The GOP's Death Wish

[Ghost Bear]

even if that means choosing the lesser of evils.

Keep choosing evil, be surprised when you get evil.  Trump Supporters.   

[sinkspur]

Illogical to say the least.

This is simple really. If Trump reels in 90%+ of Republicans and loses, than yes...the blame for this loss can be laid at the feet of his supporters in the party. However, if he loses because 10-20% of Republicans voted elsewhere or chose to stay home...than those who did so carry 100% of the blame for putting Hillary in the White House. THEIR votes will be, literally, what decided the election and that's just not a debatable point. Them's the facts, as they say.

It ain't rocket science, no matter how many faux semantics you try to pile on top to avoid your responsibility. If YOU don't support the GOP nominee, you can't blame others for the Dem nominee winning...feel free to argue that Hillary winning was your intention because you thought it best, but don't even TRY to pretend its not YOUR doing.

It is.

You dumped this vagrant on us, yet you continue to try to shame us into voting for him, all to avoid Hillary.  That means even you recognize Trump is a disaster, a garbage fire, a pitiful excuse for a presidential candidate. 

You will not dump this coprophagic cretin on #NeverTrump.  We've been telling you for eight months what would happen if you succeeded in nominating him, but you wouldn't listen.

And it is condescension such as yours that works against any effort you might make (and you've made NONE, to date) to give us a rationale other than "she's not Hillary" to vote for him. His "economic" speech amounted to nothing but mercantilism, a 50 year throwback. 

Trump thinks he can turn back a trend toward globalism, which would kill a QUADRUPLING of manufacturing in the US since NAFTA was passed in 1994.

And his goofy followers think this is progress, to raise the drawbridges and revive Smoot-Hawley-type tariffs.

That is abject stupidity, Mesaclone, and even you, deep down, know that.

[Mesaclone]

Keep choosing evil, be surprised when you get evil.  Trump Supporters.   

Your approach brought us Barack Obama...and now Hillary Clinton...as president. That is evil...tangible and making laws, appointing SCJ's, and taking away freedoms.

How's that workin' out for you...or for all of us for that matter?

[Ghost Bear]

Your approach brought us Barack Obama...and now Hillary Clinton...as president. That is evil...tangible and making laws, appointing SCJ's, and taking away freedoms.

How's that workin' out for you...or for all of us for that matter?

Nope, I voted for John McCain. So Barack Obama ain't my fault.  Must be yours.   

[Mesaclone]

Nope, I voted for John McCain. So Barack Obama ain't my fault.  Must be yours.   

Its not just about you, substantial numbers of conservatives stayed home. And he lost.

Ditto with Romney.

But by all means, lets keep losing so we can feel good about ourselves.

[Ghost Bear]

Its not just about you, substantial numbers of conservatives stayed home. And he lost.

Ditto with Romney.

But by all means, lets keep losing so we can feel good about ourselves.

By all means, keep refusing to run a Conservative candidate.  That will make sure you keep losing, which is what you really want isn't it?   

[skeeter]

Its not just about you, substantial numbers of conservatives stayed home. And he lost.

Ditto with Romney.

But by all means, lets keep losing so we can feel good about ourselves.

Hey don't tell us, tell the writer of this article:

"If the will of the GOP voters who supported Trump is thwarted, either actively or passively, by the establishment and donor class, Bill Kristol's advice to the GOP leaders will be taken to heart by GOP voters.  We will summon our courage, steel our nerve…and cut the thread – not to Trump, but instead to the GOP.  Through votes and contributions.  We may follow our consciences and find something better to do on election day than vote for betrayal, even if it means a root canal."

[roamer_1]

Incorrect, big chunks of the Dem party see Hillary as being "too conservative"..

ROTFLMAO!!! Luckily you put 'too conservative' in quotes, because no one on the planet thinks that a Clinton presidency is going to be anything other than liberal. She will undoubtedly serve up plenty enough raw meat for the Bernie supporters to be satisfied... And they know it, and they WILL vote for her.

Your statement about "start serving your base" is simply another way of saying our nominee must be from the most conservative 20% of the party....or they are unacceptable.

More baloney. Y'all never win anything unless it's Conservative. Reagan, the 94 Congress, the TEA Party Congressional/Gubernatorial/Statehouse Turnover last midterm, and da' Bushes, who claimed Texas to get in the door. 

In EVERY case, it is Conservatism that won the day, even if the candidates turned out to be otherwise. Never in my lifetime has the moderate wing, or the liberal wing won a damn thing on the national level based upon THEIR ideals... At best, all they can do is try to sell themselves as Conservatives, lying their way into office.

That is...has been...and will continue to be the formula for defeat.

Quite the other way around.

