Anti-Donald Trump Forces See Convention Coup as Within Reach

[catfish1957]

Political said they have 6 not 20. Even if they had 28 they will be shut down and escorted out.  This is gaslighting by the cheap labor crowd.

Escort out a certified GOP delegate?   You really do want 1968 doin't you?

[HoustonSam]

This is your problem. You hate your primary opponent and his supporters far more than you could ever hate the democrats.

It is also the problem with the rest of the Republican establishment - they hate Conservatives more than they hate democrats, and will run harder against Conservatives in primary battles than against democrats in general elections.

Trump's supporters hold him out as some kind of change agent, but his campaign has come down to precisely the same worn out "lesser of two evils" argument we routinely hear from the establishment.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

[skeeter]

It is also the problem with the rest of the Republican establishment - they hate Conservatives more than they hate democrats, and will run harder against Conservatives in primary battles than against democrats in general elections.

Trump's supporters hold him out as some kind of change agent, but his campaign has come down to precisely the same worn out "lesser of two evils" argument we routinely hear from the establishment.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

I reckoned the establishment would co-opt Trump, and Trump, wanting to be taken seriously, would allow himself to be co-opted.

Its why they preferred Trump to Cruz.

[Mechanicos]

This is your problem. You hate your primary opponent and his supporters far more than you could ever hate the democrats.

And when Trump is defeated your hate for us will only grow.

Oh its not hate at all. See conservatives are mature and do not let emotions control them. When facts, logic, common sense, reason etc fail to pull otherwise smart people out of their Fixed Action Pattern Response aka Knee Jerk regurgitation of ingrained mantras then other means might be useful. I am firmly convinced many of the Cruz people on here are fighting Trump because of emotional trauma from the Primary and that's why they keep seeking out validation from unsavory sources to justify their revulsion of him.

[skeeter]

Oh its not hate at all. See conservatives are mature and do not let emotions control them. When facts, logic, common sense, reason etc fail to pull otherwise smart people out of their Fixed Action Pattern Response aka Knee Jerk regurgitation of ingrained mantras then other means might be useful. I am firmly convinced many of the Cruz people on here are fighting Trump because of emotional trauma from the Primary and that's why they keep seeking out validation from unsavory sources to justify their revulsion of him.

There's got to be some reason you are continually trying to taunt them.

Notice I said 'trying'.

[L9teen]

BREAKING NEWS

RNC Member Randy Evans who is heading up Trump's whip team told the Wall Street Journal that Trump had just 890 committed delegates, well short of the 1237 needed to be nominee. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, “Mr. Evans’s count shows just about 890 delegates are personally loyal to the New Yorker. Another 680 oppose Mr. Trump. That leaves 900 delegates who are presumed to be “in play,” he said.”

Delegates Unbound co-founder Dane Waters stated, “These numbers make clear why the Trump campaign is resorting to working with a Democratic Attorney General to strip RNC delegates of their right to vote for someone other than Donald J. Trump.”

 As Delegates Unbound reported yesterday, the vice chairman of Trump’s Virginia campaign, John Fredericks, has filed to intervene in a lawsuit by Virginia Republican Delegate Beau Carroll. Carroll sued to ensure all Virginia delegates to the Republican National Convention maintain their right under Republican National Committee rules and bylaws to cast ballots for candidates according to their consciences.

Trump has claimed such efforts are “illegal,” and the Fredericks filing claims Republican delegates should face possible civil and criminal penalties if they choose to vote for a candidate other than Trump. “These numbers must be the reason that the Trump campaign has dispatched their convention parliamentarian to Richmond to testify against the independence of political parties. Clearly this litigation, and these numbers, have them rattled”, stated Eric O’Keefe, cofounder of Delegates Unbound.

This news comes on the heels of a new Reuters/Ipsos poll that shows Trump trailing Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton by 13 points, a gap that has widened in recent weeks. Waters added, "Defeating Hillary Clinton should be the Republican National Convention’s highest priority in 2016, and that is more likely to happen if delegates follow their conscience when considering all the factors available by the time the convention starts."

 These factors include not just Mr. Trump’s performance so far in the primaries, caucuses, and conventions, but also his support among the electorate and electability, the impact his nomination could have on U.S. Senate and House candidates, his fundraising and campaign organization, his temperament, and whether he would uphold Republican values in office. "If Trump truly has the support he and his supporters say, then he should have nothing to be concerned about if delegates retain their traditional freedom to vote their consciences," added Waters.

