that was fine), but here in Ohio, as a Cruz supporter, I voted for Kasich because he could beat Trump, and only Trump, IMO, was a dangerous, evil choice.

Ergo, I, in good conscience, voted "against" evil.

And I am not in any way choosing to "sit back and watch." I am as engaged in the process as I have ever been.

I'm just not voting for your newly beloved hero, and I'm not voting for Hillary.  Neither represents a single value I have.
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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #83 on: July 30, 2016, 07:12:13 pm »


Once again, it is YOUR support of Trump that is giving us Hillary.

If you truly didn't want Hillary to win, you would have supported a candidate who could beat her, and didn't share her values, as Trump does.

Your cute gifs are meaningless because you chose so very poorly.
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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #84 on: July 30, 2016, 07:13:34 pm »
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Yep, I agree; it's their consciences trying to get their attention.    IMO, the degree of irrationality and anger is in direct proportion to the corruption and vileness of the candidate himself.

Jonah Goldberg wrote this:

"I’m sure I’m being unfair to many, but I’m convinced I’m being entirely fair to at least a few when I say that some of the anger aimed at #NeverTrumpers isn’t purely motivated by rage against those insufficiently dedicated to stopping Hillary — it’s also derived from a sense of shame on the part of those willing to sell their souls to this creamsicle colored kakistocrat. The thinking seems to be, “If I’m willing to sell out to this guy, who are you not to?” And among the politicians, the calculation seems to be that if everyone makes a deal with the devil, no one can be singled out for blame when this ends in tears."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438525/hillary-clinton-2016-democratic-convention-speech-reintroductions-wont-work

Great summation by Goldberg.

We are watching guilty consciences at work.

And it's not pretty.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #85 on: July 30, 2016, 07:15:30 pm »
Geat point!!

Jonah has been nailing it lately.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #86 on: July 30, 2016, 07:16:19 pm »
Exactly right.  If Trump had not decided (with the Clintons' help) to run as the GOP spoiler candidate, Cruz would now be our nominee and America wouldn't be faced with a Hillary Clinton presidency.  The blame lies squarely on Trump ....and those that naively (or stupidly) supported him.   Their attempts to pass that blame onto us is asinine. (but not surprising, considering)

Unfortunately, not surprising.

I think some are realizing their folly and those are the ones desperately flailing and trying to inflict guilt upon those of us who never succumbed to the teenaged peer pressure the Trump campaign used so often.

It is our lack of gullibility that irks them the most, methinks......
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #87 on: July 30, 2016, 07:19:20 pm »
Unfortunately, not surprising.

I think some are realizing their folly and those are the ones desperately flailing and trying to inflict guilt upon those of us who never succumbed to the teenaged peer pressure the Trump campaign used so often.

It is our lack of gullibility that irks them the most, methinks......

It is their lack of discernment that irks me the most...lol.  I'm wondering if any of them are really Christians.  Discernment is something you pray to God for and something that he blesses you with.  But you have to ask for it.  I somehow doubt that they have asked God for that.  I honestly don't see how they could have.
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« Reply #88 on: July 30, 2016, 07:23:55 pm »
It is their lack of discernment that irks me the most...lol.  I'm wondering if any of them are really Christians.  Discernment is something you pray to God for and something that he blesses you with.  But you have to ask for it.  I somehow doubt that they have asked God for that.  I honestly don't see how they could have.

Nor do I.

Unless they are confusing God's speaking with political peer pressure.

In any case, no matter what a person decides to do.......... and I DO understand those who are reluctantly thinking they need to vote for Trump because Hillary is worse............ it is just WRONG to try to convince people of conscience to violate their consciences and people who value integrity and character to vote for a candidate who is completely devoid of either.

IOW, I don't have a problem with Trump voters as much as I have a problem with these Trump missionaries, bullying us to ignore our values to vote for their deeply flawed candidate.

