Author Topic: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay  (Read 4293 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mlizzy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 694
    • Rosary for Peace
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2016, 11:55:36 am »
Unfortunately our country has looked the other way on late term abortions and has allowed Planned Parenthood to sell fetal tissue and body parts. We have allowed transgender bathrooms and gay marriages. We won't allow the words Merry Christmas to be uttered, nor the mention of God in our schools, yet mandate students write about Sharia law. I think the Lord is already intervening.  He is giving this country exactly what we deserve; Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

As my father used to say [frequently] in the 50s, 60s, and on [and I never really understood it completely], "I don't know whether to sh*t or go blind."

I think I now understand that expression.
America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. -Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta

geronl

  • Guest
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2016, 01:02:03 pm »
In His mercy, he's also giving an out. Neither Pence nor Kaine are bad people at all.  :shrug:

I don't agree. Kaine is a doctrinaire liberal who will be lock-step. Pence would sell his moms' shirt for relevance.

Offline Just_Victor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,765
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2016, 01:10:22 pm »
I don't agree. Kaine is a doctrinaire liberal who will be lock-step. Pence would sell his moms' shirt for relevance.

In EC's defense here, he said, "not bad people."  When I vote for G.W.Bush, McCain, and Romney, I recognized their RINO tendencies, but vote positively for them (not just against the democRAT) because they were all good men.  Bush and Romney because they believe that at the end of the day they are accountable to God, and McCain because of his above and beyond calling to our country.  In that same light, I think I'm with EC here in that Pence is a good man.  Not entirely sure about Kaine, but for certain he's not a criminal like Hillary, nor a Constitutional destructionist like 0bama.

If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.

Offline XenaLee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,398
  • Gender: Female
  • Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2016, 01:18:39 pm »
Maybe he can get Mexico to pay for the ballroom.

Lol!  Don't know if there are any MadTv fans here, but they mocked Trump incessantly in last nite's new episode.  Both in a game show skit with Hillary and Bill opposing Trump and Melania (where Melania was presented like Trump's trained seal, catching 'treats' in her mouth) and one with a Trump-like resurrected Ned Stark in a satire of Game of Thrones.  It was parody, but it was hard-hittingly funny.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 01:19:11 pm by XenaLee »
No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

Online Maj. Bill Martin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,920
  • Gender: Male
  • I'll make Mincemeat out of 'em"
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2016, 01:22:46 pm »
If he doesn't pay, that sucks.

On the flip side, the hotel's excuse stinks as well.  "Yes, our HVAC system is inadequate to cool the large room we rent out for gatherings, but it wasn't malfunctioning!"  I've done a lot of presentations in a lot of hotels, and an HVAC system that doesn't keep a room cool is not a minor issue.

Offline EC

  • Shanghaied Editor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 23,804
  • Gender: Male
  • Cats rule. Dogs drool.
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2016, 01:28:51 pm »
I don't agree. Kaine is a doctrinaire liberal who will be lock-step. Pence would sell his moms' shirt for relevance.

Doctrinaire liberal is a far cry from murderous criminal, and when Kaine sets the pace, it's a more of a gentle stroll than a full on sprint to the Left. He's not hugely decisive.

Pence isn't crazy.

I'll take what I can get.  :shrug:
The universe doesn't hate you. Unless your name is Tsutomu Yamaguchi

Avatar courtesy of Oceander

I've got a website now: Smoke and Ink

Offline mlizzy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 694
    • Rosary for Peace
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2016, 01:54:28 pm »
In His mercy, he's also giving an out. Neither Pence nor Kaine are bad people at all.  :shrug:

[Only] because of Pence, we will vote for Trump. Kaine on the other hand, is a despicable pro-abort, the worst kind, as he says he's "personally" against abortion, yet gives the nod to ALL abortion. That he is a self-described "traditional Catholic" is a joke, one that makes the devil laugh and laugh. A bishop has already spoken out telling Cain, er, I mean Kaine, not to ever present himself for Communion when he is serving.

Whatever Kaine might be okay on gets erased in a baby heartbeat, because of his stance on abortion.
America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign. -Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta

Online catfish1957

  • Laken Riley.... Say her Name. And to every past and future democrat voter- Her blood is on your hands too!!!
  • Political Researcher
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2016, 01:59:41 pm »
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/donald-trump-hotel-air-conditioning-roanoke/index.html?sr=fbCNN072616donald-trump-hotel-air-conditioning-roanoke0617PMVODtop

And as I said on another thread.  HVAC systems are not designed to cool an overtaxed human room of 98.6 degree people when the outside ambient temperature goes above 95.

