Antique SKS rifle used by Dallas Killer (not AR15)

[Mechanicos]

Antique SKS rifle used by Dallas Killer

Initial reports from Dallas described multiple snipers with AR-15s #weaponsofwar.  The ongoing propaganda theme among the tabloids is that the AR-15 has become the weapon of choice for terrorists and mass shooters.  It turns out that the terrorist in Dallas question used an antique, the SKS, (according to CBS News) but the facts never keep the press from a good propaganda theme.

The SKS was designed in the 40’s in Russia.  It is such a basic rifle that it is legal in California with no modification.  With its fixed ten round magazine, the SKS is everything that the gun haters in California say a rifle must be.  It is not black, no pistol grip, no flash hider or folding stock.  It even shoots a intermediate power cartridge, 7.63 X 39.  It is used as a cheap hunting gun across the US. I am sure that at this moment, some law maker in California is writing new legislation to close the mad man with an antique rifle loophole.




https://thearmsguide.com/8805/sks-used-dallas-killer/

This is in Politics because the Left made the firearm a political issue in their ongoing attempt to ban AR 15's AND it shows how none of the California Liberal gun control laws would have had any deterrence effect with this firearm.

[NavyCanDo]

Why am I not shocked the news media and politicians went with a knee-jerk reaction?    I said on an earlier thread that the AR-15 style of weapon is not the best choice for a "sniper", and that a large caliber hunting rifle (a lot less expensive that most ARs)  was more accurate at distance and more deadly. Look at the Texas Towers shooter who in 1966 killed 14 people. He used a Remington 700 6mm bolt-action hunting rifle, and a 12-gauge shotgun, a Remington 700 6mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35 caliber pump rifle, a .30 caliber carbine M1, a 9mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol and a Smith & Wesson

[ABX]

Initial reports from Dallas described multiple snipers with AR-15s #weaponsofwar.  The ongoing propaganda theme among the tabloids is that the AR-15 has become the weapon of choice for terrorists and mass shooters.  It may turn out that the terrorist in Dallas question used an antique, the SKS, (according to CBS News) but the facts never keep the press from a good propaganda theme.......



https://thearmsguide.com/8805/sks-used-dallas-killer/

[NavyCanDo]

Very interesting if this can be verified. But the media will just bury it, leaving the assumption that it was an AR.

While watching the coverage of the event, I thought  that it sounded more like my AK47 or a .308  than an AR15.  I was close.

[kjam22]

Antique SKS rifle used by Dallas Killer

Initial reports from Dallas described multiple snipers with AR-15s #weaponsofwar.  The ongoing propaganda theme among the tabloids is that the AR-15 has become the weapon of choice for terrorists and mass shooters.  It turns out that the terrorist in Dallas question used an antique, the SKS, (according to CBS News) but the facts never keep the press from a good propaganda theme.

The SKS was designed in the 40’s in Russia.  It is such a basic rifle that it is legal in California with no modification.  With its fixed ten round magazine, the SKS is everything that the gun haters in California say a rifle must be.  It is not black, no pistol grip, no flash hider or folding stock.  It even shoots a intermediate power cartridge, 7.63 X 39.  It is used as a cheap hunting gun across the US. I am sure that at this moment, some law maker in California is writing new legislation to close the mad man with an antique rifle loophole.



The reason the anti-gun forces hate the AR is its popularity, there are between 4 and 8 million of them legally owned in the United States. It is widely owned by civilians and thus available to terrorists, the mentally ill and criminals.

There have been several recent shootings and some not so recent shootings using “Assault Style Weapons”.  Tabloid journalism loves writing about “Assault Style Weapons” and the 1996 Assault Weapons Ban.  This term truthfully reveals the problem, these guns don’t function like assault weapons, but they have a style similar to military weapons.  They look much more dangerous than large caliber hunting rifles which are actually more powerful.

The term “assault rifle” was a propaganda term coined by Hitler himself to describe the Nazi’s then new machine gun which fired a small low recoil round allowing soldiers to control full auto fire. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership in the United States since 1934. The SKS was never full auto, thus never an assault rifle.

In recent terror attacks in France, the murders used the AK-47, a real assault rifle fashioned after Hitler’s original model.  Since fire arms ownership is highly restricted in Europe, the terrorists illegally bought machine guns on the world market and smuggled them into France. The AK-47 is the most widely spread weapon in the world, with 100 million Kalashnikov rifles currently in use. According to Oxford University economist Phillip Killicoat, the average global price of the assault rifle was estimated at $534 in 2005. 

The state of California has over a dozen overlapping ‘assault weapons’ laws creating a situation where the only people who know the laws are the poor citizens trying to obey them.  Calguns.org has made a flow chart to help the law abiding keep track. The San Bernadino murders used AR type rifles purchased in California, the state with the most ridiculous restrictions in the United States.  The murders illegally modified their guns in violation of California gun laws, then killed people which also violates California law. The California legislature has drafted a dozen new ineffective laws which will make most rifles in the state illegal.  These new laws will be no more effective than the current laws broken by the San Bernadino murders. The Dallas killer could have purchased an SKS in California with a ten day wait.