 Delegates Unbound

GAME SET MATCH

[Mechanicos]

BREAKING NEWS

RNC Member Randy Evans who is heading up Trump's whip team told the Wall Street Journal that Trump had just 890 committed delegates, well short of the 1237 needed to be nominee. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, “Mr. Evans’s count shows just about 890 delegates are personally loyal to the New Yorker. Another 680 oppose Mr. Trump. That leaves 900 delegates who are presumed to be “in play,” he said.”

Delegates Unbound co-founder Dane Waters stated, “These numbers make clear why the Trump campaign is resorting to working with a Democratic Attorney General to strip RNC delegates of their right to vote for someone other than Donald J. Trump.”

 As Delegates Unbound reported yesterday, the vice chairman of Trump’s Virginia campaign, John Fredericks, has filed to intervene in a lawsuit by Virginia Republican Delegate Beau Carroll. Carroll sued to ensure all Virginia delegates to the Republican National Convention maintain their right under Republican National Committee rules and bylaws to cast ballots for candidates according to their consciences.

Trump has claimed such efforts are “illegal,” and the Fredericks filing claims Republican delegates should face possible civil and criminal penalties if they choose to vote for a candidate other than Trump. “These numbers must be the reason that the Trump campaign has dispatched their convention parliamentarian to Richmond to testify against the independence of political parties. Clearly this litigation, and these numbers, have them rattled”, stated Eric O’Keefe, cofounder of Delegates Unbound.

This news comes on the heels of a new Reuters/Ipsos poll that shows Trump trailing Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton by 13 points, a gap that has widened in recent weeks. Waters added, "Defeating Hillary Clinton should be the Republican National Convention’s highest priority in 2016, and that is more likely to happen if delegates follow their conscience when considering all the factors available by the time the convention starts."

 These factors include not just Mr. Trump’s performance so far in the primaries, caucuses, and conventions, but also his support among the electorate and electability, the impact his nomination could have on U.S. Senate and House candidates, his fundraising and campaign organization, his temperament, and whether he would uphold Republican values in office. "If Trump truly has the support he and his supporters say, then he should have nothing to be concerned about if delegates retain their traditional freedom to vote their consciences," added Waters.

 Delegates Unbound

GAME SET MATCH

Absolute BS. Trump has 1542 bound delegates and WSJ is a flat out liar. They claimed the ones who are bound to vote for other candidates for the first vote were the opposing Trump ones. Oh and they sell this lie by saying the others are "unknown" so all they have is the same ones who could not vote for Trump after the primary because they were bound to other candidates and only 890 who would talk to them. The number that tells you its BS is the Anti Trump Delegate Number has not grown at all since the end of he primary and is the same as those delegates bound to other candidates.

[L9teen]

Simple fact, we are not the ones doing anything here. Trump won the Primary and the Delegates necessary  to win. You did not even come close. So this is nothing but a theft attempt to install Bush or another Rino.

And the fact good Americans are angry at dumb thieves is not us causing the problem.

In real world its you doing the projection. We are defenders. We are the good guys fighting Hillary.

Hey, skippy....Trump hasn't won SQUAT.  Until the convention...where the VOTES are actually counted, TRUMP HASN'T WON A DAMN THING.

Hence the whole "PRESUMPTION" thing....you DO know what that means, right?
 Simple Definition of presumption   

•   : a belief that something is true even though it has not been proved
•   law : an act of accepting that something is true until it is proved not true
•   : willingness to do something without the right or permission to do it

  Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

[catfish1957]

BREAKING NEWS

RNC Member Randy Evans who is heading up Trump's whip team told the Wall Street Journal that Trump had just 890 committed delegates, well short of the 1237 needed to be nominee. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, “Mr. Evans’s count shows just about 890 delegates are personally loyal to the New Yorker. Another 680 oppose Mr. Trump. That leaves 900 delegates who are presumed to be “in play,” he said.”

Delegates Unbound co-founder Dane Waters stated, “These numbers make clear why the Trump campaign is resorting to working with a Democratic Attorney General to strip RNC delegates of their right to vote for someone other than Donald J. Trump.”

