Anti-Donald Trump Forces See Convention Coup as Within Reach

[L9teen]

I thought that before the primary season, a great many "conservatives" ranted that the party needed "tearing up."

Now they are lamenting that it didn't get torn up in precisely the manner they would have preferred.

The problem with tearing down the whole system, is who is going to rebuild it?  Who has the foundation, the structure, the coordination and the pieces already set, so it can be put in place, when everything goes to crap?

As we've seen in the ME, when governments have fallen, there is a vacuum that is quickly filled with evil....I fear, if the US government falls, the void left, will be filled with evil quicker than with good, because unfortunately, evil has their crap together....and the good is still feeling their way to find some unity.

Be careful what one wishes for, IMO.

[Mechanicos]

Please provide where you get this 1542 number.  Just where do you get your information, and why is it more reliable than where I get mine?

You got yours not from a Trump Supporter but a RNC assigned whip for Trump. Trump had earned 1542 bound delegates prior to the convention. There were not enough antis on the Rules committee to get a rule change. So The Bound stay bound per party rules and those have been upheld at the Supreme Court.

The story you got was very misleading. It was accurate in only one way, the number of Delegates who were bound to vote for other candidates -that number is the same as what it was before.  The fact that is not larger then it was from the Primary results is proof the antis are not growing. The RNC party whip was not able find out about the other delegates because they would not talk to him. What was missing entirely was any proof anybody had switched positions. 

So the ONLY facts you have here are. 1 the same delegates who were bound to vote for somebody other then Trump on the first vote are still the same, with maybe a handful of those who were never bound. In other words no evidence of any growth of antis. 2. Of the Trump delegates the RNC guy could only get 888 to talk to him.

You did not win the Rules committee thing. Bound stay bound. Besides, they are not so stupid as to destroy the GOP and ensure Hillary wins.

[truth_seeker]

Sorry, but Trump has already pulled that off without a convention or election.

He has done that by gaining the highest vote count in the primary lections? That is all he has done.

[NavyCanDo]

The problem with tearing down the whole system, is who is going to rebuild it?  Who has the foundation, the structure, the coordination and the pieces already set, so it can be put in place, when everything goes to crap?

As we've seen in the ME, when governments have fallen, there is a vacuum that is quickly filled with evil....I fear, if the US government falls, the void left, will be filled with evil quicker than with good, because unfortunately, evil has their crap together....and the good is still feeling their way to find some unity.

Be careful what one wishes for, IMO.

I just may have to pick up and read The Harbinger for the 3rd time, because with each passing day of this election The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment that was central in that Jonathan Cahn book  seems more and more a reality. AMERICA - Does God still shed his grace on thee, or are we destined for judgment as a nation?

[catfish1957]

He has done that by gaining the highest vote count in the primary lections? That is all he has done.

You missed the intent of the quote.  Trump has already destroyed the party without an election or a convention.  Based on stupidity, not that he got the most votes.

[L9teen]

You got yours not from a Trump Supporter but a RNC assigned whip for Trump. Trump had earned 1542 bound delegates prior to the convention. There were not enough antis on the Rules committee to get a rule change. So The Bound stay bound per party rules and those have been upheld at the Supreme Court.

The story you got was very misleading. It was accurate in only one way, the number of Delegates who were bound to vote for other candidates -that number is the same as what it was before.  The fact that is not larger then it was from the Primary results is proof the antis are not growing. The RNC party whip was not able find out about the other delegates because they would not talk to him. What was missing entirely was any proof anybody had switched positions. 

So the ONLY facts you have here are. 1 the same delegates who were bound to vote for somebody other then Trump on the first vote are still the same, with maybe a handful of those who were never bound. In other words no evidence of any growth of antis. 2. Of the Trump delegates the RNC guy could only get 888 to talk to him.

You did not win the Rules committee thing. Bound stay bound. Besides, they are not so stupid as to destroy the GOP and ensure Hillary wins.

Um...WTF are you talking about?  The Rules Committee hasn't even met yet for this years convention.  So NO ONE has decided anything and NO ONE has won ANYTHING.

I find it rather funny, that for someone who claims his guy is going to win and he is leading over Hillary (despite what the polls and pundits say), that you are arguing so hard, over speculation of what is going to happen at the Convention.  If Trump and his surrogates are right, that they have this, that the majority do support him and that the anti's are dwindling, then what's the problem?    Why are you even worried about what the delegates are doing? 

If Trump is SOOOO popular, and more people are on his side, than are not, then if the delegates vote their conscience, by that logic, they'd be voting for him, right? 
 
So,  what are you afraid of?  Why are you so defensive?  What has you worried?  Maybe you don't believe what you spew?

[Mechanicos]

Um...WTF are you talking about?  The Rules Committee hasn't even met yet for this years convention.  So NO ONE has decided anything and NO ONE has won ANYTHING.

I find it rather funny, that for someone who claims his guy is going to win and he is leading over Hillary (despite what the polls and pundits say), that you are arguing so hard, over speculation of what is going to happen at the Convention.  If Trump and his surrogates are right, that they have this, that the majority do support him and that the anti's are dwindling, then what's the problem?    Why are you even worried about what the delegates are doing? 

If Trump is SOOOO popular, and more people are on his side, than are not, then if the delegates vote their conscience, by that logic, they'd be voting for him, right? 
 
So,  what are you afraid of?  Why are you so defensive?  What has you worried?  Maybe you don't believe what you spew?

Its math. Per your article there is NOBODY who has changed positions. Its still the same people who have to vote for other candidates because of the Primary. or So you have nothing here and yes they have been meeting and talking. Per political only 6 of 112 on the rules committee side with the Party suicide club.

WSJ played you.

[HonestJohn]

I thought that before the primary season, a great many "conservatives" ranted that the party needed "tearing up."

