False History Report

[sneakypete]

Willie Geist was reporting on NBC's "The Toady Show" this morning on the death of the commander of the Tuskegee Airmen,and listing his many accomplishments. Things went fine until this buffoon announced that Roscoe Brown (the commander) was the "First American pilot to shoot down a Nazi aircraft in WW-2"!

Roscoe Brown didn't even graduate from flight school in Alabama until the 12th of March 1944,and we went to war with the Nazi's in Dec of 1941.

Does that ignorant fool actually think it took us 3  years to shoot down a Nazi airplane? Or does he know he is lying and taking credit away from a white pilot and giving to a black pilot in order to be PC and please his bosses?

The sad part is there are now a huge group of ignorant semi-educated fools running around who will hear this nonsense on teebee,and believe it to be true BECAUSE they heard it on teebee from NBC news.

BTW,another popular myth in the media is that there was NOT one ONE SINGLE BOMBER shot down by the Nazi's that were escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen. Granted,most of the Nazi fighters had already been shot down and all of their top pilots killed before the Tuskegee Airmen entered the war,but it is still BullBush.

ACTUAL history reports the first US Army Air Force bombing raid on occupied Europe happened on 17 Aug 1942. It's a wonder any survived if we are to believe our white pilots were so incompetent it took them two years to shoot down the first Nazi fighter attacking a bombing formation.

http://ww2today.com/17th-august-1942-the-usaaf-makes-its-first-raid-on-occupied-europe

BTW,"False News Reports" might be a good "stand alone" folder so people seeing false news reports by the mainstream media and create their own stand-alone threads for us all to easily see and visit?

What say you,MODS?

@mystery-ak

[don-o]

I like the idea. It might be a busy category.

I think it would be important to sticky some definitions on exactly what you are looking for in such a category.

Are you talking about specific historical deformation or general reporting malfeasance whenever it is detected?

[mystery-ak]

I like the idea. It might be a busy category.

I think it would be important to sticky some definitions on exactly what you are looking for in such a category.

Are you talking about specific historical deformation or general reporting malfeasance whenever it is detected?

I don't know...look at all the sub-categories people wanted and no one posts on them.....someone better convince me on this one.

[sinkspur]

I don't know...look at all the sub-categories people wanted and no one posts on them.....someone better convince me on this one.

Exactly.  No better way to kill a thread than put it in a sub-category.

[massadvj]

Almost all news reports on MSM are false.

[don-o]

I don't know...look at all the sub-categories people wanted and no one posts on them.....someone better convince me on this one.

Of  course, I am new here; but is it possible that we have too many categories already? What is the expected benefit of having so many?

[don-o]

Almost all news reports on MSM are false.

Agreed. Hence my suggestion that some concise definitions be made for subject matter to be discussed - beyond just a Category title.

[thackney]

I don't know...look at all the sub-categories people wanted and no one posts on them.....someone better convince me on this one.

Sorry if this becomes a thread hijack but the multitude of categories is already problem on this forum.

It would be far better to have keywords to find threads of a topic than to "hide" them in separate categories.

my 2¢

[goatprairie]

Willie Geist was reporting on NBC's "The Toady Show" this morning on the death of the commander of the Tuskegee Airmen,and listing his many accomplishments. Things went fine until this buffoon announced that Roscoe Brown (the commander) was the "First American pilot to shoot down a Nazi aircraft in WW-2"!

Roscoe Brown didn't even graduate from flight school in Alabama until the 12th of March 1944,and we went to war with the Nazi's in Dec of 1941.

Does that ignorant fool actually think it took us 3  years to shoot down a Nazi airplane? Or does he know he is lying and taking credit away from a white pilot and giving to a black pilot in order to be PC and please his bosses?

The sad part is there are now a huge group of ignorant semi-educated fools running around who will hear this nonsense on teebee,and believe it to be true BECAUSE they heard it on teebee from NBC news.

