How Trump Folk Talk

[Victoria33]

How Trump Folk Talk
So we writers at National Review, for example, would be “cuckservatives,” led by “William F. Cuckley.”

A lady friend of mine (now deceased due to Pancreatic cancer and I cared for her until she died), said to me at one time, "You are a female William Buckley - I can't understand him either."

From then on, I "tasted" my words before I spoke to her, tried to use simpler words.  We had a country club in our subdivision, which served meals, so we would gather there.  One time, in the club, I said something to a man who knew me and he said, "I don't understand what you just said."  It must have been my William Buckley coming out again.

It is unfortunate Buckley is not here today (even with his big words).  He had a following of millions and was the "word" of conservatives.  I have read what he said about Trump years ago and he was right.  Here is what he said:

"When he (Trump) looks at a glass, he is mesmerized by its reflection. If Donald Trump were shaped a little differently, he would compete for Miss America. But whatever the depths of self-enchantment, the demagogue has to say something.  So what does Trump say?  That he is a successful businessman and that that is what America needs in the Oval Office. There is some plausibility in this, though not much. The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line."

Buckley saw Trump for what he was and still is.
@CatherineofAragon 

[TomSea]

3 days ago; but I'm not willing to go there and published in the Federalist.

Why William F. Buckley Would Vote For Hillary Clinton
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/15/why-william-f-buckley-would-vote-for-hillary-clinton/

[Cripplecreek]

@Victoria33

Some businessmen have been fine presidents but some career politicians have also gone on to become great presidents. Calvin Coolidge is a great example of a career politician who became a great president and about as opposite of Donald Trump as could be.

[Mod1]

And what's this suppose to mean? Just a clever way to name call or what?

I won't break forum rules to the best of my ability. Others can make their own choices!

Touche!

What might violate forum rules is an express - not implied - personal attack. So while the referenced post didn't break the rules, the moderators certainly hope all posters follow your example of self-control and good judgment! Thank you.

[musiclady]

I have been guilty of saying that when McCain and Romney were running. I advocated the hold your nose, lesser of two evils approach then.  I have finally come to my senses and see this all with a different view. Back in 91 Louisiana Govenors race my choices were David Duke (R) and Edwin Edwards (D).  At the time, I voted Edwards because I didn't want to support Duke in any way, shape or form. I still, to this day, feel sick about voting for Edwards. I do not want any more of that  on my conscience. I could justify McCain and Romney, just barely.  I cannot perform the mental gymnastics it would take to justify voting for Trump. He gives me the same sick feeling Edwards gave me. I'm not loading that monkey on my back.

I said the same thing about McCain and Romney vs. Obama, and I meant it then.  There were things in both McCain and Romney that justified a conservative's voting for them relative to Obama.

But you are right about Trump.  No mental gymnastics justifies a conservative's voting for a total liberal.

I too, could not deal with the guilt I would carry with me the rest of my life if I supported a dangerous, liberal candidate like Trump.

[Wingnut]

What might violate forum rules is an express - not implied - personal attack. So while the referenced post didn't break the rules, the moderators certainly hope all posters follow your example of self-control and good judgment! Thank you.

Self control and good judgement is highly over rated.

I'm bouncing off the rev-limiter of life.  I am the man in the tag team match with the powers of darkness!
Yes Fellow strugglers, it has been a troubled week for Wingnut, I was almost pinned to the mat of despair.
But I rose to struggle against the very management of this place, and yes.. they saw the wisdom of my ways. Although they cater to the heathenous, hateful abomination known to us as the of the Orange baboon.... I will not speak out against them...or the Mods. Though they threatened me and tried to cast me out, my lips are sealed. Yes sealed!
Nor will I urge you to inundate management with emails and PM's condemning their actions towards me, no sir, that is not my way.  For if you are good and true, you will write those without my asking, an CC me on them. And when you do, you might inquire about my Dead Sea Scrolls steak knives sets and The World is Comin' to an End Lawn Furniture...I got a whole warehouse of that stuff!

Thank you for your time...

[musiclady]

I didn't vote for Trump, I never have in any online poll or in the primary. Never voted that he won any of the debatets. 

So, if you are calling me the name of "Trump folk", no I am Conservative folk, I have voted for every Republican candidate since 1984 folk.  I'm party unity folk.

The big problem, Tom, is that this time, if you're voting for the Republican party, you, in fact, are voting for a Democrat (i.e. a member of the wrong party).

That's why, with a card carrying liberal Democrat at the top of the ticket, there can be no party unity this time.

