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https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/06/26/why-george-wills-moral-narcissism-matters/?singlepage=true

Leading Excerpt defining "Moral Narcissism":
What you believe, or claim to believe or say you believe—not what you do or how you act or what the results of your actions may be—defines you as a person and makes you “good.” It is how your life will be judged by others and by yourself. In 19th-century France, the gastronome Jean Brillat-Savarin told us that “You are what you eat.” In 21st-century America, almost all of us seem to have concluded that “you are what you say you are. You are what you proclaim your values to be, irrespective of their consequences.” That is moral narcissism.

Simply fantastic article that defines the nature of the movement against the GOP nominee from establishment and the far right fringe of the party. This sense of moral superiority that overrides common sense and any semblance of practicality, is precisely what will put Hillary Clinton in the White House thus destroy conservatism for a generation...at a minimum.

The article closes with a flourish, citing George Will as one exemplar of the Moral Narcissist Syndrome.

We might call Will's class the Moral Narcissist Bourgeoisie (MNB) that resides so comfortably in Washington, irrespective of political party, dining at the best restaurants and enjoying the cultural benefits of the city while their real estate values mount into the stratosphere, only to appear in all their excellence before the great unwashed on the Sunday shows. It's a terrific life if you can have it, but because of Trump -- and even more because of Brexit -- it is under threat.

What we have on our hands is a genuine class war, but the classes don't line up as before. It's not entirely about money. It's now the elites versus the people and it's not just local, it's global. Those who choose to line up with elites might want to keep in mind the words of a man who was pretty elite himself -- William F. Buckley: "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."

But Will's okay. He went to Princeton.


The refuge argument of the Moral Narcissist...that anyone not under the thrall of moral narcissism is without morals entirely...ensures defeat in every election for Republicans as a party.MN's do this not because they want to lose but because narcissism doesn't allow for shades of grey. Black and white rule their universe in exclusivity and they are the White Knights of their own holy truth....putting all others in the category of immoral boobs and dupes.

Yes, its absurd and irrational...but then again, narcissism by nature has never been prone to coherence or realism. So within the GOP, not only must we fight globalism and its inherent evils...now we must combat the moral narcissists with their litmus tests and surety that the good must always be the enemy of the perfect. A tough fight indeed, but well worth the cost of struggle.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 10:20:26 pm »
Blindly following the lesser of two evils has worked so well for the last 8 years. Let's try it again. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.  -Attributed to Einstein. 

If the founding fathers had supported the lesser of two evils we would still be petitioning parliament for our freedom.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 10:29:09 pm »

Leading Excerpt defining "Moral Narcissism":
What you believe, or claim to believe or say you believe—not what you do or how you act or what the results of your actions may be—defines you as a person and makes you “good.” It is how your life will be judged by others and by yourself. In 19th-century France, the gastronome Jean Brillat-Savarin told us that “You are what you eat.” In 21st-century America, almost all of us seem to have concluded that “you are what you say you are. You are what you proclaim your values to be, irrespective of their consequences.” That is moral narcissism.


In other words, knowing right from wrong is now a bad thing, eh?

Pragmatist pap.

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 10:38:14 pm »
There is a horrible human being, trashier than a Kardashian, behind this movement... his name is Donald Trump!

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2016, 10:41:32 pm »
In other words, knowing right from wrong is now a bad thing, eh?

Pragmatist pap.
It's downright insulting. The author refuses to accept responsibly for the consequences America faces for having put Trump in the position he is in and now wants to saddle us with that responsibly because we refuse to support Trump.

Someone intellectual honest would admit that the difference in opinion stems from a different view of what those consequences are. Instead the concerns of the #NeverTrump folks are brushed away by the supposed horror that is another world ending democrat presidency. In effect the good intentions of Trump supporters count and the good intentions of #NeverTrump doesn't count because #NeverTrump is wrong. No reason is given why we are wrong except that we are siding with the dreaded elitist.

As if a man who owns his own 757, Skyscraper, Casinos, Golf courses, and more isn't an elitist, but a simple man of the people. This is a horrible effort on the part of the author to persuade, instead choosing simply to belittle. It fits the style of Trump very much so. No doubt it will soon be followed by a statement that we aren't needed anyways. 
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 10:42:17 pm »
Right, because electing an actual narcissist like Trump will have zero negative consequences whatsoever. Nope. A guy who associates with people who threaten whackings, who actually do grab reporters (and then deny it even when it's on tape), and will use any method necessary to increase his own power and influence, including bribing other politicians—absolutely nothing can go wrong with that. At least according to this guy.

This is how evil wins, folks—by telling good that its views are irrelevant, unachievable, and worst of all to be viewed with contempt.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 10:46:54 pm »
Just keep being offensive and insulting, Trump Supporters. I'm sure us folks on the #NeverTrump side will come around eventually.  **nononono*
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 11:00:36 pm »
It seems the Trump era redefinition of "narcissist" is someone who will not support that amoral sleaze on the basis of common decency.  Fine with me...call me whatever you want.  I'll still never support him.

