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Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« on: June 30, 2016, 12:36:49 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-pennsylvania-224966

 Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action

In a swing state that's central to his fortunes, local GOP leaders say there's almost no sign of Donald Trump's operation.

By Katie Glueck

06/30/16 05:21 AM EDT

Nearly everyone can agree that Donald Trump’s path to the White House goes through Pennsylvania.

But local party leaders in some of the state’s most pivotal counties say there’s been almost no outreach from his campaign so far, and there’s scant evidence of any Trump-driven ground organization. What infrastructure is in place lags behind the Democratic coordinated campaign on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

“The good news is, the level of enthusiasm for Mr. Trump in this county is the strongest I’ve ever seen for anyone,” said Michael Korns, Republican chairman of Westmoreland County, the second biggest in western Pennsylvania and the site of a Trump speech on Tuesday. “The bad news is, the resources at our disposal are by the far the worst I’ve ever seen in any campaign, at least in any presidential campaign.”

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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 12:46:55 pm »
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there’s scant evidence of any Trump-driven ground organization
Is there an organization at all? My impression from what I've seen in my own state is that a couple of businessmen, on their own, are the de facto Trump "organization." One spent his own money to set up a local HQ and the other - a coal company CEO - has bankrolled a couple of fundraising events.
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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 01:02:09 pm »
No urgency at all.

It will all magically come together.
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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 01:05:18 pm »
Yet hes polling ahead or tied with Hillary. If The ground game was king, If Money spent was King Somebody else would be the presumptive nominee. This is great because the Establishment and antis are focusing on obsolete models of elections.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 01:07:05 pm »
trump has no ground game in any state

The Trump campaign is a few dozen people and a one man stage act plus a paid army of Russian internet trolls.

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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 01:15:19 pm »
trump has no ground game in any state

The Trump campaign is a few dozen people and a one man stage act plus a paid army of Russian internet trolls.

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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 01:19:38 pm »
trump has no ground game in any state

The Trump campaign is a few dozen people and a one man stage act plus a paid army of Russian internet trolls.
LOL you still cannot see that your kind is the outliers. Americans care about the safety of America, The economy and the future of our country more then the social issues that GOP always loses election over. The Democrats want the election to be about the usual subjects where democrats hold the upper card election wise. Trump supporters are looking at stopping the head chopping  and the giant sucking sound of job loss.

Now as for online agents, seems there are more then a few arguing Hillary is not so bad and survivable. That's straight out of the democrat camp.

Besides the lack of the obsolete election systems does not seem to be hurting him much...

White House Watch: Trump 43%, Clinton 39%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Since you trust polls...
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 01:35:18 pm »
New Hampshire, too...



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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2016, 01:40:13 pm »
Not having campaign staff in each State isn't just running an 'unorthodox' campaign. There are legal steps in every stat that a staff must complete and be on top of, from precinct filings to donation and expense filings, to simply ensuring correct ballot listings in each precinct. Failing at these simple things should be a red flag.

As I stated months ago, he is like a developer winning a bid for a project he talked up and bragged about how wonderful he would be- then never actually shows up to do the work. He thinks his job ends when he wins the bid.

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 03:39:22 pm »
Not having campaign staff in each State isn't just running an 'unorthodox' campaign. There are legal steps in every stat that a staff must complete and be on top of, from precinct filings to donation and expense filings, to simply ensuring correct ballot listings in each precinct. Failing at these simple things should be a red flag.

As I stated months ago, he is like a developer winning a bid for a project he talked up and bragged about how wonderful he would be- then never actually shows up to do the work. He thinks his job ends when he wins the bid.

A lot of Conservatives have that philosophy. Just win the primary and that is it.
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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 05:51:25 pm »
Yet hes polling ahead or tied with Hillary. If The ground game was king, If Money spent was King Somebody else would be the presumptive nominee. This is great because the Establishment and antis are focusing on obsolete models of elections.

And if you honestly don't see the need for a ground game to make sure that those people who said they were for Trump to the pollster on the phone actually get out there an pull the lever for him in November then I really believe you're going to wake up November 9th and say, "But the polls said we would win?  What happened?" 

People being taken for granted, as Trump is doing, have no real motivation to go and vote.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 05:52:09 pm »
A lot of Conservatives have that philosophy. Just win the primary and that is it.

Yep.  Just ask President Romney or President McCain.

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 06:01:22 pm »
And if you honestly don't see the need for a ground game to make sure that those people who said they were for Trump to the pollster on the phone actually get out there an pull the lever for him in November then I really believe you're going to wake up November 9th and say, "But the polls said we would win?  What happened?" 

People being taken for granted, as Trump is doing, have no real motivation to go and vote.
9 out of 10 voters ignore polls. So Really its foolish to be trusting them. The only thing going on now is the 24/7 Trump attacks on all the media with push polls trying to derail him at the convention Once hes nominated we will still have the bogus polls and attack ads but the Republicans Against Trump fade away. So he will do well.

The underlying issue here is can Trump turn out voters. That's a given with Trump. His supporters will fight thru La Raza and BLM to vote for him.  That's the only thing the ground game is about is turn out when its low.  Trump has no issue with turn out with the enthusiasm he has and the hatred most Americans have for Hillary.

Think about it, All you have is polls - Polls that cannot be verified. Done by mostly liberals.