BTW,another popular myth in the media is that there was one ONE SINGLE BOMBER shot down by the Nazi's that were escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen. Granted,most of the Nazi fighters had already been shot down and all of their top pilots killed before the Tuskegee Airmen entered the war,but it is still BullBush.

ACTUAL history reports the first US Army Air Force bombing raid on occupied Europe happened on 17 Aug 1942. It's a wonder any survived if we are to believe our white pilots were so incompetent it took them two years to shoot down the first Nazi fighter attacking a bombing formation.

http://ww2today.com/17th-august-1942-the-usaaf-makes-its-first-raid-on-occupied-europe

BTW,"False News Reports" might be a good "stand alone" folder so people seeing false news reports by the mainstream media and create their own stand-alone threads for us all to easily see and visit?

What say you,MODS?

@mystery-ak

Yeah, I went to source and played the video. Geist must be the dumbest "journalist" in the country if he believes that. But since he's a liberal (I assume), that puts him in good company with all liberal journalists where being a liar or just plain ignorant is one of the qualifications to write for or be in a lib news medium.

[sneakypete]

I like the idea. It might be a busy category.

I think it would be important to sticky some definitions on exactly what you are looking for in such a category.

Are you talking about specific historical deformation or general reporting malfeasance whenever it is detected?

@mystery-ak

Why not both?

I think what is needed is a stand-alone category for false news reports,and then sub-folders to break them down by categories,such as "political lies,historical lies,foreign press lies,print reporter lies,tv news lies,etc,etc,etc.

People could even go back into history and report on historical lies used to push the citizens of this or any other country towards war,isolationism,etc,etc,etc. In fact,now that I think about it,Historical Lies would almost have to be a major sub-folder.

I think we need the top folder and all the sub folders "flowing" from that one in order to make them easier to find and ping people to.

I am personally REALLY looking forward to some of the stuff posted in a "historical news lies" sub-folder because there were some truly epic lies promoted by governments all over and printed by compliant newspapers back in the day when print media was all their was,and they could get by with telling any whopper they wanted. That should result in threads that are both amusing and stunning.

[don-o]

Sorry if this becomes a thread hijack but the multitude of categories is already problem on this forum.

It would be far better to have keywords to find threads of a topic than to "hide" them in separate categories.

my 2¢

I don't consider the discussion a hijack. @sneakypete threw it to the MODS, but since he put it on the board, I think kicking around ideas is on topic.

Keywords have never been useful for me. I browse thread titles. Tell me what a robust system utilizing keywords would look like.

I know how FR uses them. Never held any attraction for me.

[sneakypete]

Exactly.  No better way to kill a thread than put it in a sub-category.

@mystery-ak
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Which is why I am asking for a "Mother" folder with a title like "Historical News Lies" to provide a focus point,and then sub folders for specific areas of interest. The "Mother"' folder HAS t be a major category listed on the first "Topics" page so it doesn't get lost,though.

[sneakypete]

I don't consider the discussion a hijack. @sneakypete threw it to the MODS, but since he put it on the board, I think kicking around ideas is on topic.

I agree.Those of us interested in this need to discuss and refine this so it will be successful.

BTW,I STILL think the one thing this board needs more than anything else are ping lists people can subscribe to so they are notfied when they sign on that new posts of interest to them have been posted.

IMNSHO,Ping Lists are the greatest idea to ever hit the internet.

[don-o]

Why not both?

One question that goes to my previous suggestion regarding defined parameters .....

Would you be including UFO and 9/11 truther "truth"?

iow, to quote that infamous hand washer, "What is truth?"

[ABX]

The Tuskegee airmen were so accomplished, there is no reason the media needed to lie about what they did.
http://www.history.com/news/the-tuskegee-airmen-5-fascinating-facts


Also:
War accomplishments
Office of War Information poster

In all, 992 pilots were trained in Tuskegee from 1941 to 1946. 355 were deployed overseas, and 84 lost their lives in accidents or combat.[37][57] The toll included 68 pilots killed in action or accidents, 12 killed in training and non-combat missions[58] and 32 captured as prisoners of war.[59][60] The Tuskegee Airmen were credited by higher commands with the following accomplishments:

    1578 combat missions, 1267 for the Twelfth Air Force; 311 for the Fifteenth Air Force
    179 bomber escort missions,[38] with a good record of protection,[59] losing bombers on only seven missions and a total of only 27, compared to an average of 46 among other 15th Air Force P-51 groups[61]
    112 enemy aircraft destroyed in the air, another 150 on the ground[38] and 148 damaged
    950 rail cars, trucks and other motor vehicles destroyed (over 600 rail cars[38])
    One destroyer put out of action. The ship concerned had been classified as a destroyer (Giuseppe Missori) by the Italian Navy, before being reclassified by the Germans as a torpedo boat, TA 22. It was attacked on 25 June 1944. The German Navy decommissioned it on 8 November 1944, and finally scuttled it on 5 February 1945.[35][62][63]
    40 boats and barges destroyed[38]

Awards and decorations included:

    Three Distinguished Unit Citations
        99th Pursuit Squadron: 30 May–11 June 1943 for actions over Sicily
        99th Fighter Squadron: 12–14 May 1944: for successful air strikes against Monte Cassino, Italy
        332d Fighter Group (and its 99th, 100th, and 301st Fighter Squadrons): 24 March 1945: for a bomber escort mission to Berlin, during which pilots of the 100th FS shot down three enemy ME-262 jets. The 302nd Fighter Squadron did not receive this award as it had been disbanded on 6 March 1945.
    At least one Silver Star
    96 Distinguished Flying Crosses to 95 Airmen; Captain William A. Campbell was awarded two.[64][65]
    14 Bronze Stars
    744 Air Medals
    8 Purple Hearts[59][66]

[ABX]

One question that goes to my previous suggestion regarding defined parameters .....

Would you be including UFO and 9/11 truther "truth"?

iow, to quote that infamous hand washer, "What is truth?"

Let's not go down that pit.

[ABX]

It seems there is a common misconception about the airmen. They are falsely credited with shooting down the first Nazi Jet (not the first Nazi plane shot down). The TA's own historical website however, corrects this misconception and gives proper credit for all of the airmen who shot down Nazi jets.

http://tuskegeeairmen.org/wp-content/uploads/Misconceptions-About-the-Tuskegee-Airmen.pdf

[sneakypete]

One question that goes to my previous suggestion regarding defined parameters .....

Would you be including UFO and 9/11 truther "truth"?

iow, to quote that infamous hand washer, "What is truth?"

If it were left up to me,I wouldn't allow those articles to be posted there. They ain't news reports,they are speculation.

What I am focusing on is ACTUAL news reports by ACTUAL NEWS SERVICES,both print and broadcast media that are made by the people and networks that are SUPPOSED to be informing us of truthful news events.

There is nothing preventing the conspiracy fans from creating a "conpsiracy/government coverup" mother thread and posting their suspicions there.

[thackney]

Keywords have never been useful for me. I browse thread titles. Tell me what a robust system utilizing keywords would look like.

I know how FR uses them. Never held any attraction for me.

I find keywords, hashtags, etc far more useful, mostly because many articles have multiple categories they can be put in.

When at FR, the keyword "energy" could be added to any thread discussing energy.  Whenever I wanted to browse that topic, I could find any thread on it, even if it wasn't tagged by the original poster.  Then more specific keywords such as "oil", "solar" etc could be added for those specifics.

It made it far easier to search to go back to find a specific thread discussed in the past.

I've found just embedding "#energy" into a thread here in any post makes it searchable to find already.  If an individual's favorite searches could be saved, this feature could be even easier to use.

I find here at GOPBR, I don't go through many of the categories at all, I don't see many threads because of the overwhelming number of categories and subcategories.

[skeeter]

The Tuskegee airmen were so accomplished, there is no reason the media needed to lie about what they did.
http://www.history.com/news/the-tuskegee-airmen-5-fascinating-facts

They've done the same thing with Doris Miller - he received the Navy Cross for simply & ineffectively manning a machine gun on 12/7/41. Back at the time the NAACP lobbied Roosevelt to have him awarded the CMH. He's been depicted in movie shooting Japanese out of the sky ever since.

Very few know he actually died in action on the USS Liscome Bay two years later, something he actually should've been honored for.

[mystery-ak]

I'll tell you what sneaky...let's test this out to see how interested members are before I make a new category.

Post your articles started with (False Reporting) in History..if they are popular I will consider a new category.

BTW..the forum does look messy and it looks like it needs some organization....

....sneaky we do have pings....it's in your Profile Info under Mentions......I would love to have a front page button for it though!
@sneakypete

[sneakypete]

They've done the same thing with Doris Miller - he received the Navy Cross for simply & ineffectively manning a machine gun on 12/7/41. Back at the time the NAACP lobbied Roosevelt to have him awarded the CMH. He's been depicted in movie shooting Japanese out of the sky ever since.

Very few know he actually died in action on the USS Liscome Bay two years later, something he actually should've been honored for.

Yup. As for him being ineffective while manning the machine gun goes,it doesn't matter at all. He had never been trained to operate machine guns. What is important is that he was there DOING it because it needed to be done and because he was there. I will even go a step further and maintain it takes a level of courage a step higher to put yourself in a position like that when you don't have the slightest idea about how to do it properly. My hat is,and will always be,off to him for that one.

The one thing that has pissed me off almost as much as the demeaning  AA Medal of Honor the black racists want to give him is the fact that by definition it makes the Navy Cross out to be a no big deal award. Nothing could be further from the truth. A Navy Cross is a very big deal,indeed. Many/most people who read about this in the media have never served,so they don't know this. The black racists are not only demeaning Miller and his actions,they are also demeaning the Navy Cross and everyone who has ever earned one at the same time.

It was and is still a VERY big deal when you consider it was awarded to an enlisted man. The Navy is a very "organized command" branch of the service due to serving on ships under the direct command of a senior officer. Because of this the "big" medals almost always go to the senior officers on the ship for being in command at the time. For someone that is an enlisted man assigned to work in the ships mess to get a Navy Cross was a spectacular event. Hell,he may be the ONLY messman in the entire history of the Navy that got a valor award. (G)

And he earned it and his skin color had not one single thing to do with it.

BTW,I have a inlaw that earned a SS and a Purple Heart as a E-3 in the Navy during the attack on Pearl Harbor,and he was also manning a machine gun at the time. I have no idea what his rating/job description was,though.

UPDATE! I just remembered,my inlaw was a 17 year old electricians mate. I know this because he started a business as a electrician when he got out of the Navy. He died in 1956 from cancer.

[sneakypete]

I'll tell you what sneaky...let's test this out to see how interested members are before I make a new category.

Post your articles started with (False Reporting) in History..if they are popular I will consider a new category.<<

Ok,I'll give it a try,but some of the people most interested in threads like this have already visited and posted on this one,so they might not show up there.

BTW,are you sure History is a better fit for news reports happening right now,or would news be better? I think I will post it to both and see what happens.



....sneaky we do have pings....<<

No,you don't. What you have are individual notifications,not a mass notification for anyone interested enough in that subject to have signed up for a ping list.  You may think that is a minor difference because you have never posted on a board that had ping lists,but trust me on this one,there is a massive difference and actual ping lists will easily draw 10 times as many hits.
@sneakypete

[don-o]

I think I have seen a friends list. Anyone share on what that does?

[sneakypete]

I think I have seen a friends list. Anyone share on what that does?

It pings people you know as individuals that might be interested in a thread you posted or are posting on.


What it DOESN'T do is notify people you DON'T KNOW or whose screen names you can't remember that there is a thread that will be of interest to them.