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Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
By Michael van der Galien May 8, 2016

 Ah, the leftist orange windbag is showing his true colors:

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I have to stay true to my principles also. And I’m a conservative, but don’t forget, this is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party.'

 If he were a conservative, there would be no need for Trump to say that it's the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party.  Nor would he say that conservatives wouldn't unite behind him if he stayed true to his "principles," whatever those may be.
 
 In other words, in one and the same sentence Trump calls himself a conservative, after which he makes clear he is not.
 
 But wait, it gets even worse. Trump actually admits that his principles are more in line with those of socialist Bernie Sanders than with those of, say, Ted Cruz:

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“Does the party have to be together, does it have to be unified?” he said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” that will air Sunday. “I’m very different from anybody who’s perhaps ever run for office. I actually don’t think so.”

“I think it would be better if it were unified, I think there would be something good about it, but I don’t actually think it has to be unified," he said.


The presumptive GOP nominee said that he can win without the backing of the full party by drawing Democratic voters, specifically supporters of Bernie Sanders
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In other words, he's counting on the socialist rather than on the conservative vote. Which explains, of course, why he suddenly says he favors increasing the minimum wage and amending the Republican platform with regards to abortion.

What's most striking about all this is that we haven't heard Trump speak about his principles until now. Only now that he has the Republican nomination locked up does he tell people he has principles and that those principles are more in line with those of Bernie Sanders than those of Ted Cruz.

Republican primary voters, what have you done?

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 06:00:50 pm »
May 8th...

Ah yes and this old Agitprop helps defeat the Democrats how?
Trump is for America First.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2016, 06:04:33 pm »
May 8th...

Ah yes and this old Agitprop helps defeat the Democrats how?

Ha, glad you noted the date, because I knew I had heard those exact words from Trump in the past.

I guess there aren't enough threads to pile onto Trump so we might as well exhume the dead horse and continue beating it.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2016, 06:04:46 pm »
He has the same principles that the Clintons have

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2016, 06:07:00 pm »
Ha, glad you noted the date, because I knew I had heard those exact words from Trump in the past.

I guess there aren't enough threads to pile onto Trump so we might as well exhume the dead horse and continue beating it.

So, Trumps own words are "agitprop". I did not realize that Trumps promises and principles came with such short expiration dates

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2016, 06:11:06 pm »


Good ol' Donald. At least he's honest about his true feelings for conservatism.

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2016, 06:22:25 pm »

Ah yes and this old Agitprop helps defeat the Democrats how?

If defeating Democrats was your real goal, you would not have rabidly supported a NYC Liberal Democrat who funded, supported not only the Clintons, but Communist Bill DeBlasio and CAMPAIGNED for him less than 3 years ago.

You people make me laugh at your consistent display of gross stupidity.

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2016, 06:44:20 pm »
If defeating Democrats was your real goal, you would not have rabidly supported a NYC Liberal Democrat who funded, supported not only the Clintons, but Communist Bill DeBlasio and CAMPAIGNED for him less than 3 years ago.

You people make me laugh at your consistent display of gross stupidity.
And you omitted he did more for GOP then Democrats ever including your guy. That falls under false witness to omit material facts.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2016, 06:55:05 pm »
May 8th...

Ah yes and this old Agitprop helps defeat the Democrats how?

Which ultimately goes to prove that Trump doesn't need our vote, and eliminates the need for the arm band and clicky boot tactics.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2016, 07:02:43 pm »
So, Trumps own words are "agitprop". I did not realize that Trumps promises and principles came with such short expiration dates

No, I never said that. Take a moment to actually read what I posted before you rush to disagree with me.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2016, 07:24:51 pm »
And you omitted he did more for GOP then Democrats ever including your guy. That falls under false witness to omit material facts.

As if that somehow absolves your prince from the fact he funded, supported and campaigned for people he praised that are anathema to what your party and Conservatism supposedly stood for.

But since Liberalism is now Trump Conservatism, you can declare that supporting Bill DeBlasio was the most Conservative thing Trump could do.

And then berate, threaten and insult everyone who disagrees with that assessment.  It's what you in your cult of personality do.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2016, 07:50:37 pm »
May 8th...

Ah yes and this old Agitprop helps defeat the Democrats how?

Dated, but still funny.  Trump has principles.  ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2016, 07:57:47 pm »
"I have principles, I bought them from Larry Flynt, at a nice discount I might add." DJT

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2016, 08:05:23 pm »
"I have unshakeable principles. If you don't like them, I have others." - Donald Trump
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, i have others." - Groucho Marx

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2016, 08:10:30 pm »
"I have unshakeable principles. If you don't like them, I have others." - Donald Trump

I thought that was another official Melania quote at first

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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2016, 08:20:52 pm »
Trump/Pence: Principals without Principles.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2016, 08:22:22 pm »
"I have unshakeable principles. If you don't like them, I have others." - Donald Trump

He has GREAT principles.  The BEST principles.  He guarantees you he will have the bestest principles unlike other principles that are not so great and not so good for the American people.  Because HIS principles are YUUUUUGE principles.  Plus HIS principles are not the old, tired and musty principles that the interesting document holds everyone hostage to, because I mean, it's stupid to commit suicide because you are holding onto principles right?

