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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #850 on: July 22, 2016, 02:10:14 pm »
Hitlers are born and die every day without notice. Its the morons who put them in power that are dangerous.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #851 on: July 22, 2016, 02:10:48 pm »
"Fealty" is a word that needs to make a comeback as a reminder of how bad it is.

Fealty is what serfs owed to their lords.

Only, in the New Amerika....the fundamentally transformed version....

the lords would be Hillary or Trump & Co. (representing the mooches, takers and leeches).  And the serfs (taxpayers and producers) would be in servitude to the state...

officially (vs. unofficially as it is now).
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #852 on: July 22, 2016, 02:12:37 pm »
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What this acceptance speech needs: a Republican response.

 :silly:

The republican response came a day before!
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #853 on: July 22, 2016, 02:12:47 pm »
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I'm still in the Trump realist camp too.  Desperately wishing I could find something about Trump to be for, instead of just being against Hillary.  Last night's speech didn't help.  Nothing truly conservative about it.  He's just gonna be "our" big government guy.  Or at least so he says.  Since I trust him about as much as warm roadside food truck sushi, I can't say I have a clue as to what he's really gonna do if/when he gets to DC

Glad to know you are there.  Always thought highly of how you form your opinions.

Looks like 2*31^2, which are the prime factors of Trump ( hat tip @INVAR), has managed to push two members to the Hillary camp from last night's speech--which I may get around to watching at some point.

Very disappointed in Jonah Goldberg ( and similar folks who would not declare FOR a primary candidate) , as he came out for Cruz only after Cruz's convention speech and not when it would have mattered in February or even March.  Ultimately, Jonah was too lost in his brilliant locutions and poignant references to Caligula's Horse.

Hopefully, we can move away from the 'lesser of too evils framework', which implies doing nothing or null ( or the third party equivalent).

There are two spheres left in this election.  The 'Liberty' sphere and the 'government glob' sphere.  At least Trump will apparently allow Pence to run foreign and domestic affairs while he makes 'America Great Again'.  And Pence can influenced by the spirit of Cruz to promote some Liberty and Freedom.

The name of the game is which sphere splinters the least-- we see that The Bern is now down with Hillary-- so the 'Government Glob' sphere is united.  

I remain a 'realist' at this level of analysis-- what the overall governing team will look like, including the Supreme Court.  Also, success begets success and maybe we have a President Pence or Cruz in 2020 or 2024.  Remember, HW Bush was clearly Reagan's third term.

Finally, in the worse case, Trump's authoritarianism could turn out to be more like FDR's.  This is at least a bit less catastrophic than the leader from 2*31^2, which FDR admired 'for making the trains run on time'.





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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #854 on: July 22, 2016, 02:13:23 pm »

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #855 on: July 22, 2016, 02:16:19 pm »
The republican response came a day before!

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #856 on: July 22, 2016, 02:18:06 pm »
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At least Trump will apparently allow Pence to run foreign and domestic affairs

I guess I missed it, but where is this thought coming from? Other than the fact it isn't his Constitutional role nor the role of a VP period (unless he is playing tiebreaker in the Senate). This is a Article 1, Section 8 issue and in the end, the President signs the bills if they are passed.  Did I miss a promise about this arrangement?

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #857 on: July 22, 2016, 02:21:17 pm »
@AbaraXas

"Trump Reality" is the new "pragmatic" that the GOPe has sold for years when they didn't have the courage to take a stand.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #858 on: July 22, 2016, 02:25:38 pm »

Remember when JR banned all the Giuliani supporters at TOS because Giuliani was a liberal?

That's a rather ironic question given that a number of the FRefugees here were part of that gang that supported JR's purge of Giuliani supporters, just as with the Romney purge.  That JR suddenly took to Trump pulled the rug out from under them and so many came here to preach about principles and values and condemn anyone who didn't fall in line with their candidate.  Just as at FR, they depended on the Hitler and Mussolini analogies over and over again, calling supporters of Trump stupid and LIV, among the nicer names.  They started this week ridiculing the convention saying they weren't interested, wouldn't watch it, wouldn't vote for the candidate and hoped the GOP was destroyed in the process.  Yet here you are.