There is nothing in Donald Trump that should cause any conservative to vote for him.  He's all bad.  Through and through.  Every issue.

[GrouchoTex]

I read the article earlier this morning then read one by someone supporting black lives matter and was struck by how similar Trumpers and the BLMs are. The Trumpers blame the "rich elitists" and the BLMs blame rich white folks for taking or blocking the wealth and power from them.

I can say that I read the article, and I have been accused by Trump supporters of being everyone of those things, Globalist, GOPe, Rino, Elitist, Open Borders, closet Democrat, Hillary supporter, etc.
All I ever had to do was point out a Trump flip-flop, and the world would come crashing down upon me.
BTW, pointing out any candidates flip-flops, from either party, does not make one, any or all of the above.

I think the victimology angle is really at the core of this.
They get angry easily, because there are some that truly believe this man is going to solve all of their problems, and you and I are trying to take him away from them.

Why we couldn't simply agree or disagree on a candidates positions, or the sincerity of those, is beyond me.
Our party is now the party of victims needing a savior?
I never thought I'd see that day.

[musiclady]

I can say that I read the article, and I have been accused by Trump supporters of being everyone of those things, Globalist, GOPe, Rino, Elitist, Open Borders, closet Democrat, Hillary supporter, etc.
All I ever had to do was point out a Trump flip-flop, and the world would come crashing down upon me.
BTW, pointing out any candidates flip-flops, from either party, does not make one, any or all of the above.

I think the victimology angle is really at the core of this.
They get angry easily, because there are some that truly believe this man is going to solve all of their problems, and you and I are trying to take him away from them.

Why we couldn't simply agree or disagree on a candidates positions, or the sincerity of those, is beyond me.
Our party is now the party of victims needing a savior?
I never thought I'd see that day.

That day has come.

And it's because our party now has a liberal Democrat at the top of the ticket.

It's not what WE do.  It's what THEY do.

And Trump is one of THEM.

[EC]

And what's this suppose to mean? Just a clever way to name call or what?

I won't break forum rules to the best of my ability. Others can make their own choices!

Touche!

A touch, indeed. 

Get used to seeing it though, whenever someone decides to play "attack the messenger" with no additional thought expressed. That's one particular method of diverting discussion I'm quite simply sick of.

[GtHawk]

"“The primary is over!” I hear this from Trump folk increasingly. What they mean is, “Shut up. No more criticism of Trump. The Right has spoken. The Right has selected its presidential nominee. Shut up and get on board.”

This is not very American. Also, I think of a response from an American general: “Nuts.” Nobody is obligated to surrender his conscience. On the contrary."

Actually an awful lot of democrats spoke in the nomination of Trump, knowing they were safe to cross over in primaries because hitlary was the guaranteed dem candidate. Of course when the Trump folks rave about the percentage of votes Trump got in a crowded field they conveniently leave the dem factor out.

[roamer_1]

I have been guilty of saying that when McCain and Romney were running. I advocated the hold your nose, lesser of two evils approach then. 

Yep, me too - I just got wise a few years earlier... I didn't trust Dubya... I voted for him, but I really didn't want to. And his second term, again, I voted for him, but only because of the war. He's the last Republican presidential candidate that I did vote for.

I pulled for a straight Republican ticket until then... and by 2007, over Hunter being railroaded out of the primary, I quit the Republican party. That was 27 YEARS too late, and in all that time, the only vote that satisfied me was literally my very first, which was for Ronald W. Reagan.

He gives me the same sick feeling Edwards gave me. I'm not loading that monkey on my back.

Believe me, I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Thanks for the reply.

[Cripplecreek]

I pulled for a straight Republican ticket until then... and by 2007, over Hunter being railroaded out of the primary, I quit the Republican party.

Sad that a lot of the people who laughed at us for supporting Hunter are now supporting Trump. In a lot of ways, Hunter was Trump without the need for heavy doses of Haldol.

Hunter had a history of supporting border control and actually got some solid border fencing built.



He did support very limited tariffs on specific products and bringing certain jobs back as a national security issue. Unfortunately some folks prefer a screaming moron who tells them what they want to hear at any given moment.

[XenaLee]

When you get lemons, make lemonade. That's all one can do

What's NRO's purpose? Are they trying to sway the convention to nominate someone else?

Other than that, which is unlikely, are they! meaning NRO in the bag for Hillary?

Neo-Nazis supporting Trump? What is it? .01% of his support? What do they think they are accomplishing. A lot of felons probably vote for the democrats, people who have criminal records, even for violent crimes. What's the point of this?