 As Delegates Unbound reported yesterday, the vice chairman of Trump’s Virginia campaign, John Fredericks, has filed to intervene in a lawsuit by Virginia Republican Delegate Beau Carroll. Carroll sued to ensure all Virginia delegates to the Republican National Convention maintain their right under Republican National Committee rules and bylaws to cast ballots for candidates according to their consciences.

Trump has claimed such efforts are “illegal,” and the Fredericks filing claims Republican delegates should face possible civil and criminal penalties if they choose to vote for a candidate other than Trump. “These numbers must be the reason that the Trump campaign has dispatched their convention parliamentarian to Richmond to testify against the independence of political parties. Clearly this litigation, and these numbers, have them rattled”, stated Eric O’Keefe, cofounder of Delegates Unbound.

This news comes on the heels of a new Reuters/Ipsos poll that shows Trump trailing Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton by 13 points, a gap that has widened in recent weeks. Waters added, "Defeating Hillary Clinton should be the Republican National Convention’s highest priority in 2016, and that is more likely to happen if delegates follow their conscience when considering all the factors available by the time the convention starts."

 These factors include not just Mr. Trump’s performance so far in the primaries, caucuses, and conventions, but also his support among the electorate and electability, the impact his nomination could have on U.S. Senate and House candidates, his fundraising and campaign organization, his temperament, and whether he would uphold Republican values in office. "If Trump truly has the support he and his supporters say, then he should have nothing to be concerned about if delegates retain their traditional freedom to vote their consciences," added Waters.

 Delegates Unbound

GAME SET MATCH

Very suspicious in validity, but we all are hoping for a miracle, so we can send this orange clown home.

[L9teen]

I reckoned the establishment would co-opt Trump, and Trump, wanting to be taken seriously, would allow himself to be co-opted.

Its why they preferred Trump to Cruz.

[Mechanicos]

Hey, skippy....Trump hasn't won SQUAT.  Until the convention...where the VOTES are actually counted, TRUMP HASN'T WON A DAMN THING.

Hence the whole "PRESUMPTION" thing....you DO know what that means, right?
 Simple Definition of presumption   

•   : a belief that something is true even though it has not been proved
•   law : an act of accepting that something is true until it is proved not true
•   : willingness to do something without the right or permission to do it

  Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

Trump won the Primary and you have no right to tell 14 million voters to go to hell. All you are doing is trying to destroy the party and elect Hillary. There is no way in hell you are going to get Cruz. And no way in hell there will be GOP turn out after such a action by the Establishment.

Face it. WSJ lied to you.

[L9teen]

Absolute BS. Trump has 1542 bound delegates and WSJ is a flat out liar. They claimed the ones who are bound to vote for other candidates for the first vote were the opposing Trump ones. Oh and they sell this lie by saying the others are "unknown" so all they have is the same ones who could not vote for Trump after the primary because they were bound to other candidates and only 890 who would talk to them. The number that tells you its BS is the Anti Trump Delegate Number has not grown at all since the end of he primary and is the same as those delegates bound to other candidates.

Please provide where you get this 1542 number.  Just where do you get your information, and why is it more reliable than where I get mine?

[catfish1957]

All you are doing is trying to destroy the party

Sorry, but Trump has already pulled that off without a convention or election.

[geronl]

Political said they have 6 not 20. Even if they had 28 they will be shut down and escorted out.  This is gaslighting by the cheap labor crowd.

escorted out... why... for doing their job....

wow, the Trumpanista's really know this unity stuff, lol

[L9teen]

Trump won the Primary and you have no right to tell 14 million voters to go to hell. All you are doing is trying to destroy the party and elect Hillary. There is no way in hell you are going to get Cruz. And no way in hell there will be GOP turn out after such a action by the Establishment.

Face it. WSJ lied to you.

 

Do you need a tissue?  Thou art protesting a bit much....

 

[RetBobbyMI]

No I would prepare for the coming civil war since there would be no GOP party after such a stupid act.

So then you would be supporting Hillary.  Nice how those tables turn. Aren't they?

[RetBobbyMI]

Absolute BS. Trump has 1542 bound delegates and WSJ is a flat out liar. They claimed the ones who are bound to vote for other candidates for the first vote were the opposing Trump ones. Oh and they sell this lie by saying the others are "unknown" so all they have is the same ones who could not vote for Trump after the primary because they were bound to other candidates and only 890 who would talk to them. The number that tells you its BS is the Anti Trump Delegate Number has not grown at all since the end of he primary and is the same as those delegates bound to other candidates.

