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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #50 on: July 27, 2016, 05:22:44 pm »


Turn Christi loose on the hotel.  He's sneaky little twit.
Looks like that scene in starwars.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2016, 05:24:17 pm »
Looks like that scene in starwars.
WHOO-HA WHOO-HA YOU HAVE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME CHRISTIE! WHOO-HA WHOO-HA

If there ever was a gif worthy graphic.......
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2016, 05:26:31 pm »
Yes it does.  HVAC system (with optimum  design tonnage) evaporator coils only can produce a delta T, of about 20 degrees versus ambient.  Say outside in 98, with nominal humidity, then it should cool any more than 78 inside.

AC systems are routinely designed to provide more than 20°F of cooling below ambient in hot climates.  Phoenix wouldn't exist as a major city if they couldn't.

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2016, 05:31:28 pm »
That shot sure brings Police Academy to mind....  :whistle:

Looks like that scene in starwars.
WHOO-HA WHOO-HA YOU HAVE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME CHRISTIE! WHOO-HA WHOO-HA

Christi, I'M your Daddy!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

If there ever was a gif worthy graphic.......


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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2016, 05:32:26 pm »
AC systems are routinely designed to provide more than 20°F of cooling below ambient in hot climates.  Phoenix wouldn't exist as a major city if they couldn't.

Maybe I should have stated "in humid climes"
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2016, 05:49:56 pm »
Maybe I should have stated "in humid climes"

We cool more than 20°F below ambient in the Houston area as well.  My house isn't 80°F inside when it is +100°F outside.  Neither are the large power control buildings I specify with lots of heat generating equipment adding to the load.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2016, 05:54:43 pm »
We cool more than 20°F below ambient in the Houston area as well.  My house isn't 80°F inside when it is +100°F outside.  Neither are the large power control buildings I specify with lots of heat generating equipment adding to the load.

Mine is.  But then I have a shoddily constructed trac home.

If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2016, 05:56:05 pm »
Roanoke is not a huge business, convention, or tourist destination.  Why would they invest and install something that may be needed once in the lifetime of the HVAC's  useful life.  I wouldn't.
There is something being left out here, what was the maximum occupancy of the room, what was the number of guests Trump's people said would be using the room, how over occupied was the room, if any. Also how long were the doors to the room open prior to the event start where the AC may have been required to cool normally unassociated areas such as hallways which are generally kept warmer than occupied rooms?

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2016, 06:02:59 pm »
We cool more than 20°F below ambient in the Houston area as well.  My house isn't 80°F inside when it is +100°F outside.  Neither are the large power control buildings I specify with lots of heat generating equipment adding to the load.

If you fill your entire house with people elbow to elbow you might not.

20 degress is target for normal design, but most like you and I probably apply additional tonnage capacity  that will compensate for peak heat.  Heck if you put a 5 ton unit in a 1000 ft2 home you might get a delta T of 40 degrees.

Again, back to my earlier point, businesses like the one question often will not spend the extra capital if they think it won't it won't be utilized.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2016, 06:10:54 pm »
Wow, if you watched the damn rally, you would know he was not serious! **nononono*

Given that Donnie is not a serious person.


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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2016, 06:41:50 pm »
There is something being left out here, what was the maximum occupancy of the room, what was the number of guests Trump's people said would be using the room, how over occupied was the room, if any. Also how long were the doors to the room open prior to the event start where the AC may have been required to cool normally unassociated areas such as hallways which are generally kept warmer than occupied rooms?

I remember reading that the doors to the outside of the Hotel had been nearly continuously open for a couple hours due to the traffic before this point.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2016, 06:50:34 pm »
If you fill your entire house with people elbow to elbow you might not.

Absolutely, my house isn't designed for that heat load.

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20 degress is target for normal design, but most like you and I probably apply additional tonnage capacity  that will compensate for peak heat.  Heck if you put a 5 ton unit in a 1000 ft2 home you might get a delta T of 40 degrees.

Sure, when I design a power control room (full of medium voltage switchgear and the like), I require the units to provide the cooling at the max design ambient running 50% of the time, with one of the units shutdown.  Normal for critical infrastructure that keeps a major plant running.  If the ambient a day or two a year goes above our design max ambient, the units run more often but still meet our temperature requirements inside.

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Again, back to my earlier point, businesses like the one question often will not spend the extra capital if they think it won't it won't be utilized.

Was this room overfilled beyond its design capacity?  Was there a fire hazard due to beyond maximum occupancy allowed?

My point, and reason for responding was "HVAC system (with optimum  design tonnage) evaporator coils only can produce a delta T, of about 20 degrees versus ambient." is not a true limitation.  You may only get 20°F cooling across the evaporator coils, but that is from existing room temperature, not outside ambient temperature.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2016, 06:54:29 pm »
Just as a matter of point, and to show you can't just believe he was joking, Trump has a long history of either not paying contractors or vendors, or short changing them.
http://fortune.com/2016/06/10/donald-trumps-many-unpaid-ious/

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2016, 07:01:56 pm »
There is something being left out here, what was the maximum occupancy of the room, what was the number of guests Trump's people said would be using the room, how over occupied was the room, if any. Also how long were the doors to the room open prior to the event start where the AC may have been required to cool normally unassociated areas such as hallways which are generally kept warmer than occupied rooms?
The article said the doors had been open 2 hours prior so people could come into the room.  I know that when we have an event we try to keep the doors shut as much as possible.  Station signage and an individual in front of the closed door to direct people.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2016, 07:04:57 pm »
The whole how an HVAC system works discussion I first thought was a distraction but it made me think of something.

Mr. I only higher the best and brightest, I make the best deals, no one knows more than me, couldn't even take into account occupancy and climate when setting the event up? (or his 'best and brightest' couldn't?)

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2016, 08:11:24 pm »
If ya can't handle the heat get out of the hotel.
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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2016, 10:45:31 pm »
AC systems are routinely designed to provide more than 20°F of cooling below ambient in hot climates.  Phoenix wouldn't exist as a major city if they couldn't.

Texas would have a lot fewer residents

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2016, 10:51:23 pm »
Texas would have a lot fewer residents

The Transplanted/Migrating hoards of Yankee's and Californian's anyway.  But you can't call Californians Yankee's cuz they really aren't anything!

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Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2016, 11:12:20 pm »
The Transplanted/Migrating hoards of Yankee's and Californian's anyway.  But you can't call Californians Yankee's cuz they really aren't anything!

Call them Forn'ers and start building a wall.