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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2016, 06:09:24 pm »
I'll never vote for a pro-abortion candidate like Johnson,

Black children 5 times more likely to be aborted than white. This is true racism.  The Democratic party champions it.

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2016, 06:22:08 pm »
I'll never vote for a pro-abortion candidate like Johnson

But you'll vote for a flip-flopping fascist like Trump?

You do know that Trump's current stance on abortion is as phony as a three dollar bill?   

 

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2016, 06:34:42 pm »
But you'll vote for a flip-flopping fascist like Trump?

You do know that Trump's current stance on abortion is as phony as a three dollar bill?   

 

Voting for Trump IS voting for a pro-abortion candidate.

Any failure to recognize that is deliberate self-deceit.
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #78 on: July 28, 2016, 06:52:09 pm »
First of all, there is zero chance of Johnson even winning a state much less the election. The idea should be to support him enough in all polls so that he exceeds the 15% threshold to get into the presidential debates. Once he does that the "Burney Babies" will see the dope smoking nut case as somebody they can vote for denying Hillary 5%, 10% or more of the popular vote per state providing donnie the victory. Face it, the winner will be donnie or piano legs, period. Perot did it to pappy Bush in 92 giving us the first nightmare installment of the Klintons.

A vote for Johnson is a vote for donnie.

At this point in time, I don't really assume anything. In the onset of this election I thought we were going to see Hillary facing off with Bush.  I knew Cruz had support, but I didn't realize how much. I certainly didn't think Trump would be our nominee. Johnson or Castle may very well win a state or maybe more. Perhaps Cruz write-in may be overwhelming. Who knows what's going to transpire surrounding Hillary or Trump. The likely best case scenario with Johnson, Castle or Cruz write-in is that cumulatively they deny Hillary and Trump the majority.  I think we will see a much larger 3rd party or write-in vote than we saw with Perot.

To NOT vote one's conscience in this election is foolish.
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #79 on: July 28, 2016, 06:55:25 pm »
But you'll vote for a flip-flopping fascist like Trump?

You do know that Trump's current stance on abortion is as phony as a three dollar bill?   

 

Trump's current stance on every issue is as phony as a three dollar bill.  He is a fraud.
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #80 on: July 28, 2016, 07:50:10 pm »
Battle ground states that could be close we would lose on any recounts so to deny her any possibility of majorities in those states votes need to be siphoned from her. The way to do that is vote Johnson or any other 3rd party. The facts are in and the Libertarian and Green Parties are getting overwhelming new registrations from Bernies babies. Whether they do vote for either is another story but that may be the only way to win close battlegrounds.

I absolutely cannot stand Trump but I hate him less than Hillary and if it was necessary to do in my state I would easily vote for Johnson if it represented a better chance of defeating Hillary. I think Trump can easily cruise to the win here in Texas but other states it will be different.

You people that cannot see the finish line because of pride should realize you are not voting for Johnson, an abortion lover, but  will be casting your vote with the most effective method leading to the defeat of Hillary, leaving us time to figure out what the heck we are going to do in 4 more years.

Tactical battle plans sometime require non-traditional methods in order to win the strategic war.


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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #81 on: July 28, 2016, 07:54:38 pm »
Pardon, multiple phone calls have interrupted.

For this to work requires Johnson to get into the presidential debates in order to convince enough of the vindictive bernie babies to vote non-hillary. He is the only one of the 3rd parties to even have a whisker of a chance to make the debates.


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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2016, 02:35:52 am »
Marcus Hawkins ‏@HawkinsUSA

I think I'm being pretty generous. By voting Johnson, you only need 1 voter to offset that loss. Keep pushing me to Hillary, and you need 2.


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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2016, 02:57:15 am »
A Judeo-Christian social order actually serves to limit government because it reduces the need for welfare and other social services and it results in a less dependent electorate and in lower crime rates and fewer social ills of all sorts.  So painting our heritage of supporting the natural family and having laws against things like homosexual behavior and illicit drug use and polygamy, etc., as expanding government is not really accurate.  It is the only way to really appropriately limited government and enjoy ordered liberty under law.  The libertarian perspective of unlimited social choices results in social chaos and an expanded reach of government overall.  It cannot be sustained long term.  It will inch its way back into big big government as we try to fix all the problems created by things like drug abuse, promiscuity, pornography, prostitution and all the other things libertarians want legalized.

Well said, @RAT Patrol , and absolutely correct.

Abiding by the standards set up by Judeo-Christian ethics results in smaller government, and a more decent, responsible society.

The Founders knew it, but most Americans have forgotten that a representative Republican requires a moral people to survive.
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2016, 03:58:52 am »
But you'll vote for a flip-flopping fascist like Trump?

You do know that Trump's current stance on abortion is as phony as a three dollar bill?   

 

How is Trump a Fascist--specifically???

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2016, 05:16:01 am »
How is Trump a Fascist--specifically???

He has no power - yet.  So we don't know.

We DO know that he's obsessed with acquiring power - "By Any Means Necessary."  That's the Leftist technique.  Conservatives, like Americans all throughout our history, wanted - with some exceptions - power to further their principles and policy aims.  Sometimes general; sometimes more narrow, as in Western expansion.

Of the original forefathers, only Aaron Burr revealed himself as desiring power for the sake of having power.  An attempt to make the Louisiana Purchase territory the Kingdom of Burr, failed miserably - and Burr, having killed Hamilton in a duel, was a wanted man with a warrant for homicide in New York.