Before the 1996 Assault Weapons Ban, modern sporting rifles were not as common. The SKS was not effected by this ban and became even more popular.  The ban had the perverse effect of raising awareness of these versatile firearms. The constant assault on the rights of common citizens attempting to protect themselves and their families by politicians protected by armed guards has generated great interest in modern sporting rifles. The common use of rifles by law enforcement on American streets has also helped their acceptance.

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In another significant mass killing, between April and July 1994, members of the Hutu ethnic majority in Rwanda murdered 800,000 people, mostly of the Tutsi minority, using machetes.  If the Tutsi’s had had a few SKS rifles things would have been different. The Hutu were not slowed by legal restrictions of firearms ownership or murder.

I grow weary of the predictable distortions and lies which come after each murder that fits the narrative.  Black lives in Chicago are lost in much higher numbers than all mass shootings nation wide, but they don’t rate tabloid ink because they don’t fit the assault rifle narrative. Let’s deal with reality and human behavior.  Attempts to restrict technology have never worked. New 3D printing technology is on the verge of making all gun control obsolete because anyone with internet access and a 3D printer can become a gun manufacturer.
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https://thearmsguide.com/8805/sks-used-dallas-killer/

This is in Politics because the Left made the firearm a political issue in their ongoing attempt to ban AR 15's AND it shows how none of the California Liberal gun control laws would have had any deterrence effect with this firearm.

Just a point of clarification.... the SKS does not have to have a fixed 10 round magazine.   

[NavyCanDo]

Just a point of clarification.... the SKS does not have to have a fixed 10 round magazine.

You can get drum magazines for them, but there is no evidence of that happening in this event.   My best friend who's hobby is buying and shooting antique WWII guns has an SKS, which I have shot.    As antiquated as it is, it is far more suited for a "sniper" weapon than an AR. Equally as good for Hunting.

By the way, why is this on the POLITICAL thread?   It's already posted on the News thread, a more appropriate location. 

[Mechanicos]

You can get drum magazines for them, but there is no evidence of that happening in this event.   My best friend who's hobby is buying and shooting antique WWII guns has an SKS, which I have shot.    As antiquated as it is, it is far more suited for a "sniper" weapon than an AR. Equally as good for Hunting.

By the way, why is this on the POLITICAL thread?   It's already posted on the News thread, a more appropriate location.

Because the Democrats made it a gun control issue which is political.

[rangerrebew]

Very interesting if this can be verified. But the media will just bury it, leaving the assumption that it was an AR.

If he had used a slingshot the media would have claimed an AR 15.

[Rivergirl]

The msm objective is to lie and make sure they drown out the truth with their blatant propaganda.

[HAPPY2BME]

Thanks for posting this.

[austingirl]

The msm objective is to lie and make sure they drown out the truth with their blatant propaganda.

But the MSM just loves to say "weapons of war" and "AR15 assault weapon." It is vital to their liberal agenda. The facts do not matter.

[Fishrrman]

Autingirl wrote:
"But the MSM just loves to say "weapons of war" and "AR15 assault weapon." It is vital to their liberal agenda. The facts do not matter."

There exists a large -- and GROWING -- contingent of people in this country who are, for all practical purposes, "unreachable" on this issue by either facts, persuasion, or awareness.

Yet one more indicator of how divided the nation is right now, and how those rifts will only grow in the future.

[Crazieman]

Completely unreachable.

If the news source is not commie, the fact doesn't exist.

If the news source IS commie, the fact is suspect because you brought it up, they didn't find it themselves.

[rangerrebew]

Weapon Used By Dallas Shooter Has Been Revealed, And It’s Not an Assault Rifle
July 9, 2016 | Joshua Krause | The Daily Sheeple 
 
sks rifle wikimedia

Though there have been several conflicting claims floating around on the internet, most mainstream news sources are currently suggesting that Micah Xavier Johnson used an old SKS rifle to kill 5 police officers in Dallas on Thursday. If true, it would certainly throw a wrench in the typical mass shooter narrative that gun control advocates hold so dearly.

That’s because the SKS is no assault rifle. It’s a popular military surplus arm developed and mass-produced in the 1940’s and 1950’s in several communist nations. Most variants of the rifle are heavy, fire from a fixed 10 round magazine, are loaded with 10 round stripper clips, and use the same intermediate cartridge as the AK-47. It’s so tame that it can be sold in states like California without any modifications.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/weapon-used-by-dallas-shooter-has-been-revealed-and-its-not-an-assault-rifle_072016

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[skeeter]

Interesting. Of course I had heard it was one of these AR-15s.



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[bolobaby]

It looks scary. Just seeing it bruises my shoulder and gives me a temporary case of PTSD.

[Chieftain]

An SKS fires 7.62 x 39mm FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) rounds with 123 grain bullets (standard); as compared to the AR-15 which fires .223/5.56mm NATO rounds firing a 55 grain bullet (also standard).