I would, however, like to point out the comical irony of Trump supporters accusing others of narcissism.

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 11:02:35 pm »
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William F. Buckley: "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."

In the era in which Mr. Buckley made that oft-quoted (and abused) remark, the first four hundred
people in any telephone book were way less likely to impose upon us a choice between
the likes of Donaldus Minimus and Hilarious Rodent Clinton for the White House than would be
the first four hundred people in any phone book today.


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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 11:03:23 pm »
I would, however, like to point out the comical irony of Trump supporters accusing others of narcissism.

That's rather like Mao accusing Stalin of being a mass murderer.


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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 11:20:17 pm »
It's downright insulting.

Yeah... but it is also hilarious... The article attempts to take the high moral ground by calling morality immoral - Just try to think of the mental gymnastics one has to do to get around that one.

And furthermore, with a big-city ignorance of the difference between 'no', and 'Aw, hell, no!'... the article doesn't understand that it is not gonna change anyone's mind.

A swing, and a miss.

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 11:23:21 pm »
Really can't add anything else to the excellent comments already made except to say that there is desperation in the air, and it's not coming from #NeverTrump.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2016, 11:57:25 pm »
Really can't add anything else to the excellent comments already made except to say that there is desperation in the air, and it's not coming from #NeverTrump.
We haven't got anything left to lose and we know it. That alone makes us dangerous.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2016, 12:05:07 am »

Simply fantastic article that defines the nature of the movement against the GOP nominee from establishment and the far right fringe of the party.

Yes.  The disdain for the 'far right fringe' is so palpable among both the Hildabeast camps and the Trump camps.  It's an interesting choice of words considering that the Progressive Leftists also use the same language to describe principled Conservatives.

But have no fear.  Trump has single-handedly eliminated the 'far right fringe' from the GOP as having any relevance in your party.  He has done both Hillary and the Establishment leadership a service and given them exactly what they both wanted: an exiled bloc of Christian Conservatives that they were embarrassed to have in their party.   The very people Trump said he did not need nor want their support to win.  So rejoice. 

You got what you wanted.


This sense of moral superiority that overrides common sense and any semblance of practicality,

That's what really galls the Trump Militant, the same as it does the secular hedonists.  How DARE ANYONE abide by and live according to the principles which govern them in matters of civics and society!  It is PRACTICAL to engage in sinful behavior - because everyone else is doing it.  It is also practical to discard your principles in order to give a rabid minority what it demands in terms of a king and the things he promises.  Because to such people, it is common sense to abandon your faith, your principles and your God in order to make men your rulers and apply their dictates to your lives.

And if you dare to refuse while claiming principles do not permit you to do that which is anathema to your core - why then - you are guilty of being morally superior - which is the most grievous of sins to a people who are governed by the whims of men and self.

is precisely what will put Hillary Clinton in the White House thus destroy conservatism for a generation...at a minimum.

Trump has accomplished that already.  Nearly all by himself.  And the Trump Militant are busy redefining and resculpting Conservatism into the image of Trump whilst having paved the way for The Mao Pantsuit to her coronation.  The population at large, so disgusted with Trump, will never question the results of the sElection in November.  This is what happens in a post-Constitutional republic when it has been overthrown in a velvet coup to the cheers of a dependent population.

The refuge argument of the Moral Narcissist...that anyone not under the thrall of moral narcissism is without morals entirely...ensures defeat in every election for Republicans as a party.

Laughable and definitely demagoguery at best.  The GOP ensures it's defeat every single time it supports the Democrat agenda and supports Liberals and Leftists to the exclusion of actual Conservatives whom are ostracized and demeaned to choral chants of derision alongside Democrat brethren.

It is the fool and the liberal plant that says moral absolutists are the cause of the demise of the GOP.  The Republican party has no principles and stands for nothing but their own seats of power and influence - even if it is second string to the Left.  THEY are the ones who said they would run Jeb against the Base.  Trump followed with his own pledge that he did not need the Conservative base, nor wanted their support in order to win. 

So the Establishment, along with Trump and his hordes have successfully run out of their party - the very "moral narcissists" whom they now berate and demand cast their votes for their demagogue prince, and are affrighted at the reality that their anointed cannot "win" without overwhelming support from the very Moral Supremacists they hate and have blamed in advance for their Chosen's defeat.



Black and white rule their universe in exclusivity and they are the White Knights of their own holy truth

Which makes my entire point that you people actually HATE that which we are governed by.  That we would take the following scripture of black and white absolute at face value and live by it drives you out of your minds with rage:

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live" - Deuteronomy 30:19

Black and white absolutes such as this DO rule our universe and principles, which is what the Trump Militant and the Progressive Left cannot stand in any capacity.  How dare we reject pragmatism and live by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God and uphold the Constitution that preserves our liberties from the very government they want to install a king.