[jmyrlefuller]

Of course your vote doesn't belong to the party, and you have every right to vote as you wish...obviously. This isn't about what you CAN do or even what you will do. It is about why the Left continues to win every presidential election and the right loses...and your comments are the perfect exemplar of why that is. They rally around their nominee, despite his/her imperfections from their point of view...on the right, everyone enjoys the feeling of moral righteousness so much that they are happy to except losing....and putting in office a radically left wing leader...repeatedly...perhaps in perpetuity if that attitude continues to prevail.

So do as you will...just don't wonder why the Far Left is leading the country. They are tactically smart enough to vote for the lesser of evils...our side is to "moral" to do so. They win, every time.

If our candidate were as faithful to conservatism as Hilllary Clinton is to progressivism, we wouldn't even have this discussion. The Democratic Party has not had a candidate this far removed from the progressive ideology since Jack Kennedy. The Republicans, on the other hand, haven't had a candidate allied to conservatism as much as Clinton is to progressivism since Ronald Reagan. While the Democrats have found party loyalists to coalesce around each cycle, Republicans seem to continually find the most controversial and hated candidate among them to be their nominee.

How many more times does the GOP have to lose before people stand up and say "enough is enough?"

[INVAR]

However, if he loses because 10-20% of Republicans voted elsewhere or chose to stay home...than those who did so carry 100% of the blame for putting Hillary in the White House. THEIR votes will be, literally, what decided the election and that's just not a debatable point. Them's the facts, as they say.

If YOU don't support the GOP nominee, you can't blame others for the Dem nominee winning...feel free to argue that Hillary winning was your intention because you thought it best, but don't even TRY to pretend its not YOUR doing.

It is.

Absolute, complete, utter horse and bovine excrement you are attempting to smear in our faces.  We're not falling for that intimidation tactic any more and all it does today is infuriate us to go from personal choice to passionate activism against you and your prince presumptive.

Like typical Libtards - you target blame in advance of what you know is a failed policy/candidate and insist if we do not genuflect your prince and vote for him, then magically Hillary somehow gets a vote from us, and the blame is not upon more than half the population that will vote directly for Hillary, but the small minority of Conservatives who will not vote for Trump.

This is the same demagoguery that the Left uses when it declares that if you do not actively support Climate Change initiatives and policies that you support dirty water, polluted air and want to kill all the women and children on the planet.

Again, pure horse sh*t.

You have gone out of your way and made us your enemy and made it clear we no longer stand on a common bridge of liberty and country.  You will stand alone at the moment you find yourself in the greatest need, and know that you and yours have richly earned the consequences you have sown for yourselves.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"pushed ahead and supported him"???  The man got the most votes...by a mile.

Here's a fun fact, he also got the most votes against him... by a mile.

He got the most delegates...by a mile.

But he doesn't have the majority of the GOP supporting him.

Not even in this forum.

Who else COULD be the nominee in that circumstance? And the truth is, had Cruz somehow won you'd have the Trump supporters just as adamantly against him right now and we'd face the exact same problem of unifying the party.

There were a number of qualified candidates who would have been better able to unify the Party, and who poll after poll showed could easily beat Clinton.

Trump has never polled ahead of Clinton in any aggregate polling.

The party can't succeed when its factions take that stance...the my guy or no one stance...it is why we lose and will continue to lose. The only way to succeed...we get to argue and debate in the primary...and then we ALL rally around the nominee, even if that means choosing the lesser of evils. If you're too superior to do that...we all lose, over and over again.

I've been a Republican my entire life. A broken-glass, street-fighting (Bush-Gore recounts) Republican with a clear vision of what it means to BE a Republican.

Trump DOES NOT fit that vision. The vision shared by Reagan and others before him, so he can't be a Republican.

And please quit with the self righteous...."my vote belongs to me" garbage. We all know this. The argument isn't about what you have the right to do, its about what is the intelligent and rational course. In other words, its about what you should do...what you can do is anything you choose.

The intelligent and rational course was abandoned when a loud (and rather obnoxious) plurality of the voting population began pushing cult of personality leaders and ignored experienced, capable ones, choosing instead to follow the crass and vulgar clown who stirred their baser emotions.

Don't demand that others behave in a "intelligent and rational" manner in a country that actually seems to abhor both intelligence and rationality.

 

[Luis Gonzalez]

Its not just about you, substantial numbers of conservatives stayed home. And he lost.

Ditto with Romney.

But by all means, lets keep losing so we can feel good about ourselves.

These are not conservatives staying home.

These are hard-core Republicans refusing to vote for Trump.

[Lando Lincoln]

These are not conservatives staying home.

These are hard-core Republicans refusing to vote for Trump.

And they are the "bad" guys.