In fact, I find this missionary Trump zeal morally repugnant.
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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #89 on: July 30, 2016, 07:25:03 pm »


Posing goofy pictures of Hillary is not going to get anyone to change their mind.  The same goofy pictures, if not more goofy, could be posted of the Donald.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2016, 07:30:01 pm »
It seems to me that Trump supporters allowed themselves to be emotionally impacted by his juvenile attacks against the media and the establishment. And having felt the satisfaction of having that itch scratched which says, "get the establishment media" they've attempted to create an ideology out of it. We saw this early in the primaries when so-called conservative Trump supporters would concern troll, spreading FUD and saying, "I don't know what it means to be a conservative or a Republican anymore." This was instrumental. They needed to create that blank slate for themselves, free of established conservative ideals, in order to justify their selection of Trump.

By definition, that is a cult of personality. And cults don't brook interference from heretics and non-believers.

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« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2016, 07:35:50 pm »
Wow.  The obsession with Cruz is frightening.  He went to Dallas because of the murders of Dallas police in his home state.

To make that something evil takes a distortion of thinking that is disturbing.

And to still be ranting about it, makes me worry about your state of mind, WAC.  I would suggest counseling......

The handlers haven't told WAC to let up on the Cruz hate.
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« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2016, 07:43:10 pm »
It seems to me that Trump supporters allowed themselves to be emotionally impacted by his juvenile attacks against the media and the establishment. And having felt the satisfaction of having that itch scratched which says, "get the establishment media" they've attempted to create an ideology out of it. We saw this early in the primaries when so-called conservative Trump supporters would concern troll, spreading FUD and saying, "I don't know what it means to be a conservative or a Republican anymore." This was instrumental. They needed to create that blank slate for themselves, free of established conservative ideals, in order to justify their selection of Trump.

By definition, that is a cult of personality. And cults don't brook interference from heretics and non-believers.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #93 on: July 30, 2016, 08:05:59 pm »
......"I don't have a candidate I can vote for this election, but I still care about America"......


You chose to not have a candidate.......If Hillary gets in  office and appoints 3 or 4 more activist judges, the concept of America as the land of the free is lost -- irreparably. ....The importance of this can not be over stated!

I don't vote for Narcissistic Fascists.  We have Trump because the GOP didn't like Ted Cruz.  Now they are stuck with this embarrassment.
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« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2016, 08:08:36 pm »
The handlers haven't told WAC to let up on the Cruz hate.

I guess not.

But it's still very weird.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2016, 08:31:58 pm »
It seems to me that Trump supporters allowed themselves to be emotionally impacted by his juvenile attacks against the media and the establishment. And having felt the satisfaction of having that itch scratched which says, "get the establishment media" they've attempted to create an ideology out of it. We saw this early in the primaries when so-called conservative Trump supporters would concern troll, spreading FUD and saying, "I don't know what it means to be a conservative or a Republican anymore." This was instrumental. They needed to create that blank slate for themselves, free of established conservative ideals, in order to justify their selection of Trump.

By definition, that is a cult of personality. And cults don't brook interference from heretics and non-believers.

While I don't know what FUD means... I think this was a very good post.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2016, 08:37:46 pm »
How about listening to what's said and stated....(his 'proposals' and positions are on his website)...

.so which of these do you object to????


....Obamacare has been a disaster and is the biggest job-killer in this country.

....The U.S. wrong about China....there's little about China that commands the "respect" of the US

...Secure the borders, stop illegal immigration.

...We need to give our police all they need to target radical Islamists.

....limited air strikes" are not stopping the Islamic State

...After 7.5 years of Obama it's getting worse, not better.

....We need to unleash the full force  of the American military to destroy ISIS

....American dollars should not be used  to overthrow the duly-elected leaders.

....The President is (charged by the Constitution), solely responsible to execute law.