Trump owes this hotel an apology, but wish the hotel would sue him instead.  Give the AH a taste of his own medicine.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Online Maj. Bill Martin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,920
  • Gender: Male
  • I'll make Mincemeat out of 'em"
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2016, 02:34:04 pm »
And as I said on another thread.  HVAC systems are not designed to cool an overtaxed human room of 98.6 degree people when the outside ambient temperature goes above 95.

Trump owes this hotel an apology, but wish the hotel would sue him instead.  Give the AH a taste of his own medicine.

Well, people are 98.6 degrees everywhere, so that really shouldn't enter into the equation. I've been in some places where the HVAC system either malfunctioned or couldn't keep up, and it's always the hotel apologizing, never the guests for complaining.

This hotel is in Roanoke, Va.  It gets hot as hell there sometimes.  I've been to very large events in other very hot places -- Miami, Vegas, etc. -- and they have managed to keep very large rooms cool despite the heat outside.  You can do it if you put enough power/money into the system.

I suspect that what the hotel is more likely upset about is not the possibility that he won't pay -- it's the bad publicity that attendees were hot and uncomfortable in their main ballroom.  That kind of thing matters to convention planners, and that appears to be true.  The hotel did not deny that it was hot/uncomfortable.  It basically admitted that their system was overtaxed, but that's still their responsibility.

« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 02:38:28 pm by Maj. Bill Martin »

Online catfish1957

  • Laken Riley.... Say her Name. And to every past and future democrat voter- Her blood is on your hands too!!!
  • Political Researcher
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2016, 02:50:38 pm »
Well, people are 98.6 degrees everywhere, so that really shouldn't enter into the equation.

Yes it does.  HVAC system (with optimum  design tonnage) evaporator coils only can produce a delta T, of about 20 degrees versus ambient.  Say outside in 98, with nominal humidity, then it should cool any more than 78 inside.  Add the fact you are shoulder to shoulder with 98.6 degree people, it's not going to be cool for most people.

And to the fact those fancy casinos do install over-tonnage....   That's a business decision on their part. 

Again Trump should apologize,but I won't hold my breath.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 02:52:25 pm by catfish1957 »
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Online Maj. Bill Martin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,920
  • Gender: Male
  • I'll make Mincemeat out of 'em"
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2016, 03:09:13 pm »
Yes it does.  HVAC system (with optimum  design tonnage) evaporator coils only can produce a delta T, of about 20 degrees versus ambient...
 
And to the fact those fancy casinos do install over-tonnage....   That's a business decision on their part. 


But that's my point.  The hotel made a business decision not to install more tonnage.  I've been in conferences in Phoenix and Vegas with the ambient well over 100, and I can guarantee you it wasn't in the high 80's inside.  Those places made the choice to over-tonnage so they could pull in major events and keep people cool.  Roanoke didn't, and they got caught with a bunch of very uncomfortable guests when it got particularly hot.

Online catfish1957

  • Laken Riley.... Say her Name. And to every past and future democrat voter- Her blood is on your hands too!!!
  • Political Researcher
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2016, 03:12:42 pm »
But that's my point.  The hotel made a business decision not to install more tonnage.  I've been in conferences in Phoenix and Vegas with the ambient well over 100, and I can guarantee you it wasn't in the high 80's inside.  Those places made the choice to over-tonnage so they could pull in major events and keep people cool.  Roanoke didn't, and they got caught with a bunch of very uncomfortable guests when it got particularly hot.

Roanoke is not a huge business, convention, or tourist destination.  Why would they invest and install something that may be needed once in the lifetime of the HVAC's  useful life.  I wouldn't.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

geronl

  • Guest
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2016, 04:06:12 pm »
[Only] because of Pence, we will vote for Trump.

Pence has flip-flopped on most big issues to Trump-think and he was never good on religious liberty

Online catfish1957

  • Laken Riley.... Say her Name. And to every past and future democrat voter- Her blood is on your hands too!!!
  • Political Researcher
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2016, 04:08:23 pm »
[Only] because of Pence, we will vote for Trump.