While posting thousands of comments condemning Trump, his family and his supporters, they had the balls to question why the Trump supporters weren't going after Hillary!  :facepalm2:

Time after time they've asked Trump supporters why they don't go over to FR where they would be welcome.  This from a forum that welcomed them openly and without question.  Yet the handful of times a Trump supporter questioned why someone was here, the whining began incessantly about these few members trying to take over the forum.  This is how it was at TOS...pack-dog warfare on anyone who looked at a candidate not vetted by the far right.  So what's left here?

A forum that if any alternate thought is reflected, it must be separated into zones for each idea.  The anti-Trump crowd said they would do everything possible to defeat him in the general election, and some have said that they would rather have Hillary as president.  And yet they call the Trump supporters delusional and stupid.

Nothing succeeds like success, and you have succeeded in transforming this forum into an anti-Republican, anti-Trump website.  A few months ago, the smaller group here making up the forum talked about hoping that one day everyone could shake hands and get back to normal.  I haven't heard those sentiments lately.  And it's not the fault of the ownership or moderators here.  They do the best they can, but what was once considered a personal insult and dealt with, was nothing compared with the outrageous group and personal insults now.  It's now little different from the old "Biker Bar" and LF among other such food fight arenas.

I still hope I'm completely wrong because I continue to believe a viable GOP with all of its factions is the only hope for a conservative government.  I hope that when the Hillary crowning convention begins next week, the bitterness and hostility that has crowded out any reasonable discussion of candidates this week will be turned on the Democrats in full force.  So now, flame away.   :beer:
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #859 on: July 22, 2016, 02:25:46 pm »
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What this acceptance speech needs: a Republican response.

 :silly:

So sad but true....   **nononono*

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #860 on: July 22, 2016, 02:26:02 pm »
Trump isn't interested in an endorsement from Cruz.  What he wants is fealty from the vanquished.

Either Trump has calculated that he doesn't need Cruz's support, or he isn't willing to do what is necessary to earn it.  But either way, Trump and his mob are responsible for the lack of support from the rest of the party.  It's their job to bring the party together by being magnanimous in victory.  They've chosen to be petty and vindictive.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #861 on: July 22, 2016, 02:26:23 pm »
Trump didn't mention any of those things and never got around to "outlining his plan for America" like he promised to do at the beginning of that whatever it was last night!

He also didn't mention God.  I think he believes he IS God on earth.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #862 on: July 22, 2016, 02:31:53 pm »
Conservatives were very, very split between hating the authortarian attitude to acceptance because he isn't Hillary.


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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #863 on: July 22, 2016, 02:35:40 pm »
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I still hope I'm completely wrong because I continue to believe a viable GOP with all of its factions is the only hope for a conservative government.

Still clinging to false idea that there is still a viable GOP!  **nononono*
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #864 on: July 22, 2016, 02:36:04 pm »
Glad to know you are there.  Always thought highly of how you form your opinions.

Looks like 2*31^2, which are the prime factors of Trump ( hat tip @INVAR), has managed to push two members to the Hillary camp from last night's speech--which I may get around to watching at some point.

Very disappointed in Jonah Goldberg ( and similar folks who would not declare FOR a primary candidate) , as he came out for Cruz only after Cruz's convention speech and not when it would have mattered in February or even March.  Ultimately, Jonah was too lost in his brilliant locutions and poignant references to Caligula's Horse.

Hopefully, we can move away from the 'lesser of too evils framework', which implies doing nothing or null ( or the third party equivalent).

There are two spheres left in this election.  The 'Liberty' sphere and the 'government glob' sphere.  At least Trump will apparently allow Pence to run foreign and domestic affairs while he makes 'America Great Again'.  And Pence can influenced by the spirit of Cruz to promote some Liberty and Freedom.

The name of the game is which sphere splinters the least-- we see that The Bern is now down with Hillary-- so the 'Government Glob' sphere is united.  

I remain a 'realist' at this level of analysis-- what the overall governing team will look like, including the Supreme Court.  Also, success begets success and maybe we have a President Pence or Cruz in 2020 or 2024.  Remember, HW Bush was clearly Reagan's third term.

Finally, in the worse case, Trump's authoritarianism could turn out to be more like FDR's.  This is at least a bit less catastrophic than the leader from 2*31^2, which FDR admired 'for making the trains run on time'.