So his principles are the best and what is going to make America great again.  Not the old principles that the people who won't support him have, but the new kind of principles that Democrats and Bernie Sanders supporters can get on board the Trump train with.

And, he will tell you one other thing, he will find MORE principles, so many more principles - UNBELIEVABLE principles that you, well you will just give all your principles away to share in the principles that the Donald is going to give to everyone when he is imperator. 

I mean, who needs 'principles' when your 'word is your bond' right?

Words can change and not tied to old, musty and tired ones that are suicidal.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2016, 05:53:27 pm »


Needed BTTT
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2016, 08:18:56 pm »

Needed BTTT

So which is it?  The Trump supporters claim hes got the backing of a YUGE amount of Conservatives...but King Presumptive himself says he doesn't want us?

Which meme are we supposed to believe today?  :shrug:
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2016, 08:32:41 pm »
My perception of the GOP is that there are two distinct wings of the party.  The Globalist/GOPe wing and the TeaParty/Conservative wing.  The GOPe wing is about 20% and shrinking, the Conservatives are also about 20% and growing.  The disgruntled faction is about 40%.  Trump has clearly tapped into that group.  The remainder tends to be small groups of single issues.

The fact is, money is with the GOPe.  As such, candidates, including Trump, need money to run a campaign.  Thus, they cozy up to the GOPe.  The candidates also need a fired up, crawl through broken glass voters, and thus cozy up to the TeaParty.

The fight withing the GOP is between the Globalists and the Tea Party.  In the GOP convention, rules fight,  Trump aligned with the Globalists.  In many of his stated positions, he also aligns with the globalists.  Now he is saying that he does not need the support of conservatives.

Looks more and more like wolf in sheep's clothing if you ask me.

I have said before and will continue to maintain that I will hold my nose and vote for Trump as long as he continues to support conservative positions. 

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My perception of the GOP is that there are two distinct wings of the party.  The Globalist/GOPe wing and the TeaParty/Conservative wing.  The GOPe wing is about 20% and shrinking, the Conservatives are also about 20% and growing.  The disgruntled faction is about 40%.  Trump has clearly tapped into that group.  The remainder tends to be small groups of single issues.

The fact is, money is with the GOPe.  As such, candidates, including Trump, need money to run a campaign.  Thus, they cozy up to the GOPe.  The candidates also need a fired up, crawl through broken glass voters, and thus cozy up to the TeaParty.

The fight withing the GOP is between the Globalists and the Tea Party.  In the GOP convention, rules fight,  Trump aligned with the Globalists.  In many of his stated positions, he also aligns with the globalists.  Now he is saying that he does not need the support of conservatives.

Looks more and more like wolf in sheep's clothing if you ask me.

I have said before and will continue to maintain that I will hold my nose and vote for Trump as long as he continues to support conservative positions.

He'd have to actually articulate a Conservative principal or position first.

So far he hasn't done that.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 08:39:03 pm »
Neither candidate stands for conservative principles. Kind of a conundrum for actual conservatives. What to do?
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 09:23:07 pm »
Neither candidate stands for conservative principles. Kind of a conundrum for actual conservatives. What to do?

Write one in, or vote third party.

It doesn't matter anymore.

Conservatism and Constitutionalism lost, perhaps for all time given the changing demographics and the generations of public skool educated Socialists of voting age.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 09:40:10 pm »
Ha, glad you noted the date, because I knew I had heard those exact words from Trump in the past.


We heard almost those exact words from Jeb! before that.
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Re: Trump: I Have Principles, Don't Need Conservatives to Support Me
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2016, 10:23:56 pm »
Okay, Trumpsters, here's what I can't figure out for the life of me:

Hillary Clinton supports funding Planned Parenthood and she is the devil.
Trump supports it and his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary supports a ban on "assault weapons" and she is the Devil.
Trump supports one, his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton calls for more gun control, Trump supporters think she is the Devil. 
Trump calls for more gun control  his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton calls for touch back amnesty, Trump supporters call her the devil.
Trump calls for touch back amnesty,  his supporters give him a pass.

Clinton calls for confiscatory taxation on US companies that move their corporate offices over seas, Trump supporters call her the devil.
Trump calls for confiscatory taxation on US companies that move their corporate offices over seas, his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary supports single payer / government health programs, Trump supporters call her the devil.
Trump calls for single payer / socialized medicine,  his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton supports gay marriage and Trump supporters call her the Devil.
Trump supports gay marriage and Trump supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton calls for gender neutral bathrooms, Trump supporters call her the devil.
Trump supports gender neutral bathrooms and his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton refuses to support Israel, Trump supporters call her the devil.
Trump refuses to support Israel, his supporters give him a pass.

Hillary Clinton and Democrat politicians accept bribes from Donald Trump and Trump supporters call them corrupt. 
Trump bribes Hillary Clinton and Democrat politicians,  his supporters give him a pass.

These and many more examples (too numerous to share them all here) are NOT a defense of Hillary.  (In fact, Hillary and her supporters are guilty of the exact same phenomenon.)

Rather they are an example of the PROFOUND double standard with Trump (and Hillary) supporters and a simple question: 

Why on earth do Trump supporters refuse to hold one life long liberal democrat running for office to the same standards they hold another life long liberal democrat running for office?

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