[Mesaclone]

And they are the "bad" guys.

Not bad. jUst plain foolish. Very foolish. How many unborn children die because you stay home and don't vote for the one man who can stop Hillary and her 3-4 Supreme Court appointments? There is no other individual out there who can stop her at this point...no one.

The answer to the previous question, almost certainly, is in the millions.

[Oceander]

Not bad. jUst plain foolish. Very foolish. How many unborn children die because you stay home and don't vote for the one man who can stop Hillary and her 3-4 Supreme Court appointments? There is no other individual out there who can stop her at this point...no one.

The answer to the previous question, almost certainly, is in the millions.

Donald Trump will appoint justices who are, by and large, just as liberal as the judges Clinton would appoint because Trump is a liberal (he is actually a left-of-center demagogue, eschewing the more internationalist elements of the socialism espoused by Clinton and Sanders, but nonetheless still a leftist and an authoritarian when it comes to it).

Trump lied about his wall.  Trump lied about banning all muslim immigration.  Trump lied about ....  Etc, etc, etc.  Trump is lying to you about the nature of the justices he would appoint.  It what he does when he's trying to sucker marks, I mean investors, in any negotiation, and getting the nomination is just another negotiation.

[RetBobbyMI]

Clinton, Favorable/Unfavorable (RCP Average): Favorable, 40.6%; Unfavorable, 54.9%  Source

Trump, Favorable/Unfavorable (RCP Average): Favorable, 34.1%; Unfavorable, 61.1%  Source

Simple.

With numbers like this, neither looser deserves my vote.

[truth_seeker]

The CUSTOMER is always right. If no one wants your product, no matter how swell you think it is, then the thing to do is come up with a better product.

That is exactly what a lot of Trump supporters had in mind, when bypassing the "next in line" GOP insiders (Bush, etc.) and instead - risking something else with Trump.

Trump came first. If anybody wants to assign "fault," consider a party that lacked discipline to prevent 17 candidates at the starting line.

And now at this stage AGAIN lacks discipline to unify behind the leader, warts and all.

[roamer_1]

That is exactly what a lot of Trump supporters had in mind, when bypassing the "next in line" GOP insiders (Bush, etc.) and instead - risking something else with Trump.

*FAIL*

Trump came first.

Doesn't matter. Trump is not a Conservative. He will lose. Sorry.

And now at this stage AGAIN lacks discipline to unify behind the leader, warts and all.

You are mislead about what people unify behind.

[DB]

Illogical to say the least.

Actually it doesn't matter who you decide to blame for the coming train wreck. You decided to go it alone in spite of many others telling you it was a bridge too far. There can only be one outcome short of Hillary going to prison. You and like supporters set the course. Enjoy the trip while you can...

[DB]

That is exactly what a lot of Trump supporters had in mind, when bypassing the "next in line" GOP insiders (Bush, etc.) and instead - risking something else with Trump.

Trump came first. If anybody wants to assign "fault," consider a party that lacked discipline to prevent 17 candidates at the starting line.

And now at this stage AGAIN lacks discipline to unify behind the leader, warts and all.

The GOP is dead. The party is shrinking with their nominee apparent, not growing. It's final nail was selecting Trump. I was a Republican for 36 years and voted for every nominee. When Trump becomes the official nominee I am no longer a member and bare no responsibility towards it. The election was the GOP's to lose as was the last one. By selecting a poison pill it will lose again - it was their choice.

[INVAR]

Not bad. jUst plain foolish. Very foolish.

You keep winning so many over to vote for your prince with such fine arguments as those.



That was sarcasm in case you did not catch it.

How many unborn children die because you stay home and don't vote for the one man who can stop Hillary and her 3-4 Supreme Court appointments? There is no other individual out there who can stop her at this point...no one.

The answer to the previous question, almost certainly, is in the millions.

What sophistry!!!!!! "How many children will be killed because we stay home and don't vote for the one man who can stop Hillary from killing them"???????

Tell me, when Bush and the GOP had control of both Houses and the Judiciary from 2002-2006 - how many children did they save from the death mills in this country?????

ANSWER: NONE.

This disingenuous statement of yours is beyond the pale not only give the absolute IMPOSSIBILITY of Trump doing a damn thing about abortion especially considering SCOTUS' decision today.

LAME LAME LAME and even SICKENING and sad attempt to suggest that Trump is somehow single-handedly going to save millions of children from being aborted when nothing further could be from the truth given his own past support of Planned Parenthood and support of abortion as a right.

[Hoodat]

The gopE is history, regardless of what, where, when, and how it happens.

The gopE is toast.

Not with Trump as the nominee.  Trump has made it clear that he is unwilling to lift a finger to get rid of the GOPe.