Burr failed because he couldn't control himself.  Trump cannot control himself, either - but that no longer seems to matter to today's Reality TV voter.

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2016, 12:32:27 pm »
How is Trump a Fascist--specifically???

Well, he's certainly a demagogue,  and his appeals echo those of historic fascist movements.

He employs ethnic stereotypes, and appeals to voters on the basis of their fears and prejudices.   He insists that the nation is in catastrophic decline and pins the blame on "others" that must be demonized and cast out.   

Most fascist movements have relied on the trope of national decline by reason of nefarious outside or traitorous forces,  that can be only be solved by placing faith in a Strongman.   Mussolini famously boasted that he'd make the trains run on time,  almost promising to do so by force of will alone.   Trump's acceptance speech was filled with the theme that only He, and He alone, could solve our problems.   (If he admonished his followers to vote for the rest of the GOP ticket,  for Congress on down,  I must have missed it.) 

Most fascist movements are centered around a cult of personality.  That describes Trump and his uncritical followers to a tee.   To fan that cult,  he flies to gatherings on a helicopter, his name plastered on the side,  and otherwise uses the same sorts of fascist tropes that are intended to project power and authority not based on ideas but on the narcotic of placing one's faith in One Man.   He cheers when protesters at his rallies are silenced and removed.   He encourages a "brownshirt" mentality on the part of his followers, an attitude that excuses thuggishness is a virtue in support of their Dear Leader. 

And did you see how he'd jut his jaw out and tug at his lapels with both hands while soaking in the applause at his acceptance speech?   Classic Mussolini.

I understand the source of Trump's appeal.  The economic recovery has been historically weak,  and U.S leadership generally is both weak and dysfunctional.   Who doesn't want to see the trains run on time, the villains routed, and respect for the "forgotten man" restored?   But at what cost?   Are things really so bad that we will all be checking our consciences and common sense at the door to vote for this narcissistic man and his siren song?    Because, "fascism" aside,  Trump's personality - his megalomania, his temper, his refusal to listen to counsel,  his impetuousness, his vindictiveness - are exactly the wrong traits for a President to have in a perilous world.  And the latest jolt, of course, is his apparent ties to Russia.  If his businesses are propped up by shade Russian money, isn't that simply an unacceptable conflict of interest for a job that will require dealing with that adversary nation?     

I had been counseling that the GOP should accept parts of Trump's messenger, but reject the messenger himself as too unstable and dangerous.   That hope is done now - Trump's the nominee and we must all deal with the facts as they are.   For me,  I must confront the reality of voting against my own self-interest and long-time loyalties to try to stop a man who threatens the safety and prosperity of us all.       

 

     
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2016, 12:47:12 pm »
At this point my only real objective in this election is to stop HRC from becoming POTUS.  I have so far withheld support from Trump because I do not yet accept that Trump is a viable vehicle for stopping Hillary Clinton, or that Trump is the ONLY vehicle for defeating her.  It looks to be evolving that way, but there remain avenues open, including the possibility that Gary Johnson emerges as the primary challenger.

Imagine this.  Johnson's support grows to over 15 percent and he gets included in the debates.  Then Romney, Cruz, Bush, Kasich, Sasse and several other notable disenchanted Republicans endorse him and help him get financed.  Then Trump makes a major gaffe.  It could happen.  There is already media speculation that Romney is getting on board with Johnson.

So for me, I am just keeping my powder dry.  I try to avoid bashing Trump, unless he does something particularly egregious (such as supporting the minimum wage).  I sit in my recliner with my popcorn and I watch and wait to see how things evolve in my state.  If here in Pennsylvania it appears that Trump is viable, and he is the only way to stop Clinton, then I will probably vote for him.  But I am certainly not going to make the decision, or commit one way or the other, until election day.

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2016, 12:53:29 pm »
At this point my only real objective in this election is to stop HRC from becoming POTUS.  I have so far withheld support from Trump because I do not yet accept that Trump is a viable vehicle for stopping Hillary Clinton, or that Trump is the ONLY vehicle for defeating her.  It looks to be evolving that way, but there remain avenues open, including the possibility that Gary Johnson emerges as the primary challenger.

Imagine this.  Johnson's support grows to over 15 percent and he gets included in the debates.  Then Romney, Cruz, Bush, Kasich, Sasse and several other notable disenchanted Republicans endorse him and help him get financed.  Then Trump makes a major gaffe.  It could happen.  There is already media speculation that Romney is getting on board with Johnson.

So for me, I am just keeping my powder dry.  I try to avoid bashing Trump, unless he does something particularly egregious (such as supporting the minimum wage).  I sit in my recliner with my popcorn and I watch and wait to see how things evolve in my state.  If here in Pennsylvania it appears that Trump is viable, and he is the only way to stop Clinton, then I will probably vote for him.  But I am certainly not going to make the decision, or commit one way or the other, until election day.

I can imagine, too.   I'm supporting Johnson at this point,  but I'm also a Pennsylvania resident, perhaps this year's most crucial swing state.   If the polls here are close, I'll do what I have to do to maximize the utility of my vote.   
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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2016, 03:30:57 pm »
I'm thinking Bernie voters don't even show up.

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Re: As Both Parties Are Losing Voters, Gary Johnson Is Winning Them
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2016, 04:50:46 pm »
Cruz's supporters like me bristle at the notion of taking orders. That's why Ted was smart to not endorse Trump. He knew that we would take umbrage at such direction.

I prefer to believe that Mr. Cruz took a principled stand, as opposed to the sort of cynical play you're suggesting here.