Significant difference.  Be glad he didn't get his hands on an old BAR...that fires .30 caliber FMJ rounds weighing 150 grains, standard...

 

[starstruck]

Antique SKS rifle used by Dallas Killer



This is in Politics because the Left made the firearm a political issue in their ongoing attempt to ban AR 15's AND it shows how none of the California Liberal gun control laws would have had any deterrence effect with this firearm.

The most prolific sniper ever used a bolt action weapon with a 5 round capacity to score 505 confirmed kills. It would not be classified as an assault weapon. His name was Simo "Simuna" Häyhä and he used a Mosin-Nagant  variant.

[Smokin Joe]

An SKS fires 7.62 x 39mm FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) rounds with 123 grain bullets (standard); as compared to the AR-15 which fires .223/5.56mm NATO rounds firing a 55 grain bullet (also standard).

Significant difference.  Be glad he didn't get his hands on an old BAR...that fires .30 caliber FMJ rounds weighing 150 grains, standard...

 

The 7.62X39 round has ballistics similar to the .30-30. I have fired a couple of SKS variants and the bottom line here, whether he had the normal 10 round or one of the carbines with detachable 30 round magazines or the 75 round drum magazine installed, is that the rifle is a semiautomatic rifle.

The push has been for Australian style gun control, which eliminated close to half a million semiautomatic arms from the hands of firearm owners in that country. All of the rifles classified by the anti-gun folks as "assault rifles" along with a multitude of shotguns and handguns would be eliminated by such legislation, including the AR-15.

That the firearm used (if this information is correct) is ordinarily a ten round capacity arm, loaded with stripper clips and with no detachable magazine in most configurations only makes its more formidable appearing counterparts that much more of a threat in the minds of the gun grabbers and hoplophobes out there.

[Fishrrman]

Hmmmmmm.....

The article says the SKS has a "fixed" 10-round magazine.

Yet the sniper fired -more than- ten shots.

What else did he use, in the short time of fire?

[flowers]

If he had used a slingshot the media would have claimed an AR 15.

That is a fact!

[ABX]

I'm on my phone so I can't post the pictures, but apparently it wasn't an SKS. Some photos of the 'splodey' scene are showing what appears to be a scoped AK-74, which uses the 5.45×39mm cartage. Still more powerful than the AR that police carry and could most likely compromise basic ballistic vests police wear.  (for the layman, it looks like the famous AK-47, just chambered to a different caliber)

[ABX]

Hmmmmmm.....

The article says the SKS has a "fixed" 10-round magazine.

Yet the sniper fired -more than- ten shots.

What else did he use, in the short time of fire?

(see previous post, it was an AK-74), however, SKS are commonly modified. Stock they come with fixed magazines, but it takes about 20 minutes to put an aftermarket stock on it that accepts traditional magazines. I've bubbaed a couple of those like that.

[Chieftain]

The 7.62X39 round has ballistics similar to the .30-30. I have fired a couple of SKS variants and the bottom line here, whether he had the normal 10 round or one of the carbines with detachable 30 round magazines or the 75 round drum magazine installed, is that the rifle is a semiautomatic rifle.

The push has been for Australian style gun control, which eliminated close to half a million semiautomatic arms from the hands of firearm owners in that country. All of the rifles classified by the anti-gun folks as "assault rifles" along with a multitude of shotguns and handguns would be eliminated by such legislation, including the AR-15.

That the firearm used (if this information is correct) is ordinarily a ten round capacity arm, loaded with stripper clips and with no detachable magazine in most configurations only makes its more formidable appearing counterparts that much more of a threat in the minds of the gun grabbers and hoplophobes out there.

yep...characterizing this weapon as an "antique" is deceiving.  There are plenty of old military grade rifles like this one, made in different parts of the former Soviet Union, that were never used and were stored crated away in cosmoline for decades until whomever owned a batch of them decided to put them up for sale.  There is nothing wrong with them at all, they fire just fine, and there are plenty of after market parts, mods and accessories for these rifles.

There was a batch of vintage American M-1's that came onto the market several years ago that had been stored away in some NATO warehouse and eventually declared excess and put up for sale.  They were snapped up in a matter of days by all sorts of collectors, and for cheap as I recall. 

What would a vintage M-1 Garand that has never been fired and is still in factory mint condition be worth these days??

[ABX]

yep...characterizing this weapon as an "antique" is deceiving.  There are plenty of old military grade rifles like this one, made in different parts of the former Soviet Union, that were never used and were stored crated away in cosmoline for decades until whomever owned a batch of them decided to put them up for sale.  There is nothing wrong with them at all, they fire just fine, and there are plenty of after market parts, mods and accessories for these rifles.

There was a batch of vintage American M-1's that came onto the market several years ago that had been stored away in some NATO warehouse and eventually declared excess and put up for sale.  They were snapped up in a matter of days by all sorts of collectors, and for cheap as I recall. 

What would a vintage M-1 Garand that has never been fired and is still in factory mint condition be worth these days??

Probably what they meant was, if it were stock, it possibly could qualify as a C&R.