They are so bad one of the most recent ones was the Ballotopeia one which used a professional marketing firm who brag on their home page they measure nothing they manipulate to deliver the goals the client wants.

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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 06:12:47 pm »
9 out of 10 voters ignore polls.

Think about it, All you have is polls - Polls that cannot be verified. Done by mostly liberals.

They are so bad one of the most recent ones was the Ballotopeia one which used a professional marketing firm who brag on their home page they measure nothing they manipulate to deliver the goals the client wants.

Again... since this has been asked of you and you steadfastly refuse to substantiate it... where in the hell are you getting that 9 out of 10 number?  And as for "all we have are polls," your boy was all about polls when they showed the percentages of his plurality of backers leading the other GOP candidates.

Tell us... in the absence of polling data, what measures are YOU using that make you so cocksure about Trump winning in November?  ASIDE from your wishes, hopes and dreams...
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 06:28:17 pm »
LOL you still cannot see that your kind is the outliers. White House Watch: Trump 43%, Clinton 39%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Since you trust polls...

Is your position those of us who opposed Trump from the start don't stand with America?  How about you make that clear to us all? 

And since you mentioned "outliers".....

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2016, 06:29:56 pm »
I'm still not convinced that he really wants to win.  Maybe he's won so much that he's tired of winning.

Perhaps they'll just use robocalls in the general.  People just love robocalls ... NOT!

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2016, 06:31:14 pm »
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And his kids who, by the way, are far more articulate that Trump himself could ever be.  Too bad they're below the age limit; they'd do better on the stump than Daddy Warbucks can.

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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2016, 06:33:19 pm »
Again... since this has been asked of you and you steadfastly refuse to substantiate it... where in the hell are you getting that 9 out of 10 number?  And as for "all we have are polls," your boy was all about polls when they showed the percentages of his plurality of backers leading the other GOP candidates.

Tell us... in the absence of polling data, what measures are YOU using that make you so cocksure about Trump winning in November?  ASIDE from your wishes, hopes and dreams...
First I note that polls have no credibility Gallop confirmed this. And its apparent when you look at their internals they are just making up the results they want.

There are objective measures. Enthusiasm Actual crowd size (not getting in front of a crowd already there for other reasons), number of small (under $200 donors) etc, Things a dishonest social scientist cannot manipulate for their own profit.

Gallop no longer does election polling because its too unreliable. They did however do a very large party identification survey that has been ongoing for many years. It is a decent measure to gut check any poll you see for its value. If I remember correctly the ratios to be base line legit are 32 dem, 29 GOP and 42 Indi.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/poll-political-party-identify-217562

So yeah most people tune out the MSM, turned off their TVS and do not pay attention like political junkies do.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2016, 06:52:42 pm »
First I note that polls have no credibility Gallop confirmed this. And its apparent when you look at their internals they are just making up the results they want.

There are objective measures. Enthusiasm Actual crowd size (not getting in front of a crowd already there for other reasons), number of small (under $200 donors) etc, Things a dishonest social scientist cannot manipulate for their own profit.

Gallop no longer does election polling because its too unreliable. They did however do a very large party identification survey that has been ongoing for many years. It is a decent measure to gut check any poll you see for its value. If I remember correctly the ratios to be base line legit are 32 dem, 29 GOP and 42 Indi.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/poll-political-party-identify-217562

So yeah most people tune out the MSM, turned off their TVS and do not pay attention like political junkies do.

Gallup doesn't do election polling because it's too "unreliable," yet the survey data shown in RCP averages by the end of each of the last three presidential elections were very close to the actual result.  As for the party ID numbers, nearly every measure that was done at the end of the 2012 presidential election showed a D+6 or D+7 spread in party ID, not including independents.  The idea of a D+3 spread is illusory.

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2016, 07:16:14 pm »
I'm still not convinced that he really wants to win.  Maybe he's won so much that he's tired of winning.

Perhaps they'll just use robocalls in the general.  People just love robocalls ... NOT!

Does anyone really think Trump will not do very well under another Clinton administration?

He's got the green and they're all about the payola.

I look at his refusal to unite the party, his constant antagonizing of various segments of the republican base and general lack of interest in doing what needs to be done to see this through to a successful conclusion and I have to wonder when he'll decide he's had enough fun playing emperor and go back to ripping off investors.


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Re: Trump's Pennsylvania campaign is missing in action
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2016, 07:18:14 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2016, 07:42:34 pm »
Gallup doesn't do election polling because it's too "unreliable," yet the survey data shown in RCP averages by the end of each of the last three presidential elections were very close to the actual result.  As for the party ID numbers, nearly every measure that was done at the end of the 2012 presidential election showed a D+6 or D+7 spread in party ID, not including independents.  The idea of a D+3 spread is illusory.

So you assume the ratio of Democrat Vote fraud is real voters... Its 4-6 percent of their total votes by most estimates.
Bottom line, they cannot do accurate polls in 2016, That's why there are so few people in their total population. They poll (if they actually poll) people willing to talk to pollsters and have a land line or is willing to spend minutes answering a cell phone from people they do not know. Think about that demographic and how it would vote. Is that Representative? Hell no.

Some like your Ballotopedia one do not even try to be credible, Their polling firm is a marketing firm that states it does not measure it manipulated to get the results its clients want. And the Hillary High Polls the antis have been shown are online polls. Really, you trust that?

Watching polls is for the gullible who lack common sense in  this day and age. 
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Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

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