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I understand how you have arrived where you are.  I have not been swayed from the Constitution Party.  I can't believe I'm voting 3rd party, but my feeling with voting republican this year is that we as a country are due some pain, and voting republican is just kicking that can down the road.  I'd rather rip the bandaid off quickly and get it over with.  I know Darrel Castle has no chance of winning, but the best outcome would be stopping the two evils from outright winning.  And I think that is the best I can for my 4 year old.

There's not much I can add to the analysis and observations that most have already made about the speeches.  I really am at a loss for words regarding Ivanka's speech.  Now I understand why she didn't bother to change her party affiliation so she could vote for her father in the NY primary.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #865 on: July 22, 2016, 02:39:12 pm »
Then I had a flashback.


The images of this election are going to scar (scare) me for life........
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #866 on: July 22, 2016, 02:41:00 pm »
The republican response came a day before!

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #867 on: July 22, 2016, 02:41:35 pm »


  At least Trump will apparently allow Pence to run foreign and domestic affairs while he makes 'America Great Again'.  And Pence can influenced by the spirit of Cruz to promote some Liberty and Freedom.







Pence?  Seriously.  The man couldn't run a pair of pantyhose.  Although I bet he's worn a few pair in his life.
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #868 on: July 22, 2016, 02:47:16 pm »
I guess I missed it, but where is this thought coming from? Other than the fact it isn't his Constitutional role nor the role of a VP period (unless he is playing tiebreaker in the Senate). This is a Article 1, Section 8 issue and in the end, the President signs the bills if they are passed.  Did I miss a promise about this arrangement?


I think the "arrangement" was put forth by DT Jr. I shall attempt to source it. I further seem to recall it was in a NYT article.

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #869 on: July 22, 2016, 02:48:17 pm »
Trump was late to his nonsensical speech today- talking about being on the cover of Time magazine and how much money he gave to his campaign. Still bashing the other candidates he beat, saying they didn't treat Bernie right- this is clear evidence of his disorganized mind and narcissism.
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #870 on: July 22, 2016, 02:48:35 pm »
Steve Deace ‏@SteveDeaceShow  11h11 hours ago
#RNCinCLE has Muslim prayer, prosperity heretics, shout out to socialists, and told me "glad you're not for killing gays after all."


Amanda Carpenter ‏@amandacarpenter  12h12 hours ago
So there it is. Ivanka says she is not a Republican and laid out a Democrat policy plan for her father.


Ben Shapiro ‏@benshapiro  11h11 hours ago
Man, if that guy is my voice, I need to tone it the f*** down.


Matt Walsh ‏@MattWalshBlog  11h11 hours ago
My God. Instead of Obama's "yes we can," the crowd is now chanting at Trump, "yes you will." The Founding Fathers weep.


John Podhoretz ‏@jpodhoretz  12h12 hours ago
Ya daaadaadaaa DA ya daadadaaa DA -- the speech cadence

John Podhoretz ‏@jpodhoretz  12h12 hours ago
YA. Da DA! Da DA DA DA! Da.


John Podhoretz ‏@jpodhoretz  12h12 hours ago
Good Lord this is actually happening





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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #871 on: July 22, 2016, 02:49:27 pm »
Pence ask.


Donald Trump Jr. offered Kasich both foreign policy and domestic policy. “What the hell would Trump do?” the aide reportedly asked Trump the younger. “He would make America great again,” Trump Jr. casually replied, according to a story in the Columbus Dispatch.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438203/donald-trump-policy-ceremonial-presidency-2016
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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #872 on: July 22, 2016, 02:50:10 pm »
Pence?  Seriously.  The man couldn't run a pair of pantyhose.  Although I bet he's worn a few pair in his life.


*Sick, clogged-up-with-a-cold loon-like laughter*

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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #873 on: July 22, 2016, 02:53:12 pm »
NYT: Trump’s son told Kasich he’d be all but running the administration if he agreed to be Trump’s VP

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/20/nyt-trumps-son-told-kasich-hed-be-all-but-running-the-administration-if-he-agreed-to-be-trumps-vp/

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When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.


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Re: OPEN LIVE CONVENTION THREAD - THURSDAY, JULY 21
« Reply #874 on: July 22, 2016, 02:55:53 pm »

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Crowd that called Cruz traitor for calling on them to vote their consciences cheers Ivanka wildly for saying she's not bound to party.