Now they are lamenting that it didn't get torn up in precisely the manner they would have preferred.

Yes.  And those 'conservatives' that did such ranting are the ones who support Trump.

[L9teen]

Its math. Per your article there is NOBODY who has changed positions. Its still the same people who have to vote for other candidates because of the Primary. or So you have nothing here and yes they have been meeting and talking. Per political only 6 of 112 on the rules committee side with the Party suicide club.

WSJ played you.

Since when is Politico more reliable than WSJ?

Wow....I find your defensiveness really laughable.  You still can't answer any of my questions.  What are you worried about?  Why are you defensive at all?  What are you even bothering if WSJ is SOOOO wrong...what difference does it make WHAT I, or anyone else, thinks???

Trump has this, right?  Regardless of what the delegates do...Trumps got this.    Right?

[Mechanicos]

Since when is Politico more reliable than WSJ?

Wow....I find your defensiveness really laughable.  You still can't answer any of my questions.  What are you worried about?  Why are you defensive at all?  What are you even bothering if WSJ is SOOOO wrong...what difference does it make WHAT I, or anyone else, thinks???

Trump has this, right?  Regardless of what the delegates do...Trumps got this.    Right?

WSJ is owned by Robert Murdoch now. Hes co-owner of the largest open borders lobbyist business in DC. WSJ is in bed with NBC now.

Things change. Murdoch does not want a wall nor Trump's America First policy.

[DCPatriot]

They've got a better chance of shaking hands with Jesus, than wresting the nomination from Trump.

[L9teen]

They've got a better chance of shaking hands with Jesus, than wresting the nomination from Trump.

[truth_seeker]

You missed the intent of the quote.  Trump has already destroyed the party without an election or a convention.  Based on stupidity, not that he got the most votes.

Who or what is stupid? Is that the result, when you raise your game to the highest level? Calling others stupid?

When I reminisce, I recall a time before the refugee intake, when the caliber of discussion here was much higher. Just sayin.

Trump filled a void, not of his making. Do you understand that?

[skeeter]

He has done that by gaining the highest vote count in the primary lections? That is all he has done.

Both for AND against him.

[Mechanicos]

Both for AND against him.

Not true.
2 ways that is false.
1. Trump was the first or second choice of most voters so the majority could not be voting against him.
2. The most votes against anybody would logically be on those who did not win.

[txradioguy]

He has done that by gaining the highest vote count in the primary lections? That is all he has done.

And almost 5 million MORE people voted against him in the primaries than for him

That is all he's done as well.

[txradioguy]

Who or what is stupid? Is that the result, when you raise your game to the highest level? Calling others stupid?

When I reminisce, I recall a time before the refugee intake, when the caliber of discussion here was much higher. Just sayin.

Trump filled a void, not of his making. Do you understand that?

When are YOU going to understand that the void Trump filled was not one the GOP or Conservatives needed filled?

[truth_seeker]

Yes.  And those 'conservatives' that did such ranting are the ones who support Trump.

Are you ignoring the "stupid" voters for Carson, Fiorina, Cruz ALL of whom were classed as protests, against the "politics as usual" GOP establishment candidates?

Trump filled a void, not of his making.  Trump did not blow up the GOP; the voters blew up the GOP.

[txradioguy]

Are you ignoring the "stupid" voters for Carson, Fiorina, Cruz ALL of whom were classed as protests, against the "politics as usual" GOP establishment candidates?

Trump filled a void, not of his making.  Trump did not blow up the GOP; the voters blew up the GOP.

Trump didn't fill a void...he merely revealed the minority group of Fascist's within the GOP.  The John Birch Society types that needed to be removed from party anyway.

[plewis1250]

Political said they have 6 not 20. Even if they had 28 they will be shut down and escorted out.  This is gaslighting by the cheap labor crowd.

It will be glorious when Trump gets dumped and all his worshipers' heads explode...

[plewis1250]

Not true.
2 ways that is false.
1. Trump was the first or second choice of most voters so the majority could not be voting against him.
2. The most votes against anybody would logically be on those who did not win.

That is completely false.
Cruz was the first or second choice of most primary voters. Trump was the first choice of about 42-43% of primary voters. Second choice, he fell WAY off.
Trump amassed 43% of the vote. That means 57% found him detestable in some fashion. He has a plurality, I'll give you that. But do not try and claim the majority of the GOP was for this walking disaster.

[WAC]

Especially when Cruz comes in on his elevator to endorse Trump and hands over his delegates to support Trump! (truth in jest humor )

[HonestJohn]

Are you ignoring the "stupid" voters for Carson, Fiorina, Cruz ALL of whom were classed as protests, against the "politics as usual" GOP establishment candidates?

Trump filled a void, not of his making.  Trump did not blow up the GOP; the voters blew up the GOP.

None were screaming to 'burn it down'. 

Change it, yes.

Destroy it, no.

I remember who was screaming for the GOP to be destroyed.  And those are with Herr Drumpf.

[truth_seeker]

Trump didn't fill a void...he merely revealed the minority group of Fascist's within the GOP.  The John Birch Society types that needed to be removed from party anyway.

Then I sure have a lot of Fascists in my family and in my wife's family. Several served in uniform, work and pay taxes, own property, have no criminal records.

And as far as I can tell, usually vote Republican, because they categorize themselves "conservative," and as Christians.

One in particular just finished 12 years in the Air Force., with tours in Afghanistan and Turkey btw.

Your over-the-top name-calling rhetoric repels all but the fringe of the fringe; in terms of political persuasion.

[txradioguy]

Especially when Cruz comes in on his elevator to endorse Trump and hands over his delegates to support Trump! (truth in jest humor )

 

Why do you just keep making things up like that?