I wouldn't vote for Trump even if they cloned RWR as a VP candidate.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline Formerly Once-Ler

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 0
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2016, 04:12:33 pm »
Lol!  Don't know if there are any MadTv fans here, but they mocked Trump incessantly in last nite's new episode.  Both in a game show skit with Hillary and Bill opposing Trump and Melania (where Melania was presented like Trump's trained seal, catching 'treats' in her mouth) and one with a Trump-like resurrected Ned Stark in a satire of Game of Thrones.  It was parody, but it was hard-hittingly funny.

You can watch it here
http://cwtv.com/shows/madtv/episode-one/?play=64c6b044-121d-452e-8336-1902c2192df7

geronl

  • Guest
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2016, 04:16:31 pm »
You can watch it here
http://cwtv.com/shows/madtv/episode-one/?play=64c6b044-121d-452e-8336-1902c2192df7

That's the thing we need to see a lot more of. If the media is incessantly ridiculing his orangeness, maybe he will drop out.

Offline ABX

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 900
  • Words full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2016, 04:16:56 pm »
This is right out of The Art of the Deal.

Find something to complain about to renegotiate the deal. Make the supplier sue you for payment, then negotiate for less.

Online Maj. Bill Martin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,920
  • Gender: Male
  • I'll make Mincemeat out of 'em"
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2016, 04:20:29 pm »
Roanoke is not a huge business, convention, or tourist destination.  Why would they invest and install something that may be needed once in the lifetime of the HVAC's  useful life.  I wouldn't.

In all sincerity, that particular hotel is a very big deal, and bills itself as a major regional conference center.  It is absolutely beautiful.  Stayed there about three years ago, and they advertise the fact that Presidents stay there.  I'd get your point better if this was just a Hilton, Marriot, etc..  But at this hotel, I'm honestly surprised they didn't make that investment.

Seriously, if you're ever in that general area, that hotel is worth a stay.  And not that expensive if there's not a conference there, either.

http://www.hotelroanoke.com/southwest_va_hotel/

geronl

  • Guest
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2016, 04:24:29 pm »
This is right out of The Art of the Deal.

Find something to complain about to renegotiate the deal. Make the supplier sue you for payment, then negotiate for less.

Sure is.

Offline Idaho_Cowboy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,924
  • Gender: Male
  • Ride for the Brand - Joshua 24:15
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2016, 04:30:59 pm »
Wow, if you watched the damn rally, you would know he was not serious! **nononono*
Of course not it was just a 'suggestion' like everthing else Trump says, he can be flexible. Not paying is just a starting point for negotitation.

Proverbs 26:18-19 "As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows, and death, So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?"
“The way I see it, every time a man gets up in the morning he starts his life over. Sure, the bills are there to pay, and the job is there to do, but you don't have to stay in a pattern. You can always start over, saddle a fresh horse and take another trail.” ― Louis L'Amour

Offline Idaho_Cowboy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,924
  • Gender: Male
  • Ride for the Brand - Joshua 24:15
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2016, 04:39:44 pm »
Wow, if you watched the damn rally, you would know he was not serious! **nononono*
Trump was just joking when he said he'd pay these kids for singing: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,217702.0.html
Trump was just joking when he wants to use eminent doman so he can park limosiunes in Naboth's Vineyard. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/265171/donald-trump-and-eminent-domain-robert-verbruggen

These kind of jokes are just Trump's MO. Except he's not joking; it's usually an offer you can't refuse.
“The way I see it, every time a man gets up in the morning he starts his life over. Sure, the bills are there to pay, and the job is there to do, but you don't have to stay in a pattern. You can always start over, saddle a fresh horse and take another trail.” ― Louis L'Amour

Offline Formerly Once-Ler

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 0
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2016, 05:07:11 pm »
Um thanks....but I didn't make it past their prayer to satan.  Oh haha....???
I guess I should have watched it myself first.

Wingnut

  • Guest
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2016, 05:10:28 pm »


Turn Christi loose on the hotel.  He's sneaky little twit.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 05:10:55 pm by Wingnut »

Online catfish1957

  • Laken Riley.... Say her Name. And to every past and future democrat voter- Her blood is on your hands too!!!
  • Political Researcher
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2016, 05:13:06 pm »


Turn Christi loose on the hotel.  He's sneaky little twit.

 :silly:
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

Offline guitar4jesus

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,217
  • Gender: Male
  • Yup...
Re: Hotel fights back after Trump threatens not to pay
« Reply #49 on: July 27, 2016, 05:21:18 pm »


Turn Christi loose on the hotel.  He's sneaky little twit.

That shot sure brings Police Academy to mind....  :whistle: