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Offline Dexter

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Which would be worse?
« on: July 06, 2016, 02:25:09 pm »
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 02:28:15 pm »
I'm scared of both, frankly.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 02:28:35 pm »
Good poll. July 5 changed the calculus for me.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 02:30:15 pm »
They're both awful.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2016, 02:31:18 pm »
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2016, 02:35:39 pm »
Grrrrrr.   Trump would be less bad.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2016, 02:35:55 pm »
Trump's alt-right fascism is worse,  not least because, if not repudiated, it will likely destroy conservatism as a political movement in this nation. 

Responsible conservatives from the sixties onward have recognized the necessity of repudiating the racist crapola that infests so much of the nativist right.   Now we as a party are on the verge of embracing it.   It will prove the death of our movement unless we get out front and disassociate ourselves from it.   

The NeverTrumpers need to stick to their principles and kick Trumpism to the curb.   George Will is right - only by defeating Trump will we live to fight another day.     
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2016, 02:38:06 pm »
I agree they are both awful. The only reason Trumps crimes haven't risen to the level of Hillary's is simply he hasn't been in the position of power to do it, but as for attitude toward the law and constitutuon, they both seem to not respect either.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2016, 02:41:56 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 06, 2016, 02:35:55 pm
Trump's alt-right fascism is worse,  not least because, if not repudiated, it will likely destroy conservatism as a political movement in this nation. 

Responsible conservatives from the sixties onward have recognized the necessity of repudiating the racist crapola that infests so much of the nativist right.   Now we as a party are on the verge of embracing it.   It will prove the death of our movement unless we get out front and disassociate ourselves from it.   

The NeverTrumpers need to stick to their principles and kick Trumpism to the curb.   George Will is right - only by defeating Trump will we live to fight another day.   

I don't really understand that argument.  Trump is clearly not a conservative, so how will he destroy conservatism?
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 02:44:46 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 06, 2016, 02:41:56 pm
I don't really understand that argument.  Trump is clearly not a conservative, so how will he destroy conservatism?

By being painted and held up as the face of it. He is every leftists parody of Conservatism and they will use him as proof of their false stereotypes.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 04:38:12 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 06, 2016, 02:44:46 pm
By being painted and held up as the face of it. He is every leftists parody of Conservatism and they will use him as proof of their false stereotypes.

Exactly.  He is, for better or worse, the face of the conservative/Republican brand.   And that new face is ugly and hateful to behold. 

After Trump's defeat, the GOP will either die as the Whigs did, or resurrect itself with the voices of those who had the courage this year to reject alt-right fascism as the face of conservatism.   So long as those voices remain steadfast and strong, conservatism can survive.  But that requires us to reject the stupidity of voting for Trump just because "Hillary's worse".  Evil is evil, folks.   This is a time for standing up for what we believe.  Our sacred honor is all we have left.   
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2016, 04:38:51 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 06, 2016, 02:41:56 pm
I don't really understand that argument.  Trump is clearly not a conservative, so how will he destroy conservatism?

Already being done.

They are redefining and remaking Conservatism into Trump's NYC liberal image.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2016, 07:14:56 pm »
Needed fourth choice.......

Nauseated at the thought of either.
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Re: Which would be worse?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2016, 04:36:21 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 06, 2016, 02:41:56 pm
I don't really understand that argument.  Trump is clearly not a conservative, so how will he destroy conservatism?

Because those that believe that crapola call themselves conservative.

And the rest of America takes their declaration at face value unless someone (like, let's say, Conservatives) actually repudiates their claims.
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