...In this nation the rule of law is supposed to matter

....It's time for NATO allies to pay their share of defense spending

First, he has no credibility.  There's a VAST difference between what his WEBSITE...SAYS; and what he himself believes and/or says.  And there's an obvious reason for this:  He didn't write the stuff on his campaign website, and probably never has read it.

Second, he doesn't seem able to differentiate between trade with Japan, trade with Canada and Mexico, or trade with China.  Free trade BENEFITS - and as Smoot-Hawley and Hebert Hoover showed us, protection is a shortcut to an economic crash.  China is the exception - it's a Communist slave-labor camp.

But he doesn't get that; and even if he did, closing the trade-door with China now will probably launch a war.

NATO:  Who benefits most from NATO?  How about, the United States?  I'm reminded of the new sheriff in Blazing Saddles - "Make another move and I'll shoot myself!"

This guy is about "deals" not about principles.  The RINOs and the Leftists, who are identical under their Party Hats, just LUUUV the idea of government (controlled) healthcare.  Trumpy doesn't give a flaming rat's rearend.  So he'll make a deal and then start calling the guys who want it removed, names.

Like he HAS been doing.  For their failure to make "deals" he calls them "hard to get along with."

I don't like Trumpy because I cannot trust Trumpy.  Because we've caught him in a dozen lies, many of them actionable slanders.  Nothing changes that...when a man is found to be a liar, he's regarded as a liar.  And you take the word of a liar at your own peril.

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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2016, 08:44:18 pm »
It seems to me that Trump supporters allowed themselves to be emotionally impacted by his juvenile attacks against the media and the establishment. And having felt the satisfaction of having that itch scratched which says, "get the establishment media" they've attempted to create an ideology out of it. We saw this early in the primaries when so-called conservative Trump supporters would concern troll, spreading FUD and saying, "I don't know what it means to be a conservative or a Republican anymore." This was instrumental. They needed to create that blank slate for themselves, free of established conservative ideals, in order to justify their selection of Trump.

By definition, that is a cult of personality. And cults don't brook interference from heretics and non-believers.

 :amen:

One more second on this.  It is exactly the description - of the cult and how it happened.

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« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2016, 10:24:40 pm »
While I don't know what FUD means... I think this was a very good post.


Thank you. FUD is just internet short hand for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. In this context, for Trump supporters to disregard what had been previously established conservative doctrine, they had to throw their hands in the air, shrug their shoulders and act like everything they've been taught to believe has been called into question. They sowed so much confusion about what is a conservative principle, and who is a conservative that it gave them cover to put forward Trump. And because they sowed all that FUD about conservatism they were able to bob and weave when confronted by people who actually hold conservative positions. And that's how Cruz became a pariah and Trump a savior.

And soon enough, being a union-supporting trade protectionist became a conservative position. Along with expanding the scope and power of federal government to regulate business. Pro-life issues were cast aside and Trump supporters adopted the mantra of the GOPe. Essentially telling pro-life conservatives, "get in the back of the bus, we'll get to that later. The country is immediate danger. We can't afford the luxury of your SoCon positions." This even extends to Libertarian foreign policy positions. Agitating the withdrawal from NATO unless the member states pay their fair share, etc.

All this because Trump supporters figured out that the only way to make their candidate palatable was to muddy the waters on what it means to be a conservative.


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Re: Trump Says He Wanted to 'Hit a Couple of Speakers So Hard'
« Reply #99 on: July 30, 2016, 10:34:52 pm »
Nor do I.

Unless they are confusing God's speaking with political peer pressure.

In any case, no matter what a person decides to do.......... and I DO understand those who are reluctantly thinking they need to vote for Trump because Hillary is worse............ it is just WRONG to try to convince people of conscience to violate their consciences and people who value integrity and character to vote for a candidate who is completely devoid of either.

IOW, I don't have a problem with Trump voters as much as I have a problem with these Trump missionaries, bullying us to ignore our values to vote for their deeply flawed candidate.

In fact, I find this missionary Trump zeal morally repugnant.

Ditto that.
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