[Hoodat]

Its not just about you, substantial numbers of conservatives stayed home. And he lost.

Ditto with Romney.

So now that you have nominated a candidate who is far to the left of both Romney and McCain, how do you expect Conservatives to respond?  Seriously.

[Hoodat]

How many unborn children die because you stay home and don't vote for the one man who can stop Hillary and her 3-4 Supreme Court appointments? There is no other individual out there who can stop her at this point...no one.

If you actually gave a damn about the Supreme Court and the Constitution, then you would have been a Ted Cruz supporter.  If you actually gave a damn about unborn children being slaughtered, then you would have been a Ted Cruz supporter.

But since you support Trump, it is clear that neither one matters to you.  So stop using them as if they do.  That's what Democrats do - holding others to standards they don't believe in themselves.

Besides, there is no way in hell that anyone being pro-life could support a candidate who supports taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood.

[OldSaltUSN]

By Brian C. Joondeph
June 27, 2016

Instead, the Republican Party is hell-bent on turning its good fortune into almost certain defeat – and not just defeat, but wipe-out.  Mass casualties across the Republican ranks.
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Will Trump and his supporters sit back and say, "Oh well.  We lost" and support the Conscience Club's choice of nominee?  Who might that be?  Romney, Bush, Ryan, Rubio, Kasich?
....

Pretty much tells us where this guy is coming from, when he excludes Cruz.  No other candidate ALREADY has more GOP delegates committed and ready to vote for him, than Cruz.   What on earth makes this guy believe that the GOP delegates would be ready to vote for Bush, Kasich, or others, but not Cruz?

Well, it's because this guy believes and agrees with the "Lyin' Ted" Trump trope.  He's a Trumpkin.   Cruz as the nominee is so unthinkable, that he creates the myth that those mysterious, dastardly forces within the GOP will find some way to put Romney, Bush, McCain, or some other "very evil" man out as the GOP nominee in stead of Trump, when every poll published this far has told us GOP delegates would DEMOCRATICALLY vote for Cruz in a landslide, given the opportunity.

It's not the "GOP" who has a death wish (presumably he means "GOP Establishment").  It's the Trumpkin loyalists who will have no one other than Trump as their King, and will not regard any logic about the man's progressive history, deceitful nature, about polls that indicate 65% of the GOP isn't coming to the polls for Trump, the fact that Trump is the most underfunded GOP candidate in history, or the likelihood that Trump as the GOP candidate loses 50 states for the Presidency, and the GOP Senate as well

No, this guy is already preparing the NEW Trump meme that "the GOP did it to themselves" when Trump loses everything to Hillary, and destroys the GOP in the process.

Instead of uniting the party, consolidating support, and preparing to lead the country as a GOP President, Trump's has his legions out there covering his butt, PREPARING TO LOSE.

Trump is a lie within a fraud.   I will not vote for the Father of Lies, nor his son THE DONALD, just to keep the butcher of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton from the US Presidency.

However, I'll tell you all this:  I can be bought by Trump.

If THE DONALD, evil and deceitful as he is, contributes $1 Billion of his own funds or capital to his own campaign, another $500M (matching funds) to the GOP NRSC, another $500 (matching funds)  to the NRCC, and makes good on all of his unfunded charity pledges (chump change; about $8M), then he has my vote.  I swear it.  The only proviso I make is that the expenditures have to documented, and the money can't come back to Trump, his family, his businesses, his secret off-shore business connections, and etc..

I am so certain that Trump will not put skin into the game, that he will not match his oratory with personal or financial sacrifice, that that money means more to Trump than anyone or anything in the world, that I'm willing to offer my principles for sale, and sign onto the Trump train, with my suffrage, my funds, and my personal volunteer efforts.  However, no worry, my friends, my integrity will remain in tact, because Trump won't put $100M into his campaign, let alone anywhere the $1B necessary for the "self-funding" candidate to have a chance of winning.

To make the point even clearer, if Trump does everything I demanded above, he'll still not have by half, met the percentage of wealth that Cruz and his family sacrificed in the Cruz campaign.   Cruz's made his relatively meager resources available in support of his principles, for benefit of this country and his daughters who will live in it, while Trump has offered just a fraction of his wealth, cycled his expenditures through his own companies for profit, and then demanded the GOP repay his campaigns loans back to himself.

Again, Trump is a liar and a fraud from beginning to end, and the author of this article is simply another surrogate preparing the way for Trump to cover himself when he loses the election by horrific, historic figures.   That loss won't bother Trump a bit, either, because he'll be blaming someone else while he's laughing all the way to the bank.  He has more in common with Hillary and Obama's progressives than he has with his own so-called "conservative" supporters, that the loss won't matter to him at all.