Bogus numbers. SOME delegate may be bound by RNC rules, some by state party rules, some by state laws.  The rules of the RNC can be changed by the convention delegates themselves.  Same goes with state GOP rules.  Now as for State laws, there is court precedence that party rules (excuse the pun) trump state laws. They have said states can not impede party rules.

SO...there are no locked votes until the party votes in Cleveland.

[sinkspur]

#BREAKING National GE,
Among Latino Voters:

Clinton 80% (+67)
Trump 13%

New Latino Voice

http://latinousa.org/2016/07/05/latest-latino-voter-national-tracking-poll-clinton-80-trump-13/?utm_content=buffer39eb2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer …

[catfish1957]

Any bets on whether Trump is approaching McGovern territory by November?

HE is giving a clinic on exactly how NOT to conduct a POTUS campaign.

[L9teen]

Regardless of what numbers are what....until the actual votes are counted AT THE CONVENTION, no one truly knows what is going to happen.  I'm sure even the delegates have no clue.   :pillowfight: It's all speculation.

And in the meanwhile, I just want to address all the Trump supporters with this statement:

If Trump truly has the support he and his supporters say, then he should have nothing to be concerned about if delegates retain their traditional freedom to vote their consciences.


RIGHT?

[RetBobbyMI]

#BREAKING National GE,
Among Latino Voters:

Clinton 80% (+67)
Trump 13%

New Latino Voice

http://latinousa.org/2016/07/05/latest-latino-voter-national-tracking-poll-clinton-80-trump-13/?utm_content=buffer39eb2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer …

That 13% must be the ones he hired at his resorts.

[catfish1957]

Regardless of what numbers are what....until the actual votes are counted AT THE CONVENTION, no one truly knows what is going to happen.  I'm sure even the delegates have no clue.   :pillowfight: It's all speculation.

And in the meanwhile, I just want to address all the Trump supporters with this statement:

If Trump truly has the support he and his supporters say, then he should have nothing to be concerned about if delegates retain their traditional freedom to vote their consciences.


RIGHT?

Earlier the campaign there was some talk of Trump thugs harassing and publishing room numbers of delegates who did not tow the line.

IF this thing gets out of hand like in 1968, no telling what might happen.  I am hoping for a miracle.

[L9teen]

#BREAKING National GE,
Among Latino Voters:

Clinton 80% (+67)
Trump 13%

Analysis of where Trump stacks up compared to Romney/Obama in RED states:
 UT - Hillary is 45 points better
 OK - Hillary is 14 points better
 ID - Hillary is 15 points better
 LA  - Hillary is 1 point better
 WV - Hillary is 2 points better
 TN - Hillary is 11 points better
 KS  - Hillary is 24 points better
 AR - Hillary is 13 points better
 TX - Hillary is 10 points better
 MT - Hillary is 8 points better
 MS - Hillary is 9 points better
 SC - Hillary is 9 points better
 IN - Hillary is 3 points better
 MO - Hillary is 7 points better
 AZ - Hillary is 9 points better
 GA - Hillary is 4 points better

Clinton, the KNOWN lying, corrupt, criminal that is TOTALLY GUILTY, on average, is 9 points better than Trump, compared to where Obama was over Romney, at this stage, in 2012.

FiveThirtyEight - 2016 Election ForecastUpdated 9 minutes agoChance of winning

		Polls-only forecast	Polls-plus forecast
	Clinton	77.4%	71.7%
	Trump	22.6%	28.3%

[truth_seeker]

I thought you trumpeters wanted nothing more than to tear the party up?  That's all I've been hearing for months.  How curious.

I thought that before the primary season, a great many "conservatives" ranted that the party needed "tearing up."

Now they are lamenting that it didn't get torn up in precisely the manner they would have preferred.

[andy58-in-nh]

#BREAKING National GE,
Among Latino Voters:

Clinton 80% (+67)
Trump 13%

New Latino Voice
http://latinousa.org/2016/07/05/latest-latino-voter-national-tracking-poll-clinton-80-trump-13/?utm_content=buffer39eb2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer …

The Trumpanzees will deny this poll, as they do every poll that portrays their preposterous Poobah in a poor light.