....putting all others in the category of immoral boobs and dupes.

Only people with a seared conscience assume such things.  It's the how and why so many Christian men ended up martyrs at the hands of their own people.

Yes, its absurd and irrational…

Morality and Godly principles are always seen as foolish by the men of this world.  God's ways are always regarded as absurd and irrational.  But thinking yourselves wise, you become fools.

So within the GOP, not only must we fight globalism and its inherent evils...now we must combat the moral narcissists with their litmus tests and surety that the good must always be the enemy of the perfect. A tough fight indeed, but well worth the cost of struggle.

Will there be yellow stars and boxcars going East for us in your desired utopia, void of us "moral narcissists'????

In this, I see you people as no different than the radical Marxist Left.  Certainly you behave like them.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 02:19:20 am »
Anyone condemning 'the Bourgeoisie' is already perilously close to being an outright communist.

Marx friggin' *INVENTED* the term as we know it today.

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And it's, in essence, the middle class. 

We have Trump supporters railing against what is the very foundation of America!

What's next, is *THIS* soon to be the Trump anthem?


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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2016, 02:24:27 am »
A Trump supporter criticizing anyone else for any sort of narcissism at all is ridiculous on its face.

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 03:00:57 am »
George Will isn't being narcissistic, he's being practical.   Make sure Trump loses, and live to fight another day.   That doesn't mean to disengage, just work like heck to save the Congress.

As for Trump, let'm dangle. 
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2016, 05:46:52 am »

As for Trump, let'm dangle.

Don't give him ideas please. Not after him getting a poll bump for discussing the size of his "hands."
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 06:02:01 am »
There was a time in this country that not following the herd and standing on principle was honored. If Trump supporters think labeling others as narcissists for not jumping off the cliff with them is a persuasive argument they are sorely mistaken.


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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 06:10:22 am »
https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/06/26/why-george-wills-moral-narcissism-matters/?singlepage=true

Leading Excerpt defining "Moral Narcissism":
What you believe, or claim to believe or say you believe—not what you do or how you act or what the results of your actions may be—defines you as a person and makes you “good.” It is how your life will be judged by others and by yourself. In 19th-century France, the gastronome Jean Brillat-Savarin told us that “You are what you eat.” In 21st-century America, almost all of us seem to have concluded that “you are what you say you are. You are what you proclaim your values to be, irrespective of their consequences.” That is moral narcissism.

blah blah blah

The article closes with a flourish, citing George Will as one exemplar of the Moral Narcissist Syndrome.

more blah blah blah...

But Will's okay. He went to Princeton.[/i]

UUGGGe dose of narcisistic blah...blah.. blah

Yes, its absurd and irrational...

Finally, a bit of truth.  Everything he just posted is "absurd and irrational".

Man-o-man, it's tough keeping up with the progressive/leftists as they keep redefining the English language.

Newest dictionary definition:

Moral Narcissist Syndrome:   Principled, believes in moral absolutes, maintains that there are objective, "absolute truths".   Usually associates with some form of the Judeo-Christian religious tradition.

Therapeutic Cure:  Reject the concept of absolutely truth, trade amorality and relative morality for moral principles, ignore history, and vote for Donald Trump or any other progressive. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2016, 06:40:01 am »
There was a time in this country that not following the herd and standing on principle was honored. If Trump supporters think labeling others as narcissists for not jumping off the cliff with them is a persuasive argument they are sorely mistaken.

I suspect that a large number of the most vocal Militants in the Trump movement are simply scared and frightened having hitched all their hopes and faith and dreams upon an ego-driven showman they want as their king.  They're lashing out because they are consumed with fear that if Trump doesn't "win", that they are at the mercy of Hildabeast and think they have no recourse to protect themselves.  They've convinced themselves a single man given the office of President, acting as a dictator will save the nation and preserve them.
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2016, 10:25:02 am »
There was a time in this country that not following the herd and standing on principle was honored. If Trump supporters think labeling others as narcissists for not jumping off the cliff with them is a persuasive argument they are sorely mistaken.
Precisely. I guess that 'Truth to power' stuff only works when it's a liberal spouting stuff.

I find it amusing that the lemmings at the front of the stampede are busy telling us we have nothing to stand on...
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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2016, 11:28:04 am »
We haven't got anything left to lose and we know it. That alone makes us dangerous.

Or a nuisance   :smokin:

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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2016, 01:55:35 pm »
Or a nuisance   :smokin:

Clearly more than that, or your response wouldn't be so strong.

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Re: At last, we have found what drives the NeverTrump movement!
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2016, 02:05:35 pm »
So, if having Morals and Principles makes me a narcissist, fine, I am a narcissist.

I am getting used to the name calling from the Trump crowd.

It is not the worst thing I've been called.

Not giving up my Morals and Principles, just because we have 2 candidates running for POTUS that have none.

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