The point.....which obviously whooshes right over your head....is truth.  It's something that you and other Trump supporters have lost sight of.  Hell, that's not even accurate.  You guys can't get next to the truth....and couldn't...

even if your lives depended on it.

And it may very well.

[HonestJohn]

I pointed out the Herr Drumpf's goons predilection for white nationalist 'alt-right' terminology like 'cuck' some of my first posts here.  You can see what sort of sources his boys like to use, too.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,191258.msg763653.html#msg763653

[roamer_1]

Unfortunately some folks prefer a screaming moron who tells them what they want to hear at any given moment.

Yep. Hunter was the real thing - Probably more so than Cruz.

Sad that there are so few in a lifetime.

[Henry Noel]

National Review falling for Godwin's law. Weak.

This was Bill Buckley's publication?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Nordlinger

Speechwriter for George W. Bush. That says a lot.

Godwin's Law is the lamest sort of argumentation I can think of.

[TomSea]

Godwin's Law is the lamest sort of argumentation I can think of.

Thanks, your response has so much substance as well.  You are an expert at one-liners.

[TomSea]

I pointed out the Herr Drumpf's goons predilection for white nationalist 'alt-right' terminology like 'cuck' some of my first posts here.  You can see what sort of sources his boys like to use, too.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,191258.msg763653.html#msg763653

Are Jamiel Shaw's father, Sheriff David Clarke and Darryl Glenn those white nationalists we are being told about all the time?? 

[TomSea]

The point.....which obviously whooshes right over your head....is truth.  It's something that you and other Trump supporters have lost sight of.  Hell, that's not even accurate.  You guys can't get next to the truth....and couldn't...

even if your lives depended on it.

And it may very well.

Ad homs for DT supporters!   

Quit the caricature; you don't know me. You accuse me of being a Trump supporter, I hope that is understood and doesn't whoosh by your head.

I have voted for every Republican candidate, save maybe one time. I'm not even sure about '88 since it was a blow out.

I know those who put down Romney helped elect Obama; I don't play the sour grapes game.

Maybe you don't know the truth,

Secured borders, yeah, DT wants it. If that is not the truth, please come down off your high horse and we will discuss it.

Trump supporting Police, that's pretty clear. If that is not the truth, ditto above.

Trump against Terrorism, yes, once again.

Trump against Sanctuary Cities; yes, he is.

If these are not truths, please refute.

Really like to see if the same complainers of today were the same complainers about Romney because one has to say, those types helped give us the Trump today.

If one pursues their perfect candidate, Constitution Party or whatever, I totally respect that. There is no reason to attack party unity though.

[Henry Noel]

Thanks, your response has so much substance as well.  You are an expert at one-liners.

Godwin's Law is a means of shutting people up when the argumentation gets a bit too much for one side or the other. Employed by those who would never dream of applying the same sort of law to Stalin.

[TomSea]

Now wait a minute, although we are told things like Trump is a lifelong democrat or Trump is not a conservative, they say he is a liberal.

Okay, I respect people's opinions and not slighting them where I can.

As I've said, I largely vote straight-ticket Republican, always have, probably always will. If one wants to say that's a problem, maybe it is.

But look at Trump detractors, not here but in the news.

Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, many people would call them moderates. I'm sure we can come up with more examples.

Who is supporting Trump?

Are these liberals too?

Senator Jeff Sessions? Pat Buchanan? Ted Cruz, yes, before those two got nasty against each other, Cruz had a very amiable relationship with Trump. I think Cruz would even say his and Trump's views were similar. They appeared at that rally in Washington DC together. They certainly were allies for a spell. More supporters of Trump, I think Rick Santorum, Mike Huckbee, Newt Gringrich have all shown support of Trump.

And we won't even go into the radio talk heads, some people have never liked say Hannity and I hear people say things, "well, I liked Rush until he supported Trump" and even that is a bit questionable.

So, then, we are dissing the above, one may not like them all, Huckabee comes under criticism but I'm fairly lenient with folks at that.

And speaking of radio talk shows, about the only one I've listened to faithfully recently or at least besides Rush, is Michael Medved. Medved is a bit anti-Trumper at that.

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Senator Tom Cotton too.

All we can say for Cruz is, maybe he had good relations with Trump for so long for other reasons. Still, they certainly appeared at that rally and I'm sure we can find other things too.

Of course, I like listening to Larry Elder but just haven't always had the chance too.